Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

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cecilia97 said:
The problem, though, is that Corapi hasn’t made clear who are the sheep and who are the wolves. Are we (the faithful) the sheep? Which faithful? Catholics, all Christians, only Corapi’s “fans”?? Who are the wolves? The “world”? The forces of evil? The bishops who supposedly wish for Corapi to “lay down and die”??

And why do we need a sheepdog, when we have the Triune God, His Church, and His Bishops to shepherd us?

I just don’t understand. The sheep and the shepherd are such common symbols, I can’t imagine that Corapi would use them without knowing he would raise these questions.

I don’t like it.
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Couldn’t agree with you more. To me, if something raises more questions than it answers, something’s not right.
 
Do a google search : Anton LaVey photos

it’s rather spooky.

Surely JC is aware of AL, and their visual similarities. So, why on earth would JC want to grow a goatee, wear a black jacket, and maximize their visual look-alike features ?
 
Gotta cross-post this thread…forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=580332

I think this is a demographic that mostly doesn’t know who Fr. Corapi/The Black Sheepdog is…and they are a growing, vibrant, faithful group!

Thank you GOD for our young people!!! And for our faithful priests, deacons, Bishops and all religious!!!

👍
 
brb3 said:
I dunno …

I wouldn’t advise him ever to leave the Church and be a lone-ranger minister to the drug addicts/motorcycle crowd/prostitutes/ etc. The Joel Olstein TV Mininster types [and their followers] … can very easily be deceived and led off into major error/beliefs.

We are all made so weak and vulnerable after only several weeks apart from the Mass / Eucharist. Martin Luther could not survive apart from the Church … he went over the edge.

The Holy Bible states that only the Church [and her devoted saints] are protected from satan & hell … individuals, no matter what their past ties to Church, are not given that same guarantee.
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I was not saying that he is leaving the Church. I was saying that he does not need to attend a mass. He probably has not done so in 20 years. Why should he? He can celebrate mass. Unless you belong to a conventual community with a daily mass, you usually celebrate yourself… That’s where I was going with that comment.

Luther did not go over the edge, because he stopped going to mass. Luther never stopped going to mass. Actually, he continued to celebrate mass until his death. He did not beleive in transubstantiation, therefore, his mass was invalid. Luther went over the edge because of scrupulosity. That’s what led him into heresy, scrupples.
wisdomseeker said:
I would also say that his superiors had no business in turning public the dirty laundry in the Church. The Church is an independent institution in itself and do not need public help to sort it out its problems. this is just more scandal for the Church. it seems to be a habit now and days for clericals to run to the ungodly world for help. Coursed is the man who seeks the council of the ungodly.

I don’t know about you all but as for me I sense that more and more leaders of the House of God acting with the mind of the ungodly world instead of seeking the council of God.
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What are you talking about?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
I was not saying that he is leaving the Church. I was saying that he does not need to attend a mass. He probably has not done so in 20 years. Why should he? He can celebrate mass. Unless you belong to a conventual community with a daily mass, you usually celebrate yourself… That’s where I was going with that comment.

Luther did not go over the edge, because he stopped going to mass. Luther never stopped going to mass. Actually, he continued to celebrate mass until his death. He did not beleive in transubstantiation, therefore, his mass was invalid. Luther went over the edge because of scrupulosity. That’s what led him into heresy, scrupples.

What are you talking about?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Brother,
I find your comment about Luther very interesting. Where can I find more information it? I didn’t know Luther was scrupulous.
 
Originally Posted by cecilia97
The problem, though, is that Corapi hasn’t made clear who are the sheep and who are the wolves. Are we (the faithful) the sheep? Which faithful? Catholics, all Christians, only Corapi’s “fans”?? Who are the wolves? The “world”? The forces of evil? The bishops who supposedly wish for Corapi to “lay down and die”??
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And why do we need a sheepdog, when we have the Triune God, His Church, and His Bishops to shepherd us?
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I just don’t understand. The sheep and the shepherd are such common symbols, I can’t imagine that Corapi would use them without knowing he would raise these questions.
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I don’t like it.
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In this analogy, the sheepdog is the protector, which would be him.
The sheep would be the helpless flock of lost believers that he is trying to shepherd to Jesus Christ (I hope!).
The wolves would be Satan and his minions, I assume (or those who would harm the sheep).

The logic does not scare me, as I have heard it many times.

The root of the analogy is to show the sheepdog as the protector / hero.

The ‘Black’ spin is the first time that I have heard it, but Corapi explains it as him being the ‘black sheep’.

I guess that is matches his Harley-Davidson persona!

J Heath
 
J_Heath said:
In this analogy, the sheepdog is the protector, which would be him.
The sheep would be the helpless flock of lost believers that he is trying to shepherd to Jesus Christ (I hope!).
The wolves would be Satan and his minions, I assume (or those who would harm the sheep).

The logic does not scare me, as I have heard it many times.

The root of the analogy is to show the sheepdog as the protector / hero.

The ‘Black’ spin is the first time that I have heard it, but Corapi explains it as him being the ‘black sheep’.

