Fr. Corapi: death wish

[Lisa44]

Satan hates Father Corapi and what he has to say. … :ehh:
Satan would love to turn off Fr. Corapi.

That is the most immature thing I’ve read on this forum so far.

 

[dkoinzan]

Satan hates when anyone brings people closer to the Lord. Satan is pure hate and I don’t doubt that he hate Fr. Corapi. If that is immature, then let me be immature like the children Jesus surrounds himself with.

 

[Shoshana]

That is the most immature thing I’ve read on this forum so far.

There is nothing immature whatsoever in this statement. It is a fact. Read the Saints’ lives like Padre Pio or St John Bosco. Satan cannot stand the Truth and will try to get rid of anybody who speaks it with conviction.

Father Corapi does receive many death threats…with guns! Why? Because he speaks the Truth. We have to admit that there are many priests who tip toe through the tulips and are more concerned with being liked than preaching what is Truth. There is a hell. There is sin.

Jesus Himself was killed by Satan through his servants.

And Jesus said that those who are like Him will suffer the very same cup that He did…

And that goes for lay people also…

 

[AlegreFe]

This threads about Father Corapi is it not?:ehh:



Oh right!

Sorry this thread is about how much we all think Father Corapi is great! Gotcha.

This thread is about Father Corapi’s videos called “Death Wish” for which I have a playlist on my channel.

 

[AlegreFe]

AlegreFe;4223399:

Satan hates Father Corapi and what he has to say. … :ehh:
Satan would love to turn off Fr. Corapi.

That is the most immature thing I’ve read on this forum so far.

So you think FACTS are immature? That is not my opinion. That is the TRUTH. And if that fact is immature by your standards, then let me be immature.

 

[AlegreFe]

AlegreFe;4223399:

Satan hates Father Corapi and what he has to say. … :ehh:
Satan would love to turn off Fr. Corapi.

That is the most immature thing I’ve read on this forum so far.

Oh, and I’d like to add that people are bothered by the truth when they themselves have a hard time living in it. If you or anyone hides in darkness it is because the light of truth is too blinding for you. Come out in the light so that all your faults can be seen and Jesus can heal you from them.

Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Let me come out into the light so that I can be with You.

 

[latin_rite]

Good example of another reason I don’t like his style and many times his content. And it’s not because I want things sugar coated for heavens sake. Truth can be told without scare tactics.

Another reason I question him is that he kills bears for sport :nope::nope: honestly, I wonder about at priest who does that. :ehh:

I use to hunt for a living. And i’ve always found that people who hunt for any other reason are compensating.
But in saying that. i agree where he says the Church seems too scared to say anything…and that goes on many issues.

 

[St_Francis]

Most hunters nowadays do eat the meat. Some don’t, because they donate to food pantries.

Hunting bears is very difficult and dangerous. Not every hunt results in a bear killed. So when a person accomplishes this… they take a picture. Just like people take pictures when they catch a very large fish. Just like when the hit a home run. Whatever.

And if people didn’t hunt grizzlies, then there would be too many and they would die slowly as a result of what is for them overcrowding and consequent lack of food and other resources.

 

[GodsGadfly]

1. I don’t see Fr. Corapi’s preaching as “scare tactics” any more than the authentic teachings of any Saint.
2. To Sam–you say Fr. Corapi makes you want to slit your wrists. Why is that? I have often struggled with depression and suicidal temptations. I’ve found Fr. Corapi (and St. Ignatius of Loyola) to be the cure for depression. The first week of the Spiritual Exercises involves meditating on the reality of Hell and realizing how lucky we have it, compared to the angels. God gave them one shot. He gives us many, and we blow them over and over. And one day, it will be too late to repent.
3. To Lisa, so, you’re saying that it is impossible for this abuse victim to still love the abuser? Christians are supposed to love our enemies. Have you ever heard Fr. Corapi’s story? His father was, as he put it, a “hard man.” His mother seems to have been fairly codependent. It’s not like he was raised by some cross between Ward and June Cleaver and Louis and Zelie Martin.
4. As for the hunting thing, I don’t hunt, but I’ve often wondered if I should. I don’t see how hunting could possibly be against Catholic teaching. According to Catholic teaching, animals are objects. As recently as John XXIII’s Mater et Magistra, if not more recently, the Church has reminded us of the fact that animals are infinitely below humans on the chain of being and that they are, ultimately, things made by God for our use.

