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A Note on Education, Faith and America by Father Corapi
In speaking with faithful Catholics all over the world for the past twenty years there is a consensus among them that the average Catholic doesn’t know much about their faith. Likewise there is an overwhelming consensus that if we did, the world would be a very different place. In the United States of America we have over sixty million Catholics. If these Catholic citizens knew their faith and then voted and lived their faith, this country would be incalculably better off. In turn, so would the entire world.
In the past few months leading up to what may prove to be the most crucial presidential election in this country’s history, it is outright frightening how many Catholics think they can vote for a pro-abortion candidate. As many of our good bishops have pointed out, under the current circumstances this is not possible. Abortion is the overridingly most important moral issue of our times, all others being important, but rendered irrelevant if the preeminent right—the right to life—is destroyed.
As Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, Oregon recently pointed out, clarifying the teaching of the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops in their excellent pastoral letter “Faithful Citizenship,” a candidate or office holder is disqualified from receiving the vote of a Catholic in good conscience if they hold a pro-abortion position. In other words pro- choice candidates under the current set of circumstances are disqualified because of their pro-death political positions. We cannot vote for them. As the Bishops of Kansas recently asserted in their excellent voter’s guide, “Catholics would ‘commit moral evil’ by voting for a candidate who supports abortion and other intrinsically evil things. Voting is a moral act, and voting for pro-choice candidates is evil in itself. One becomes a collaborator in evil by so doing. No amount of rationalization can escape this logical and moral conclusion.
There was some confusion over this based on a statement made some time ago by Pope Benedict, who was speaking in general terms, saying that for a “proportionate reason” it would be possible to vote for such candidates. However, in the concrete situation we face, with a candidate who is pro-life, this would not be possible. No amount of “other reasons” would excuse voting for a pro-choice candidate. The Church clearly teaches that life begins at conception. As Pope John Paul II stated many times, “abortion is murder.” Following logically from this, if a single abortion is murder, then 48,000,000 (the approximate number of abortions in this country since Roe v. Wade) of them is genocide. What would be the “proportionate reason” supporting such an outrage? There is none.
Lack of understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches is grossly harmful to the individual Catholic and to society in general. It is for this reason that I have always tried to promote and teach the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is a sure norm for teaching the faith, as Pope John Paul II asserted in promulgating the Catechism. “Guarding the Deposit of Faith is the mission which the Lord entrusted to His Church,” are the first words of the Apostolic Constitution “Fidei Depositum.” These are the words the Holy Father used to introduce us to the Catechism.
For this reason we are making my series “The Teaching of Jesus Christ” more and more available through television, radio, and the lowest prices ever offered for DVD and CD versions. Ignorance of the Faith can prove fatal—for individuals and for nations. Learning our faith is the best investment we can make. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the very best way to do this.
May God bless you, each one, and may God bless America in this time of national crisis,
Father John Corapi
In speaking with faithful Catholics all over the world for the past twenty years there is a consensus among them that the average Catholic doesn’t know much about their faith. Likewise there is an overwhelming consensus that if we did, the world would be a very different place. In the United States of America we have over sixty million Catholics. If these Catholic citizens knew their faith and then voted and lived their faith, this country would be incalculably better off. In turn, so would the entire world.
In the past few months leading up to what may prove to be the most crucial presidential election in this country’s history, it is outright frightening how many Catholics think they can vote for a pro-abortion candidate. As many of our good bishops have pointed out, under the current circumstances this is not possible. Abortion is the overridingly most important moral issue of our times, all others being important, but rendered irrelevant if the preeminent right—the right to life—is destroyed.
As Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, Oregon recently pointed out, clarifying the teaching of the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops in their excellent pastoral letter “Faithful Citizenship,” a candidate or office holder is disqualified from receiving the vote of a Catholic in good conscience if they hold a pro-abortion position. In other words pro- choice candidates under the current set of circumstances are disqualified because of their pro-death political positions. We cannot vote for them. As the Bishops of Kansas recently asserted in their excellent voter’s guide, “Catholics would ‘commit moral evil’ by voting for a candidate who supports abortion and other intrinsically evil things. Voting is a moral act, and voting for pro-choice candidates is evil in itself. One becomes a collaborator in evil by so doing. No amount of rationalization can escape this logical and moral conclusion.
