Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

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A couple of weeks ago, I went on one of the FB pages, his blend together and some “sane” posters were trying to get others to question some things but to no avail, it’s like a cult. What bothered me though was the “Hugs/kisses” Night, night" type of stuff directed to him and when someone said it seemed sexual, a woman got angry.
That actually made me feel more queasy than anything I’ve read here and he of course wont converse with them. He will be giving them a good pre-sale deal on his CD’s soon though. :rolleyes:

I don’t know who runs that site, but “lilking” SOLT and one young man was weird also. I am afraid of virus’s so that time will be it.
 
Thanks very much. It’s a puzzlement, the whole situation. I suppose what bothers me most is the elimination of all mention of Mary, when she was directly responsible (according to his story) for him attaining “success” with the faithful, and also Corapi’s silence in general is bothersome. He can see he has strong fans, and these people are standing by him. Seems so selfish he remains [for the most part] mute.
The paradox (or one of them, anyway) is that the less he talks about Mary, the more his followers do. They’re filling up The Black SheepDog Facebook page with links to online rosaries, Marian apparitions (Akita, Garabandal, Medj, etc.), litanies, pictures, Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, etc. It will be very interesting if and when his new “wider” audience wanders over there and sees all this Marian devotion, not to mention prayers to free thousands from purgatory, and so on. If he thought he was leaving that behind with his switch to the new identity, he may need to rethink.
 
Do you think they notice the absence but want to make it look like the devotion is still there?
 
Yup, I have to admit that I saw a lot of sexual tension over there and the good morning Father and Good Night Father is really creepy. I’m not sure they really notice the absence of their star. I saw one woman who took exception to someone’s suggestion of other priests to listen to (in addition to, not negating the BSD)… she said something like she already had “her” mountain to climb or some such.

As for the heavy Marion and Catholic references of the fans, its going to be hard for him to attract the non-denomination crowd - its rather over the top even for us Catholics, but maybe that’s just me.

Do you really think there might be viruses on that site?
 
You always have to be careful. I got a virus once when I was on a newspaper site and commented about an article on abortion. Sometimes when people are extreme, it attracts others to retaliate. We narrowed it down but couldn’t be 100%sure.
I’m sure it’s probably fine, although FB has had virus’s, Don’t hit on links that seem suspicious, things like that and always update your virus protection.

It’s more a bad feeling in my gut that makes me avoid it, I can’t explain it, but I listen to it.
 
Thanks Debraran! I don’t discount those feelings either as I am a wee bit fey myself (runs on the maternal side of my family).

I never post on the BSD website, but I do take a peek now and then to see what’s happening. I’ll steer clear of the links, for sure and make sure my various anti-virus thingies are updated.

Have you checked out the photo gallery on the BSD FB site? It goes on and on and if you scroll over the pics, some have messages to the BSD himself. Its not just a battle of words, but a battle of pics! I’ve never seen anything like it, but then I’m really new to the whole FB thing.
 
It was turning a bit weird yesterday with folks, even Catholics, defending the total correctness of a possible affiliation with the protestant Skull Church. It seems the lack of the Eucharist was just no big deal to some who posted with pictures of Mary and claims of being devout Catholics. I hesitated to post here about that as it may have been a temporary “thing” that would dissolve. And its all speculation as we have no idea what the BSD really has to do with the Skull Church at this point.

I noticed that some regular fans were mostly posting on his old website for Fr. Corapi, and the old facebook page for Fr. Corapi, rather than on the Black SheepDog pages. Since the two old pages (with all the Marian references and lovely religious pics) went down for good yesterday, I figured there might be a clash as these folks had to finally stop following the BSD online or switch to the new, darker and distinctly non-Catholic flavored sites.
What is the Skull Church?
 
I’m not exactly where I’m going with this post, but in my multi-year search that eventually drew me into the Church, I can point to three specific sources from which I drew a substantial amount of information: (1) The Journey Home Program, (2) Fr. Corapi programs, and (3) Mother Angelica’s live program. I am just deeply saddened by the whole turn of events as I’m sure many others are also. I think I feel, regardless of the fact that I really don’t have any such “right”, some form of betrayal. I guess all we can do is pray for everyone involved.
 
