Fr. Corapi placed on Administrative Leave Following Accusations

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In Regard to Fr. Corapi making it public… sometimes the best defense is a good offensive. When a priest in my area, was falsely accused, he got a lawyer and went straight to a press conference to deny the charges.

The final investigation did clear him of any wrong-doing, but his press conference and upfront approach in dealing with it helped him when he was re-instated. An accusation, even if it is completely false and proven so, can really damage a person long term.
 
qui_est_ce said:
They are powerful enough to overcome temptation and save us. The point is, we have to submit to the prayer and graces. [BIBLEDRB]Col 1:24[/BIBLEDRB]

Remember Jesus died for “many.” He died for all, but not all will cooperate with his saving grace. Judas and Peter come to mind.

I still think what you are preaching is dangerously close to OSAS.
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Do we have any reason to doubt that Father Corapi cooperates with God’s saving grace?

Judas was probably never true to Jesus in the first place.
Peter did not receive the grace of the resurrected Christ until after the resurrection,which is why he denied Jesus.

“Once saved always saved” is the belief that we are saved for eternity when we believe in Jesus,not the Catholic doctrine of sanctifying grace or a state of grace. It is based upon a different idea of what grace is and does than what the Church teaches.
 
anthony022071 said:
Merton was not firmly rooted in the truth of Catholic doctrine in the first place. He was more interested in the monastic ideal of attaining perfect detachment and in finding God within himself than in truth. His more orthodox writings do always not ring with true faith and conviction. He accepted Catholic doctrines as tradition but not necessarily as being the fullness of truth,so he felt free to bring in Eastern traditional ideas as if they were equally true. He was inclined toward the apophatic or negative way to God,which undermines the true doctrines of the Church,which are based upon revelation and reason.
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My bad, I stand corrected. I have read some of his works, but am not as theologically astute as yourself so I didn’t pick up on this trend present in his early works.
 
Fr. Corapi was basically my RCIA instructor. When I was in RCIA the questions I were asking were too difficult for my instructor, so he had me watch a series of videos produced by him. I saw him as an amazing guy and I still do. I deeply pray none of this is true and I want to believe that none if it is. But if it is, the important thing to remember is that we are all susceptible to sin, even such amazing men of God like Fr. Corapi. Just look at what happened to David, the man after God’s own heart.

If he is guilty, I pray for repentance just as I hope people pray for me for my own sin. If it is false accusation, I pray the truth is found.

Mostly, I pray that God’s will is done.
 
anthony022071 said:
A person who is continually praying the rosary and adoring the Eucharist (which are the most powerful means for receiving grace) and preaching the gospel cannot be squandering God’s help so as to commit mortal sins. I don’t believe that Father Corapi is strong in holiness by his own power,but by the abundant spiritual help he receives from God. Abundant grace suppresses temptations to sin. It does not take only one sin to remove a person from a state of grace,unless it is a mortal sin. But if a person is in a state of grace,then for that reason he would resist any temptation to commit a mortal sin. Being in a state of grace is a permanent condition.
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I’m sorry but this does not sound like Catholic theology to me, especially about the last part that a state of grace is permanent. You answered my statement that one sin can indeed take you out of a state of grace by committing a mortal sin and if certain accusations against Fr. Corapi are verified as true then I think that would count.

ChadS
 
trials said:
My bad, I stand corrected. I have read some of his works, but am not as theologically astute as yourself so I didn’t pick up on this trend present in his early works.
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There is no reason you have to accept his opinions on Merton as true or accurate. Many people have been enriched by his writings and do not see anything contrary to the Catholic faith in his early writings.

ChadS
 
trials said:
My bad, I stand corrected. I have read some of his works, but am not as theologically astute as yourself so I didn’t pick up on this trend present in his early works.
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I haven’t read much of Merton,but what I have read of his earlier writings sounds,if you read between the lines,like someone who is not really convinced of the teachings of the Church but talks as if he were. He sounds officious when he talks about orthodox doctrine,like someone who assents to traditional doctrines because they are venerable,not necessarily because they are true. He tacitly assents to Eastern traditions as if they were just as worthy of belief,and compares them to Catholic doctrines without judging them for truth and falsehood,like a teacher of comparative religion. Certain later Catholic writers have the same relativistic attitude towards truth and doctrine.
 
ChadS said:
I’m sorry but this does not sound like Catholic theology to me, especially about the last part that a state of grace is permanent. You answered my statement that one sin can indeed take you out of a state of grace by committing a mortal sin and if certain accusations against Fr. Corapi are verified as true then I think that would count.