There was some confusion over this based on a statement made some time ago by Pope Benedict, who was speaking in general terms, saying that for a “proportionate reason” it would be possible to vote for such candidates. However, in the concrete situation we face, with a candidate who is pro-life, this would not be possible. No amount of “other reasons” would excuse voting for a pro-choice candidate. The Church clearly teaches that life begins at conception. As Pope John Paul II stated many times, “abortion is murder.” Following logically from this, if a single abortion is murder, then 48,000,000 (the approximate number of abortions in this country since Roe v. Wade) of them is genocide. What would be the “proportionate reason” supporting such an outrage? There is none.
Lack of understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches is grossly harmful to the individual Catholic and to society in general. It is for this reason that I have always tried to promote and teach the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is a sure norm for teaching the faith, as Pope John Paul II asserted in promulgating the Catechism. “Guarding the Deposit of Faith is the mission which the Lord entrusted to His Church,” are the first words of the Apostolic Constitution “Fidei Depositum.” These are the words the Holy Father used to introduce us to the Catechism.
For this reason we are making my series “The Teaching of Jesus Christ” more and more available through television, radio, and the lowest prices ever offered for DVD and CD versions. Ignorance of the Faith can prove fatal—for individuals and for nations. Learning our faith is the best investment we can make. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the very best way to do this.
May God bless you, each one, and may God bless America in this time of national crisis,
Father John Corapi
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Cuddy_Duck
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Killing for pleasuer is a sin. Period. No if or buts. And I suspect the integrity of any man who indulges in bloodlust.
Spending the time the Lord sent to you in destroying his creation in such a perverse manner is not fitting for a Christian, a Catholic and certainly not a priest.
For the record: Hunting
Food and culls yes.
Pleasure (and what perversity!) no.
Would you expect a vet to take pleasure in putting a pet dog to sleep?
Would you ecpect a farmer to take pleasure in killing livestock?
So why call killing sport and take photos as trophies?
Spending the time the Lord sent to you in destroying his creation in such a perverse manner is not fitting for a Christian, a Catholic and certainly not a priest.
For the record: Hunting
Food and culls yes.
Pleasure (and what perversity!) no.
Would you expect a vet to take pleasure in putting a pet dog to sleep?
Would you ecpect a farmer to take pleasure in killing livestock?
So why call killing sport and take photos as trophies?
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dkoinzan
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This is just silly. You have no idea what the bear was used for. You have no idea about population control of bears in the area. I like animals, but they aren’t as important as people and bear hunting is not in itself a sin, but slander is.
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Cuddy_Duck
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If I didin’t know better I would say you demonstrate a lack of charity to fellow poster and his deeply helled feelings. But I know better.
Yeah I do. A photo op. After that, no I don’t. Bear burgers? Rugs? A coate for Davy Crocket? Your guess is as good as mine. I DO know that if the animal’s death served a greater good (like culling or nourishment) it should at least die in dignity and its carcass not be used as a trophy for some man’s ego.
Do you? But to repeat my earlier point but I’ll make it easier to read
if the animal’s death served a greater good (like culling or nourishment) it should at least die in dignity and its carcass not be used as a trophy for some man’s ego. Vets don’t get off on putting animals to sleep.
Is that clear?
I wasn’t talking about making a choice between the lives of men or animals. But vanity and pride are despicable and men’s desire for power over creation is despicable. Compassion for all living things is holy. As said Saint Francis.
To eat or cull no. For pleasure or sport, yes. According to the Church (see earlier posts)
And bearing false witness is. As your accusation of slander is because you are accusing me of something of which I am innocent.
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Nickkname
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I’m just making the point that hunting for sport is against the Church’s teachings. I’m not trying to judge a Priest. I said that he could be hunting bears for food or clothing - I really wouldn’t know why he’s hunting bears. If I have offended anyone by my post, I apologize.