Someone used the term “overcompensating.” Masculinity needs to be expressed somehow, and activities like hunting are traditional ways of controlling the male libido. I think if we had more priests who hunted, we’d have a lot less problems in the priesthood.

In any case, the only refernce to “hunting” I can find in the Catechism pertains to “hunting down distractions” to prayer (2729).

1. Lastly, Fr. Corapi speaks blatantly about the existence of the devil, which most Catholics today would like to ignore. What’s the line from The Usual Suspects (and The X-Files) about the greatest trick Satan ever played? Refer to Satan as a real being, and you’re a kook, or you’re making a sideways insult against your interlocutor.

To deny Satan is to deny Christ: without Satan, there is no need for Christ. If Satan is a metaphor, then the Gospels are lies.

 

[Nickkname]

Hunting is not against the Church’s teaching. So long as you hunt for food or clothing, that’s fine.

Hunting for sport - which dose not include using animals for food or clothing, but only for the thrill of hunting - IS against the Church’s teachings.

Supposedly Father Corapi hunts bears for sport.

 

[Jerome42]

That is the most immature thing I’ve read on this forum so far.

I’ll go one better.

If America’s 47 million Catholic voters do not block pro-abortion candidates in this year’s election **THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY.
**

 

[Mike_Dye]

Even though Corapi has taken a vow of poverty, he has made many contributions to the Republican Party and to Republican candidates. According to the Center For Responsive Politics, Corapi donated $200 to the reelection campaign of George W. Bush in 2004.[3] In September of 2004, he donated another $200 to the Republican National Committee.[4] Corapi donated $900 to the presidential campaign of John McCain between May and July, 2008. Between April and June, 2008, he donated another $400 to the Republican National Committee.[5]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Corapi

Are you sure he took a vow of poverty, Or are you just spouting off.

 

[Mike_Dye]

Even though Corapi has taken a vow of poverty, he has made many contributions to the Republican Party and to Republican candidates. According to the Center For Responsive Politics, Corapi donated $200 to the reelection campaign of George W. Bush in 2004.[3] In September of 2004, he donated another $200 to the Republican National Committee.[4] Corapi donated $900 to the presidential campaign of John McCain between May and July, 2008. Between April and June, 2008, he donated another $400 to the Republican National Committee.[5]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Corapi

What makes you so sure that he has taken a vow of poverty? Do you have proof or are you just spouting off. I am not saying that he didn’t but you need to prove it rather than just going on and on and on. In other words put up or shut up

The impilcation was clear.

Plenty of legal things are immoral. Next.

Pretty big deal even if it’s nothing to you.

Because it’s evil. Period. No moral relativism please.

I have seen worse. They are all sinful. That’s it.

Fish are not beasts. I hope you are not deliberately conflating.

Not at all. But that does not mean they deserve none. In fact our treatment of animals defines HUMAN DIGNITY.

Yet again, please study the Church’s teaching on this.

 

[Mike_Dye]

I have to say, I don’t care for blind links. It would be very helpful to me if people would give a brief outline of what we’ll find at the other end.

I’m also not big on the whole ‘going to hell in a handbasket’ approach to either politics or religion. It depresses me and makes me feel like taking a hot bath with a bottle of brandy and a razor blade.

Yeah, there’s a lot of bad stuff out there. But every once is a while it would be nice to hear something good.