I guess that is matches his Harley-Davidson persona!

J Heath
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It takes a lot of assuming to come to those conclusions, however. Corapi has never made this clear. We could make an alternate set of assumptions:

sheep: the flock
wolves: the so-called “liberal” bishops or the bishops who are involved in the scandal

Why does a priest need to be the “sheepdog”/hero/protector in this metaphor? Why isn’t the Pope or Jesus Christ the sheepdog? Where is the shepherd in all this?

And what does this idea give us that is lacking in what we can already get from our parish priests and bishops?
 
sub_rosa said:
Brother,
I find your comment about Luther very interesting. Where can I find more information it? I didn’t know Luther was scrupulous.
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Read his biography. He was incredibly scrupulous. That’s how he ends up pulling himself into a self-created corner that even the Lutherans don’t follow. He was so afraid of sin, that if it was not in the bible, he didn’t believe it. Obviously, that left out many parts of the faith, since so much was handed down by the Fathers and not by the Gospels. His biography reads like the record of a man who was very distraught. He was a genius and a good man, but he had such scrupples that he began to mistrust everyone. It was easy to do, because there was so much corruption around him. His tendency was to examine everything against scripture. That will certainly narrow your understanding of the faith.

Scrupples + curruption + absence of trust = loss of direction = heresy.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
*I wonder what Corapi’s Mother would say if she were alive!!!

We are witnessing the unfolding of very sinister behaviour by an ordained priest. Jesus did say that the tares are to be left until the harvest as it could corrupt the wheat. But in this case…

I believe Corapi is not doing himself and the Church any favours. He is doing damage. If any of his followers leave the Church then it is because they were never really in the Church but fans and followers of Corapi.

God protect us from this man.
Cinette
 
Someone on the Fr. Corapi facebook page said that Kathleen Corapi is very ill and cannot return calls. Assuming that’s his mother?
 
sojo said:
Someone on the Fr. Corapi facebook page said that Kathleen Corapi is very ill and cannot return calls. Assuming that’s his mother?
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If so, why would anyone be so inconsiderate or presumptuous as to insert himself or herself into Mrs. Corapi’s life? No stranger has the right to invade her privacy. She shouldn’t even be called, let alone be expected to “return calls.” !

:tsktsk:
 
Did he make a vow of poverty? He says he did- even after the SOLT 1994 constitutional changes. Fr. Corapi: “I’m a religious with a vow of poverty, and the richest man in the world,” he said. “I exchanged what seems to be everything for nothing, and ended up losing nothing and getting everything. It was a pretty good exchange.” (Syracuse Herald-Journal, Friday, Dec. 2,1994, pg. E5 “Road to Priesthood detoured in Hollywood”.)
 
sub_rosa said:
Brother,
I find your comment about Luther very interesting. Where can I find more information it? I didn’t know Luther was scrupulous.
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The online Catholic Encyclopedia has a brief biography here: Martin Luther.

The relevant section starts: “This condition of morbidity finally developed into formal scrupulosity. Infractions of the rules, breaches of discipline, distorted ascetic practices followed in quick succession and with increasing gravity…”
 
TheRealJuliane said:
I was only recently made aware of this statement about his “Mother” wearing combat boots. I found it troubling and rather irreverent. Unorthodox, at the very least. Cavalier and without regard for Mary’s sacredness, at the most. Maybe treading into blasphemous.
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No, no… I heard him say this and it was not irreverant at all. Before all this blew up nobody ever questioned his devotion to the Blessed Mother. It was all quite orthodox, and as I remember, he usually said this as a closing after an exhortation to the faithful to be the Church Militant, to pray the Rosary (he also used to talk about Padre Pio saying to bring him his “weapon”), and to remember that we are in a spiritual battle.
 
GraceSofia said:
I was going to stop reading these theads on Corapi, but stuff just keeps coming.😦 🤷

Apparently SOLT Needed Money to Settle Substantial Abuse Claim Against Another Priest
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This was actually discussed earlier in the thread. My response to it, particularly the blog you linked to, would be that if Father indeed feels that this is the case, he should appeal immediately to Rome as is his right to do. He can easily place his assets in a trust while his case is being adjudicated and still comply with his order to return to SOLT.
 
jwinch2 said:
This was actually discussed earlier in the thread. My response to it, particularly the blog you linked to, would be that if Father indeed feels that this is the case, he should appeal immediately to Rome as is his right to do. He can easily place his assets in a trust while his case is being adjudicated and still comply with his order to return to SOLT.
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Ah, sorry. I am trying to read the whole thread, but must have missed that.
I will see if I can delete my post, not to cause a rehash.

Ah. Although it SAYS I edited it, it wouldn’t let me delete it. 😦
 
Just like life itself, the real truth is somewhere between the 2 sides.

We will probably never really know the truth on this…

I think that effort and energy needs to be expended elsewhere, on more important things.

I have enough of my *own *sins to worry about!

I do not want to add gossiping and rumor-mongering to them!

Heading for higher ground…

J Heath
 
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