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dkoinzan
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I do know about population control. Living in Nebraska many of us depend on animals and the control of animals for our livelihood. Leaving a bear population unchecked will end in the loss of livestock among other things. As long as the death of the bear served the betterment of humans that Catholic Church doesn’t have an issue with it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a picture of a big kill.
I will no longer side track a link for such an silly argument. Fr. John Corapi has done profoundly wonderful things for the Catholic Faith. His conversion has lead many people to the Catholic Faith. If God saw fit to take him from the street and guide him out of drug addiction to make him a priest, I don’t think it is for me to condemn him. The good Father has shown many people Jesus in the least of mankind. You may not like how he puts the message of God, but the message is completely in line with the faith. God Bless him in all his work. Many a good priest comes under attack because it does not serve the mission of Satan for them to succeed. He is always in my prayers.
I will no longer side track a link for such an silly argument. Fr. John Corapi has done profoundly wonderful things for the Catholic Faith. His conversion has lead many people to the Catholic Faith. If God saw fit to take him from the street and guide him out of drug addiction to make him a priest, I don’t think it is for me to condemn him. The good Father has shown many people Jesus in the least of mankind. You may not like how he puts the message of God, but the message is completely in line with the faith. God Bless him in all his work. Many a good priest comes under attack because it does not serve the mission of Satan for them to succeed. He is always in my prayers.
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Cuddy_Duck
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Agreed.
Apart from vanity, cruelty and lack of both animal and human dignity.
So this is up to you now? If you don’t want to comment, don’t. It’S that easy.
He has done even more for the Republicans.
Hey *Silly *I can take but Satan, No.
I would report you but I know better.
I am mad as hell with that just now an I know I have no recourse here.
What is the point?
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dkoinzan
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Fr. Corapi does not stand up for either party. He stands up for life. If the Democrat doesn’t stand for life, that isn’t Fr. Corapi’s fault.
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Shoshana
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Agreed.
Hey *Silly *I can take but Satan, No.
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His killing a bear and it sure was does legally, arguing about that is not from Satan. Although, some people see this killing a bigger deal than what it is, and unfortunately it clouds all the good Fr corapi does for them.
If he wants to take a picture with his dead bear, why not? I have seen men take pictures of many animals they have killed. As well as men who fish and get the biggest fish. You are acting like animals deserve the same dignity as men. They do not.
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Cuddy_Duck
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Even though Corapi has taken a vow of poverty, he has made many contributions to the Republican Party and to Republican candidates. According to the Center For Responsive Politics, Corapi donated $200 to the reelection campaign of George W. Bush in 2004.[3] In September of 2004, he donated another $200 to the Republican National Committee.[4] Corapi donated $900 to the presidential campaign of John McCain between May and July, 2008. Between April and June, 2008, he donated another $400 to the Republican National Committee.[5]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Corapi
The impilcation was clear.
Plenty of legal things are immoral. Next.
Pretty big deal even if it’s nothing to you.
Because it’s evil. Period. No moral relativism please.
I have seen worse. They are all sinful. That’s it.
Fish are not beasts. I hope you are not deliberately conflating.
Not at all. But that does not mean they deserve none. In fact our treatment of animals defines HUMAN DIGNITY.
Yet again, please study the Church’s teaching on this.
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redrosetea
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I would never trust wiki for a source…anyone can edit or put in anything about anyone
If the worst thing Fr Corapi ever does is to shoot a bear, I don’t think its that big of a deal
If the worst thing Fr Corapi ever does is to shoot a bear, I don’t think its that big of a deal
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redrosetea
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Taking a vow of poverty does not mean he can’t support people he thinks are good for this country
He has every right to do this…If you don’t like him that fine…giving nitpicking reasons are a bit silly
He has every right to do this…If you don’t like him that fine…giving nitpicking reasons are a bit silly
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KathleenElsie
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Boy has this thread gone off topic.