Why don’t you not click on those links…that way you will be happy because you didn’t have to waste your time viewing a link you didn’t like and we wont have to waste our time listing to you whining about it.

 

[Mike_Dye]

I watch ewtn a lot, but I turn it off when he is on.

I don’t like guys that challenge me and what I believe in either. As luck would have it he and I both believe in what the Church teaches so its not that big of a problem for me.

 

[Sam_Maloney]

Why don’t you not click on those links…that way you will be happy because you didn’t have to waste your time viewing a link you didn’t like and we wont have to waste our time listing to you whining about it.

Ah, such a tender, christian response!

Most sites forbid blind links, this one should as well.

 

[GodsGadfly]

“Hunting for sport - which dose not include using animals for food or clothing, but only for the thrill of hunting - IS against the Church’s teachings.”

Now, I think most people who hunt these days do so for food, if not clothing. I guess you’re talking about trophies and taxidermy, but still. . . .

There is “against the Church’s teachings” in that, “I prudentially intepret such-and-such an act to violate this teaching of the church.” E.g., “I prudentially believe that giving the government control over people’s health care will promote health and therefore the sanctity of life” or “I prudentially believe that giving the government control over people’s health care will take away the ability of those people to make their own decisions and therefore goes against the principle of subsidiarity.”

Then there is “against the Church’s teachings” in that, “there is an explicit teaching against this that I can document.”

I have never heard of any Catholic prohibition of hunting, for sport or otherwise, till the other night. Coincidentally, I read it here and on National Catholic Reporter, in unrelated discussions.

I looked it up. I found nothing except a few speculative articles by Catholics arguing against it. I see nothing in the wider tradition of Catholic theology that would forbid it, since, in the Great Chain of Being, animals are infinitely below humans, and their “life” is not the same as ours.

In fact, to say that the life of animals has a sanctity similar to that of humans is to detract from the special dignity of man.

So, where, specifically, can you cite for me, in the Catechism, a Council Document, an encyclical or wherever, a magisterial teaching against hunting for sport?

Or is it another of these amorphous “social teachings” that certain Catholics like to use to neutralize divorce, contraception and abortion?

 

[dkoinzan]

“Hunting for sport - which dose not include using animals for food or clothing, but only for the thrill of hunting - IS against the Church’s teachings.”

Now, I think most people who hunt these days do so for food, if not clothing. I guess you’re talking about trophies and taxidermy, but still. . . .

There is “against the Church’s teachings” in that, “I prudentially intepret such-and-such an act to violate this teaching of the church.” E.g., “I prudentially believe that giving the government control over people’s health care will promote health and therefore the sanctity of life” or “I prudentially believe that giving the government control over people’s health care will take away the ability of those people to make their own decisions and therefore goes against the principle of subsidiarity.”

Then there is “against the Church’s teachings” in that, “there is an explicit teaching against this that I can document.”

I have never heard of any Catholic prohibition of hunting, for sport or otherwise, till the other night. Coincidentally, I read it here and on National Catholic Reporter, in unrelated discussions.

I looked it up. I found nothing except a few speculative articles by Catholics arguing against it. I see nothing in the wider tradition of Catholic theology that would forbid it, since, in the Great Chain of Being, animals are infinitely below humans, and their “life” is not the same as ours.

In fact, to say that the life of animals has a sanctity similar to that of humans is to detract from the special dignity of man.

So, where, specifically, can you cite for me, in the Catechism, a Council Document, an encyclical or wherever, a magisterial teaching against hunting for sport?

Or is it another of these amorphous “social teachings” that certain Catholics like to use to neutralize divorce, contraception and abortion?

 

[Yellow_Belle]

So, where, specifically, can you cite for me, in the Catechism, a Council Document, an encyclical or wherever, a magisterial teaching against hunting for sport?

Or is it another of these amorphous “social teachings” that certain Catholics like to use to neutralize divorce, contraception and abortion?