What is the Skull Church?
A non-denominational church aimed at the young, goth, rocker, biker crowd. One of the young men affiliated with this church is now working for Fr. Corapi, managing his media biz and possibly running his website. Both the Skull Church and the BSD website have the same dark imagery. His name is mentioned earlier in thread.

Since the BSD/Fr. Corapi mentioned he was expanding his audience beyond the regular Catholic audience, we are wondering if this might be one of the directions he is going (non-denom, protestant audience).

google Skull Church (there’s several websites, facebook and twitter… you’ll get the idea).
 
When revisiting this issue, we must be very careful to remember that there were many factors here. Four were very powerful.

Fear:

Fear of scandal, fear of attacks, fear of the superior above you, you name it, fear is a very powerful force. It can certainly be behind some very poor judgment calls.

Bad information:

I’m old. I remember being in graduate school in the 1970s and learning that certain sexual behaviors were mental illnesses that could be cured. This was the advice that was given to many bishops and religious superiors. Many of the transfers were at the suggestion of therapists. Other times, therapists swore that the person was cured and discharged from therapy.

Laws that didn’t work:

Canon law, like American Civil Law, said that you were innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, you could not take someone out of circulation until you had the proof. This involved investigations, trials and professional consultations with the same people who said that these men were in theraphy and were doing fine or were on their way to receovery. The law said that you could not suspend or dismiss, if this was the case.

Poor management skills:

We have to admit that bishops and superiors messed up. Management skills have never been a job requirement to be a bishop or a superior. It’s against moral law and theology to make such a requirement. You hope that superiors and bishops surround themselves with people who are talented managers and will advise them well. I believe that this happening and we’re seeing a decrees in the number of events today, compared to the number prior to 1980.

I understand the human element. However, if I’m at a place where Father X holds moe authority in my mind that a prelate of the Church, then I have not made it yet. I have quite a ways to go. Obviously, I don’t understand the chain of command and I don’t understand the grace of office. There are two sides that have to be worked on, the attachment and the lack of understanding.

I guess it can be like an addiction. 🤷

You and I both pray for the same thing. :yup:

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I add that until the '90s child abuse was not a matter of of great importance to the public, to the politcians, and certainly not to the police. Teachers and preachers in my neck of the woods were let off the hook, allow to leave town so as not to embarrass anyone. The old saying that hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue tells a lot. In those days, the standards were still pretty high. Ironically, to day, when sexual standards has been pretty diluted, the irony is that the sexual abuse of a child is practically the only sexual crime that gets people all worked up.
 
A non-denominational church aimed at the young, goth, rocker, biker crowd. One of the young men affiliated with this church is now working for Fr. Corapi, managing his media biz and possibly running his website. Both the Skull Church and the BSD website have the same dark imagery. His name is mentioned earlier in thread.

Since the BSD/Fr. Corapi mentioned he was expanding his audience beyond the regular Catholic audience, we are wondering if this might be one of the directions he is going (non-denom, protestant audience).

google Skull Church (there’s several websites, facebook and twitter… you’ll get the idea).
Thanks for responding. Makes sense I guess because the Skull Church is in Montana. I assumed John Corapi just wanted to pursue a shock-talk radio program.
 
Thanks. I saw where some people were referencing it, but couldn’t find the actual hymn. They were talking about our Facebook page, Crying for Corapi, and they said the page made them ill, we were vindictive, and they referred to the administrator as a “priest-hater.” Then one commenter said:

[name redacted] “Those NOT walking in a spirit that is Holy are crying for Corapi. Those walking in the Holy Spirit are rejoicing and moving onward with Corapi.”
That is sad, Netty. I saw nothing hateful on the Facebook page, just prayers for him.