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anamchara
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For heavens sake, no! Killing a bear for nothing more than sport is different than killing a bird for food. Killing bear for sport means your doing it for the thrill, nothing more. I will also add that killing a bear for sport is not necessarily against the Catholic faith (that I know of) I just personally question a priest who does this. It’s very odd to me.I feel bad reading this, because even though I don’t kill birds anymore- I never thought it would be against the catholic faith if I took it up again. After all, I cleaned and cooked all the birds I shot.
** Is this a problem for me becoming catholic now?**
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anamchara
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Hardly character assassination when posted the catechism. I disagree. Fr. Corapi does that all on his own.
Upon reading what the poster cut and pasted for us on what the catechism has to say, I am now questioning his recreational sport even more :ehh:
Something tells me that if this was some liberal priest, many of you would be on him so fast for his sporting activities.
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Cuddy_Duck
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Hokay.
This is is from a non-partisan and non-profit multi prize-winning site (four times no less).
opensecrets.org/indivs/donor_lookup.php?name=corapi
Can anybody here tell me a better cause than these recipients?
This threads about Father Corapi is it not?:ehh:
Oh right!
Sorry this thread is about how much we all think Father Corapi is great! Gotcha.
Could you direct me to the thread in which we are allowed to disagree?
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redrosetea
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It is one thing to disagree . It is another to malign someones character
There is no reason he can’t support a political party, even if it’s one you might not like
The money he spent is piddling… to bring out what the catechism says just because he went hunting, is pathetic…have you always obeyed the catechism?,Fr Corapi has done wonderful things for God and our church
Perhaps it would be better not to jump in to say something nasty if you don’t haven anything nice to say… what does the catechism have to say about loving your neighbor?
There is no reason he can’t support a political party, even if it’s one you might not like
The money he spent is piddling… to bring out what the catechism says just because he went hunting, is pathetic…have you always obeyed the catechism?,Fr Corapi has done wonderful things for God and our church
Perhaps it would be better not to jump in to say something nasty if you don’t haven anything nice to say… what does the catechism have to say about loving your neighbor?
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NReily
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Well actually since this thread has to do with the video and article he wrote, and not what does his recreational activities and political contributions say about him, I would say this thread HAS gone off topic.Hokay.
This is is from a non-partisan and non-profit multi prize-winning site (four times no less).
opensecrets.org/indivs/donor_lookup.php?name=corapi
Can anybody here tell me a better cause than these recipients?
This threads about Father Corapi is it not?:ehh:
Oh right!
Sorry this thread is about how much we all think Father Corapi is great! Gotcha.
Could you direct me to the thread in which we are allowed to disagree?
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dkoinzan
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If Fr. Corapi were liberal, I wouldn’t even be interested in this thread. There is absolutely wrong with a priest giving money to a POLIFE candidate or party. The problem is when the priest supports the PRODEATH party or candidate. If you have taken a vow of poverty, it doesn’t mean you won’t receive money, it means you won’t keep it for yourself and that you will use it for God’s work. I believe that is exactly what the GOOD Father has done. It is sad to say there are a lot of priests that feel that religion is a private matter and are silent as millions of babies are murdered. The Catholic faith is not a private religion. We are called to spread the news and to live and tell the truth in private as well as public. If a two year old were standing in the middle of a busy intersection of a highway, I would hope we would all work to get that child out of danger. Allowing the culture of death to continue to thrive and feeding it with our silence is more dangerous that leaving a two year old in the middle of that busy intersection. We are to work to get each other to heaven and by allowing people to stay comfortable in the lie of the culture of death is leaving the two year old in the busy intersection. God is the perfect Father. A perfect Father will never allow the murder of his most innocent of creation to go unpunished. In his mercy he will correct us so that we may join him in heaven. It seems to me that Fr. Corapi is do the work of God The Father and making truth very clear. I would agree that Fr. Corapi can be very blunt with the truths of the faith, but nun the less it is the truth. You may disagree with his manner, but to disagree with the message is not to have a problem with Fr. Corapi. Your problem then is with the word of God. I don’t think it wise to tell God his word is wrong.
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