ChadS
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According to the article on sanctifying grace in the Catholic Encyclopedia,sanctifying grace produces a permanent condition.

newadvent.org/cathen/06701a.htm

< Before the Council of Trent, the Schoolmen seldom used the term gratia actualis, preferring auxilium speciale, motio divina, and similar designations; nor did they formally distinguish actual grace from sanctifying grace. But, in consequence of modern controversies regarding grace, it has become usual and necessary in theology to draw a sharper distinction between the transient help to act (actual grace) and the permanent state of grace (sanctifying grace). For this reason we adopt this distinction as our principle of division in our exposition of the Catholic doctrine. >

< 1. As we have seen that sanctifying grace designates a grace producing a permanent condition, it follows that it must not be confounded with a particular actual grace nor with a series of actual graces, as some ante-Tridentine theologians seem to have held. >

< Moreover, sanctifying grace as an active reality, and not a merely external relation, must be philosophically either substance or accident. Now, it is certainty not a substance which exists by itself, or apart from the soul, therefore it is a physical accident inhering in the soul, so that the soul becomes the subject in which grace inheres; but such an accident is in metaphysics called quality (qualitas, poiotes) therefore sanctifying grace may be philosophically termed a “permanent, supernatural quality of the soul”, or, as the Roman Catechism (P. II, cap. ii, de bap., n. 50) says “divina qualitas in anima inhaerens”. >
 
Nec5 said:
Opinions, by their very nature, are open to discussion. The discussion may not go anywhere, but who knows?
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Opinions are open to discussion when the one with the opinion is open to that. As I am not open to discussing my opinion publicly it is not open for discussion. Yes you can discuss it to your hearts content but if I do not join in the discussion then nothing happens.

I will entertain a discussion through PM but that is as far as I will go with this.

I am not defending Fr Corapi nor accusing him. I am not defending the religious communities actions (it is they who have acted, not the Church) nor am I accusing them.

I am waiting for the investigation complete and then I will make my judgement when I have all the information and that is provided that I we are given enough information to make any judgements.
 
I think it’s wrong to assume he is guilty of the acts which he is accused, and also wrong to assume the woman is guilty of lying for personal gain. Fairness dictates that we acknowledge that people who accuse persons in positions of authority/high social standing of sexual misconduct also run a risk of having their reputations dragged through the mud with no guarantees they will be believed.
 
ByzCath said:
Opinions are open to discussion when the one with the opinion is open to that. As I am not open to discussing my opinion publicly it is not open for discussion. Yes you can discuss it to your hearts content but if I do not join in the discussion then nothing happens.

I will entertain a discussion through PM but that is as far as I will go with this.

I am not defending Fr Corapi nor accusing him. I am not defending the religious communities actions (it is they who have acted, not the Church) nor am I accusing them.

I am waiting for the investigation complete and then I will make my judgement when I have all the information and that is provided that I we are given enough information to make any judgements.
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This is wise…
 
anthony022071 said:
A person who is continually praying the rosary and adoring the Eucharist (which are the most powerful means for receiving grace) and preaching the gospel cannot be squandering God’s help so as to commit mortal sins. I don’t believe that Father Corapi is strong in holiness by his own power,but by the abundant spiritual help he receives from God. Abundant grace suppresses temptations to sin. It does not take only one sin to remove a person from a state of grace,unless it is a mortal sin. But if a person is in a state of grace,then for that reason he would resist any temptation to commit a mortal sin. Being in a state of grace is a permanent condition.
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That’s not true. Being present at a valid Catholic sacrificial liturgy and partaking of God’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity is “the most powerful means for receiving grace.”

Further, “Being in a state of grace is a permanent condition” is not what the Catholic faith teaches. The sacrament of reconciliation absolves us of our sins but it does not eliminate our concupiscence to sin.
 
PPeterson said:
I think it’s wrong to assume he is guilty of the acts which he is accused, and also wrong to assume the woman is guilty of lying for personal gain. **Fairness **dictates that we acknowledge that people who accuse persons in positions of authority/high social standing of sexual misconduct also run a risk of having their reputations dragged through the mud with no guarantees they will be believed.
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I agree with you 100% except for the word I bolded. It should read “Justice”.

People confuse the two. Justice is not always fair.

Here is an example from Luke’
Luke 12:48:…Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more.
 
I guess in light of all this we can say one thing for sure, the truth will eventually come out of this one way or another. It’s annoying to many because we will have to wait this out. How long will it take, who knows? All we know is Fr. Corapi personally stated these claims are false. In one way, we can say we have to go by his word but in another way we have to realize that anything is possible, evening if it involves a priest lying to the public. We just won’t know the truth of this matter until more real news is posted from valid sources. Regardless of them he contributed greatly to many people learning their faith better, including myself. I admit it’s sad news. I own many of his dvd’s etc. I can’t but help it now but to feel sorrow for this guy regardless of what he did when I hear his voice coming out of my speakers. Poor sinner, indeed. I wish it never would of happened like this. Even if his priesthood is over it doesn’t mean God doesn’t love him.

