Fox News Poll: 65 percent say use force to stop Iran, 84 percent call possible deal 'bad idea'

[frobert]

Fox news… I guess they are not up on current events.

We actually need Iran to fight ISIL. Looking further down the road. How do they expect us to prevent Iran from obtaining anything they want? We couldn’t prevent the Soviets, the Chinese, or possibly the North Koreans from obtaining nuclear power. How would we stop iran? War? We don’t have a lot of luck in that neck of the woods. If we do invade Iran after they defeat ISIL. How will we fund this war?

ATB

Your assessment would be right on if the PTB wanted peace. Unfortunately, the war party, aka, neo-liberals of both parties, have won. We lost the last 5 wars we started, if at first you don’t succeed try and try again. What can possibly go wrong?

 

[Path_Finder]

Rhetoric is not the equal of reality. The Reality is we can do little to prevent a nation from obtaining anything they want. Except food, and medicine it seems. It’s also reality that post WWII our military interventions have left something to be desired. So, it is not realistic to think we can use force to control a people. Except our own it seems.

Rhetoric, respectfully, I don’t know why this is brought up but I respect you for debating honestly. ISIS uses rhetoric.

Why conservative minded people still go to cable news for their information is a mystery to us all.

Oh, here we are, umm, ever hear of CNN?? ever hear of MSNBC? How about HLN? So, this seems absurd that now conservatives are singled out, let alone, that we are to trust the mainstream press? NBC with all it has been caught doing, etc. etc.

I’ll be honest, people go to a number of news sources in general, not one. One American News, OAN I think is a new news service out of San Diego.

They must realize that this news is run through filters, and edited for content. Coupling that with a somewhat rigged format makes it seem less than desirable in today’s environment. Ah… I get it.

Respectfully, this just seems to be thinking out loud.

We know that ISIL is attempting to draw the west back to their region. Could it be they plan a nuclear ambush? We know that many nuclear weapons went missing when the Soviet Union Failed. Or do they just need a powerful enemy to demonize? Lets let the Saudi’s, Turks, and Iranians find out.

ATB

In the end, if the West including the Obama are protesting to the UN and alleging Assad, Iran’s ally, is using chlorine gases and barrel bombs, this likewise, is something that the US can not support because in the same breath as ISIS, these acts are too heinous in themselves as well.

When Sunni populations are targetted, read up, the Arab coalition have many Sunnis like Jordan. They won’t put up with it.

ISIS largely is worse than Assad only because of ISIS’s frightful rhetoric.

 

[GaryTaylor]

This is why the situation is troublesome, US not invited to fight in Tikrit. Do you wonder why there could be a reason for this?? Unfortunately, for that region of the world, it might get shady and this is why we have a problem trying to be a “good guy” with American values. Of course, in the past, the USA has supported probably some unkind rulers. But we are trying to get away with this.

It’s been alleged the regime in Baghdad has likewise used “barrel bombs” that killed indiscriminately.

aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/05/iraq-army-using-barrel-bombs-fallujah-2014511134023608197.html and many other sources for those who care to be informed.

The fighting in Tikrit could be extremely brutal, anyone who bombs total neighborhoods to get at the enemy can do all kinds of things.

And in the long run, because of our allies in the coalition, it might be hard for an Assad to hang on to power.

Some top brass of Al Nusra got hit yesterday and taken out, though some say the Syrian army did it, it looks like other sources are saying we don’t know who was able to kill these top terrorists.

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31757502

In the long run, it will be troublesome for the US to ally with someone possibly using chlorine and barrel bombs.

In the long run, some sort of government will be formed of Shias and Sunnis in these countries, I don’t think Assad will be staying, perhaps he will be exiled.

I think they need to have Sunni and Shia in Iraq and mutually with tolerance That may not be possible without military intervention. Saudi Arabia see’s this differently. They believe without US intervention their country will be in civil turmoil. Further Egypt has had it with all radical el-Sisi closed 25, 000. mosques which he believed was a ground for radicals. America doesn’t need to get involved Saudia Arabia knows this. Most of the Gulf States feel no different than Israel.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Rhetoric, respectfully, I don’t know why this is brought up but I respect you for debating honestly. ISIS uses rhetoric.

Oh, here we are, umm, ever hear of CNN?? ever hear of MSNBC? How about HLN? So, this seems absurd that now conservatives are singled out, let alone, that we are to trust the mainstream press? NBC with all it has been caught doing, etc. etc.