I’ve seen the FightingIrishThomas get attacked for pointing out the disobedience even though it was just vigilant takes on par with Father Joe’s critiques, more or less. It is good that Shoshana and others caution others to draw the line on certain judgments, since priests have a unique vocation and graces. But I don’t know why Fr. Corapi’s actions are exceptional that one would be called a priest hater for praying for his repentance?? When possibly these people freely criticize the bad bishops on Corapi’s page if they are “liberals” or the bad liberal priests connected to the Democrat party at Notre Dame. If Luther was a priest, surely it is not out of bounds to question his behavior. Even with the St. Francis Assisi anecdote kissing the hands, St. Francis still rebuked the priest, the story isn’t that St. Francis condoned his sin, he was able to cut the sinful priest to the heart, and got him to repent by his gentle Rebuke. Given bsd’s comment referring to the haters as not knowing any better essentially this Proverb may apply to both Corapi’s reception of his critics, as well as his pro-bsd, supporters

Proverbs 9:8
Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you.
Seems to me that the priest that had his hands kissed by St. Francis, was wise enough to recognize his sins…
His facebook page (the BSD one) is now starting to get some scary stuff on it.
People are starting to write in church hymns, changing the lyrics to serve Corapi instead of God.
Weird! Who knows if that is for real, or his site is now having some form of astroturf??

Sounds too crazy for me to believe that Catholic fans of his would go that far.
It was turning a bit weird yesterday with folks, even Catholics, defending the total correctness of a possible affiliation with the protestant Skull Church. It seems the lack of the Eucharist was just no big deal to some who posted with pictures of Mary and claims of being devout Catholics. I hesitated to post here about that as it may have been a temporary “thing” that would dissolve. And its all speculation as we have no idea what the BSD really has to do with the Skull Church at this point.

I noticed that some regular fans were mostly posting on his old website for Fr. Corapi, and the old facebook page for Fr. Corapi, rather than on the Black SheepDog pages. Since the two old pages (with all the Marian references and lovely religious pics) went down for good yesterday, I figured there might be a clash as these folks had to finally stop following the BSD online or switch to the new, darker and distinctly non-Catholic flavored sites.
I agree
Sojo,

I 'm not sure if it was you mentioning how Corapi’s fame/notoriety, isn’t as far reaching outside of EWTN watchers, amongst the Catholic/Christian population generally from your own experience during the scandal. But this is a factor with skull church information. I know no one in my Catholic family , and Catholic friends from my parish know him. Only one of my siblings knows OF him, and when I mentioned his leaving the priesthood, he never even heard about it and wasn’t scandalized as he didn’t know him enough to affected by experience outside of the sadness of having a priest in scandal. If Corapi, does have plans and does have a connection to a guy at Skull Church. It doesn’t seem that farfetched that they would try to use him, to attract more to that congregation or whatever as well as whatever marketing schemes. 🤷 I guess one has to keep their guard up with his future plans.

You gals, Nette, Sojo, J Katherine et al, also mentioned Luther being apt, as well as some offchute happening. The one thing about Luther, compared to Corapi, is Luther had German Vassals situation going on and German financial politics aiding him as a pawn to undermine the Church’s influence. As well as the printing press at a time when it was new to exacerbate matters. The disobedience to superiors is where the comparisons stop. Corapi is not a theologian, and he also himself insisted he was just a good preacher, he also relied on his conversion story so much for his DVD appeal. How does that work out now that that inspiring repentance is gone?
In light of how Corapi is not as well known as he & his fans MAY think he is, with all this savvy businessman stuff.
Corapi might just go the way of Fr. Cutie, while not formally rejecting Catholicism he’s becoming a protestant speaker by default. That his former fans and remaining ones are fighting amongst each other can’t be too good for his business prospects as he has plenty of watchdogs now; I think Corapi’s possibly prideful self-centered actions in continuing with a public ministry of some sort deceive him & whoever is helping him to run the bsd page.
Thanks for responding. Makes sense I guess because the Skull Church is in Montana. I assumed John Corapi just wanted to pursue a shock-talk radio program.
We’d be safer if he did that, but not really. While in disobedience he shouldn’t be teaching anything publicly. Given his background and hypocrisy lurking, how can he call anyone out? Let alone with matters Church related.
 