I read Jimmy Akin’s thoughts on the Fr. Corapi situation posted here ncregister.com/blog/thoughts-on-the-fr.-corapi-situation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NCRegisterDailyBlog+%2540National+Catholic+Register%2541#When:12:10:53Z

He lists 4 possible scenarios:
  1. The allegations are due to a misunderstanding or misperception.
  2. The allegations are due to a delusion (i.e., mental illness).
  3. The allegations are due to a lie.
  4. The allegations are true.
In the end it appears that no matter what situation you pick all of them are sad. Sad for the victim and the accuser. There seems that there might not be any way to look at this with relief. All we can really do regardless is move on from all of this, including Fr. Corapi. I have no doubt in my mind that even if he has sinned and lied to us, he knows where the confessional is. Sure the world offers no mercy to those who fail but God is bigger than this situation and knew from all eternity this would happen. Let us try to accept this during lent and know God is truly in charge.
 
Fr. Corapi says he’s innocent. There is no reason to not believe him at this point. He said everthing was a lie. Women who hang around priests tend to be weird. It wouldn’t be surpising if a batty women on medication made this up.

There is no reason to think that Fr. Corapi would lie. He’s a very smart guy who could probably make good money no matter what. He doesn’t need this job.

What is sad is the amount of people on catholic answers who think it’s justified that EWTN and Fr. Corapi’s superiors assume he’s guilty just in case.
 
Pork_Roll said:
Fr. Corapi says he’s innocent. There is no reason to not believe him at this point. He said everthing was a lie. Women who hang around priests tend to be weird. It wouldn’t be surpising if a batty women on medication made this up.

There is no reason to think that Fr. Corapi would lie. He’s a very smart guy who could probably make good money no matter what. He doesn’t need this job.

What is sad is the amount of people on catholic answers who think it’s justified that EWTN and Fr. Corapi’s superiors assume he’s guilty just in case.
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Do you know the people in this case personally? Do you know the woman who is accusing him?

We don’t know the truth, and it is just as wrong to accuse THIS woman of being “batty” and all the other horrible things you say about her as it is to assume Fr. Corapi is guilty.
 
Pork_Roll said:
Fr. Corapi says he’s innocent. There is no reason to not believe him at this point. He said everthing was a lie. Women who hang around priests tend to be weird. It wouldn’t be surpising if a batty women on medication made this up.

There is no reason to think that Fr. Corapi would lie. He’s a very smart guy who could probably make good money no matter what. He doesn’t need this job.

What is sad is the amount of people on catholic answers who think it’s justified that EWTN and Fr. Corapi’s superiors assume he’s guilty just in case.
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Since when is the vocation of being an ordained priest a “job?” I rather doubt that SOLT would suspend his privileges as a priest (if only temporarily) if the allegations were not at least plausible at first review. Based on this suspension, EWTN did the right thing by ceasing to air his material.

I have no idea which side is telling the truth but I do think the truth will ultimately be revealed. I also won’t be surprised by the final finding, no matter who is found to be telling the truth.
 
Fr. Corapi has been placed on administrative leave and has had all of his priestly faculties removed." …In EWTN’s thirty years of existence, the Network has never knowingly aired programming featuring any priest whose priestly faculties have been suspended.

This makes more sense than a removal from active ministry being a cause for removal from EWTN, because priests who must retire at a certain age are removed from active ministry, but they don’t have their faculties suspended. And by “faculties” I assume is the ability to offer Mass publicly as well as privately.

On Sanctifying Grace, it is a permanent “quality” of the soul and not a substance which would exist of itself apart from the soul. It is a mystery as opposed to the definitions given to actual grace and the state of grace which we cannot even be sure if we are in. State of grace is different than Sanctifying Grace. And it is true that as man is made for God and wills the good and that in Him we move and have our being, any movement of man by God is made infallibly and without violence to our will. We don’t make God’s Will efficacious, which would make our salvation ultimately a work we perform by an act of our will in line with God’s.

The children of Fatima, I believe, were given Sanctifying Grace when Mary opened Her hands and the Power of God enveloped them. She said that they would go to heaven which is not in spite of their sins but due to God’s Sanctifying Grace. Since Mary said this and they had years to decades left to live, they were not to lose Sanctifying Grace, which is different than actual grace.

Just because Sanctifying Grace sounds like salvation doesn’t mean the two are absolutely the same thing, just like state of grace is different than Sanctifying Grace.
 
Ok, can someone here explain what it means by *** priestly faculties removed? ***

What can and can’t he do?

Also, I have to wonder since some in Catholic Church technically don’t trust his word on his innocence at this point, would he be allowed to receive communion? After all…he just might be guilty? Should someone be given communion if the world might possibly be shown a great public scandal? It seem obvious that he just ‘might be guilty’ by the actions being taken on him already. He publicly stated his innocence but it seems words mean very little when it comes down to trusting someone on their word alone.
 
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