I’ll be honest, people go to a number of news sources in general, not one. One American News, OAN I think is a new news service out of San Diego.

Respectfully, this just seems to be thinking out loud.

In the end, if the West including the Obama are protesting to the UN and alleging Assad, Iran’s ally, is using chlorine gases and barrel bombs, this likewise, is something that the US can not support because in the same breath as ISIS, these acts are too heinous in themselves as well.

When Sunni populations are targetted, read up, the Arab coalition have many Sunnis like Jordan. They won’t put up with it.

ISIS largely is worse than Assad only because of ISIS’s frightful rhetoric.

Well, if you can’t see why Rhetoric is brought up when Fox news is the topic I’m not sure what to say to you. On the news, I was reasoning that folks who may have listened to CNN, MSNBC, and some of the others have learned as we have, to find our news elsewhere. Folks who watch Fox seem to like the format. The Ah, I get it was just a small joke.

We are in an awkward position in the Syrian, and now Iraqi war. There isn’t anyone whose side we want to be on. Thats why I say let the Turks, Saudi’s, and Iranians put their boots on the ground. If they can defeat ISIL, and settle things down in that region. They will have some pretty heavy street cred going forward in this century.

ATB

 

[Path_Finder]

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The Economist, mainstream source, Feb. 21-23:

The Economist
/YouGov Poll
4. How serious a threat do you think Iran poses to the United States?
An immediate and serious threat to the U.S. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25%
A somewhat serious threat to the U.S. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41%

66%, that’s pretty bad.

Lots of details but seems to vindicate the polling. The University of Maryland came out with a poll, hence, all polls should be examined.

 

[7_Sorrows]

The only thing I can say for sure is that we have a weak president and that does not make me feel safe. And I don’t have a lot of confidence in John Kerry either. The situation in the Middle East and Iran is so complex I am not positive republicans would be doing much better.

 

[GaryTaylor]

observer.com/2015/03/saudi-arabia-jordan-and-egypt-unify-to-battle-isis-is-iran-next/

Salman and al Sisi and Abdullah need to work well together—a move to unify Arabs against the ISIS threat. There is no other option. What they do and say will have tremendous impact on the rest of the Arab world. They can convey a sense of stability—or not. They can create a sense of mission and vision and draw people away from ISIS—or they will fail and their monarchies will be in tumult.

Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Jordan all come with essential powerful and important skill sets. Saudi Arabia is the richest, Egypt is the most populous, Jordan has one of the highest adult literacy rates in the region at 97 percent.

They all have clout. The only way to defeat ISIS or to defeat Iran is if the Arabs in the neighborhood actually work together. And now. They finally see these new threats as serious challenges to their very existence—and they are now strategizing on how to confront

"Washington Institute last month, also noted Riyadh’s support for Pakistan’s nuclear program, “providing financing in return for a widely assumed understanding that, if needed, Islamabad will transfer technology or even warheads.” Wednesday Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, met with SA after the SA-Jordan meeting to discuss the alliance in the nuclear realm.

Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, complained about the Tikrit operation, saying Iran’s role there was an indication of what he called Tehran’s “hegemonic” tendencies.

The above are all on the same page with Israel in this regard.

From Iran

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: “This barbaric wolf-like and infanticidal regime of Israel which spares no crime, has no cure but to be annihilated.”

“It is unfortunate that Mr. Netanyahu now totally distorts realities of today,” Zarif said. “He even distorts his own scripture. If you read the book of Esther, you will see that it was the Iranian king who saved the Jews.

The terrorist are now quoting the OT which they believe is corrupt. Usual propaganda from Russia and Iran.

haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.645497

After Yemen ousted all western tied embassies they contacted Russia and Iran for support in further terrorist planning.

U.S., France, Turkey and Saudi Arabia were among at least a dozen countries that shut embassies

Houthis’ interim government has sent delegations to Iran in search of fuel supplies and to Russia to look for investment in energy projects, according to two senior Houthi officials.

President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi has fled to the southern port city of Aden, where he is appealing to his allies at home and abroad for financial and political support for an alternative administration. The U.S., the Sunni monarchies of the Gulf and the United Nations have sided with him.Wall Street Journal

Where and when did the problems start in Yemen???

The country’s latest political crisis began last year, when rebels of the Houthi movement, part of the Zaidi offshoot of Shiite Islam,