This thread seems to have wandered very far from its original topic, but why am I surprised - this is CAF after all

I doubt if hunting for sport is against Catholic teaching per se, but I do know that the Church DID prohibit priests from hunting, maintaining that it acted against the dignity of their ministry. There is a short resumé of Church documents on it here: newadvent.org/cathen/07563c.htm

The “Corpus Juris Canonici” (C. ii, X, De cleric. venat.) says “We forbid to all servants of God hunting and expeditions through the woods with hounds; and we also forbid them to keep hawks or falcons.” digital.library.ucla.edu/canonlaw/librarian?ITEMID=CJC2_0909&SIZE=Medium

The Fourth Council of the Lateran, held under Pope Innocent III, decreed (canon xv): “We interdict hunting or hawking to all clerics, wherefore let them not presume to keep dogs and birds for this purpose”. Canon 15 fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.html

The decree of the Council of Trent is worded more mildly: “Let clerics abstain from illicit hunting and hawking” (Sess. XXIV, De reform., c. xii), which seems to imply that not all hunting is illicit, and canonists generally make a distinction declaring noisy (clamorosa) hunting unlawful but not quiet (quieta) hunting.

The Catholic Encyclopedia concludes its piece on hunting with an interesting paragraph:

Nevertheless, although the distinction between lawful and unlawful hunting is undoubtedly permissible, it is certain that a bishop can absolutely prohibit all hunting to the clerics of his diocese. This has been done by synods at Milan, Avignon, Liège, Cologne, and elsewhere. Benedict XIV (De synodo diœces., l. II, c. x) declares that such synodal decrees are not too severe, as an absolute prohibition of hunting is more conformable to the ecclesiastical law. In practice, therefore, the synodal statutes of various localities must be consulted to discover whether they allow quiet hunting or prohibit it altogether.

 

[Yellow_Belle]

So, where, specifically, can you cite for me, in the Catechism, a Council Document, an encyclical or wherever, a magisterial teaching against hunting for sport?

Or is it another of these amorphous “social teachings” that certain Catholics like to use to neutralize divorce, contraception and abortion?

This thread seems to have wandered very far from its original topic, but why am I surprised - this is CAF after all

I doubt if hunting for sport is against Catholic teaching per se, but I do know that the Church DID prohibit priests from hunting, maintaining that it acted against the dignity of their ministry. There is a short resumé of Church documents on it here: newadvent.org/cathen/07563c.htm

Or more explicitly:

The “Corpus Juris Canonici” (C. ii, X, De cleric. venat.) says “We forbid to all servants of God hunting and expeditions through the woods with hounds; and we also forbid them to keep hawks or falcons.” digital.library.ucla.edu/canonlaw/librarian?ITEMID=CJC2_0909&SIZE=Medium

The Fourth Council of the Lateran, held under Pope Innocent III, decreed (canon xv): “We interdict hunting or hawking to all clerics, wherefore let them not presume to keep dogs and birds for this purpose”. Canon 15http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.html

The decree of the Council of Trent is worded more mildly: “Let clerics abstain from illicit hunting and hawking” (Sess. XXIV, De reform., c. xii), which seems to imply that not all hunting is illicit, and canonists generally make a distinction declaring noisy (clamorosa) hunting unlawful but not quiet (quieta) hunting.

The Catholic Encyclopedia concludes its piece on hunting with an interesting paragraph:

Nevertheless, although the distinction between lawful and unlawful hunting is undoubtedly permissible, it is certain that a bishop can absolutely prohibit all hunting to the clerics of his diocese. This has been done by synods at Milan, Avignon, Liège, Cologne, and elsewhere. Benedict XIV (De synodo diœces., l. II, c. x) declares that such synodal decrees are not too severe, as an absolute prohibition of hunting is more conformable to the ecclesiastical law. In practice, therefore, the synodal statutes of various localities must be consulted to discover whether they allow quiet hunting or prohibit it altogether.