The paradox (or one of them, anyway) is that the less he talks about Mary, the more his followers do. They’re filling up The Black SheepDog Facebook page with links to online rosaries, Marian apparitions (Akita, Garabandal, Medj, etc.), litanies, pictures, Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, etc. It will be very interesting if and when his new “wider” audience wanders over there and sees all this Marian devotion, not to mention prayers to free thousands from purgatory, and so on. If he thought he was leaving that behind with his switch to the new identity, he may need to rethink.
It’s really heartbreaking what you say; I’ve noticed that too. His followers are going to fall hard when the truth becomes more clear, and BSD’s made it quite obvious, to many of us anyway, this truth (JC’s direction) doesn’t include Mary.

FWIW, yesterday, we received the following commentary:
I truly believe a group of occult practicioners [sic] put a curse on Fr. Euteneuer. The same group put a curse on me in 2006. And no, I am not off my rocker!
May God deliver and heal all involved in this matter.
God bless us all.
I do not believe this person is “off their rocker,” and this is of concern regarding Fr. Corapi too, as there is a connection between the two men. Corapi being FTE’s spiritual advisor for a “spell,” and Euteneuer using Corapi for the foreword of his exorcism book, and FTE being the “back-up band” for Corapi’s HUGE talk last year in Cincinnati.

fightingirishthomas.com/2011/03/greatest-of-falls-was-corapi-complicit.html
 
Another odd thing I saw when I looked was a post by someone, a guy who was more logical at the moment, was complaining Mr. Corapi didn’t post ever, and a woman said He does on occasion, but he deletes it quickly for obvious reasons. I’m not quite sure what “obvious” was but if she means he didn’t want anyone to write him or try to friend him, then don’t use that media. As a good salesman he will keep up the tension and build them up until he has something to offer.

I told my husband, a very logical police/detective, it’s sad how many people will part with their money to things that really don’t help anyone and he said, “A fool and his money are soon parted”, worry about your own. He’s right…if anyone thinks helping abortion is done by buying his tapes/cds’ or if they want to further support his retirement (and he’s made more money already than most of us) then that is their business, don’t know why it bothered me, it’s not mine.

I’ve been trying to send EWTN a bit more, Sisters for Life and Good Councel Homes, but until my 3 are out of college, it wont be as much as I’d like. 😉 Then it will feel like I got a raise!
 
Another odd thing I saw when I looked was a post by someone, a guy who was more logical at the moment, was complaining Mr. Corapi didn’t post ever, and a woman said He does on occasion, but he deletes it quickly for obvious reasons…As a good salesman he will keep up the tension and build them up until he has something to offer.
Yes, it’s code speak or something; we (on the outside) just don’t “get” it. You quickly post, then quickly erase “for obvious reasons” of course. Adds tension as you say. I noticed many of the ardent “fans” have been to Corapi “concerts.” Maybe he worked some sort of “kali-spell” on them as attendees and they became like robots for their man, er, dog.

Crying for Corapi.
 
A lot people may not know but there was a “hidden” message that Fr. Corapi put on under the guise of his new radio button icon on his website back in late April shortly after this all started. It was audio letting the public know that he was still here and that the Church takes its time on figuring out things and to hang in there etc. For some reason though…he quickly had it removed about 1 day later, only the fans would’ve noticed this.

I don’t know what to think about this. So far from what I can see, it’s just not the same Fr. Corapi that I knew. I actually have been accepting the fact that perhaps I never really knew him at all to begin with. Sure the stories felt close to home and I was able to relate but looking back on it now it’s not so. He sure did talk alot of good though and with a force. But not listening to SOLT has been the turn off for me honestly. I find it ironic that he drew the line in the sand by not answering any other questions on the mysterious case. Perhaps he will tell all in his new autobiography…in fact I’m willing to bet that will be mentioned by him as a marketing strategy when it gets closer to release date. Wait and see…
 
I thought I read that he has taped recoded evidence that will prove his accuser has no credibility. Did anyone else read this? If he has it then why isn’t he revealing it?
 
If he pursues the court case and we dont’ know if he is, that would be very bad advise and then she can defend herself, something she hasn’t done yet.
 
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