Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

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It’s really funny/ironic. The best thing he could do is to slip into obscurity and just be quiet.

Unfortunately, that’s the one thing he can’t do, because he makes his money by being a celebutant like Kim Kardashian et al. Yes, he has books and CDs, but his “product” is John Corapi. So, we are going to have to endure this very public fall from grace for some time.

So, when the autobiography comes out, would buying it just support this nonsense? Should good Catholics boycott his books and CDs?
 
By placing Fr. Corapi on suspension, SOLT has answered your question: at present and until further notice, Fr. Corapi is not supposed to be participating in any of the activities that an active priest is good standing would be participating in/leading, which would include everything you listed above.
Yes.

It’s that simple.
It’s that clear-cut.

Thank you.
 
By placing Fr. Corapi on suspension, SOLT has answered your question: at present and until further notice, Fr. Corapi is not supposed to be participating in any of the activities that an active priest is good standing would be participating in/leading, which would include everything you listed above.
I am not certain that is accurate.
Bold emphasis mine:
Can. 1722 At any stage of the process, in order to prevent scandal, protect the freedom of the witnesses and safeguard the course of justice, the Ordinary can, after consulting the promotor of justice and summoning the accused person to appear, prohibit the accused from the exercise of the sacred ministry or of some ecclesiastical office and position, or impose or forbid residence in a certain place or territory, or even prohibit public participation in the blessed Eucharist. If, however, the reason ceases, all these restrictions are to be revoked; they cease by virtue of the law itself as soon as the penal process ceases.
To me, this does not imply that all of the things we discussed must happen but rather that it is, to a large extent, open to the discretion of the legitimate authority which has removed the faculties in the first place.
 
I am not certain that is accurate.

To me, this does not imply that all of the things we discussed must happen but rather that it is, to a large extent, open to the discretion of the legitimate authority which has removed the faculties in the first place.
At this point, I can’t see SOLT granting him authority to preach, or any other bishop granting him permission to do so.

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Sorry. Didn’t realize you are part of a group called “we.”
I was simply referring to the back and forth quotation which was going on between a couple of people within this thread regarding the specific question of whether or not being removed of his faculties meant he could not celebrate the sacraments publicly and could not also teach or preach; OR, whether or not there were variance in how that law can be applied on the part of his superior. For example, is SOLT saying that he is not fit to celebrate the sacraments publicly or that is also not fit to preach the faith or teach it in any way.
SOLT is doing what Canon Law directs.
SOLT is acting within the law.
Fr. C, refusing to return to community, is acting in opposition to the law.
I agree 100%.
As far as offering the Mass, it’s likely he might still be allowed to do so in private.
All standing regarding his offering of the Sacraments in public is forbidden.
That is my understanding as well. However, that does not necessarily mean he cannot teach or preach without celebrating the sacraments, which is what some have been curious about.
 
What we were discussing in that instance was the intent of the SOLT’s statement as far as what they meant by him not being fit for ministry, not Canon law.
In the letter released by SOLT on July 5, SOLT declared John Corapi unfit for ministry at the end of the brief, right after listing the specific improper activities that their investigation determined Fr. Corapi was participating in. In other words, in light of those revelations, SOLT finds him unfit for ministry. SOLT then goes on to re-state its prior orders to Fr. Corapi, and to once again based on the revelations of their investigation, make it clear to the Faithful that he is unfit for priestly ministry:

"SOLT has contemporaneously with the issuance of this press release directed Fr. John Corapi, under obedience, to return home to the Society’s regional office and take up residence there. It has also ordered him, again under obedience, to dismiss the lawsuit he has filed against his accuser.

SOLT’s prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues. Catholics should understand that SOLT does not consider Fr. John Corapi as fit for ministry."
 
At this point, I can’t see SOLT granting him authority to preach, or any other bishop granting him permission to do so.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but since the statement by SOLT does not address specifics in this regard and the quotation of Canon law seems to suggest that there are varying ways in which this law can be applied, it is not a settled question. Since the direction Father Corapi seems to be going is one where he will not celebrate the sacraments but plans to continue teaching and preaching, this issue become particularly relevant. As such, the lack of clarity on the part of SOLT combined with the apparent flexibility in the law becomes problematic in that it allows Father Corapi to claim he is still acting "within’ the Church even though he is still teaching and preaching. It also creates confusion for those who are following him.
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly, but since the statement by SOLT does not address specifics in this regard and the quotation of Canon law seems to suggest that there are varying ways in which this law can be applied, it is not a settled question. Since the direction Father Corapi seems to be going is one where he will not celebrate the sacraments but plans to continue teaching and preaching, this issue become particularly relevant. As such, the lack of clarity on the part of SOLT combined with the apparent flexibility in the law becomes problematic in that it allows Father Corapi to claim he is still acting "within’ the Church even though he is still teaching and preaching. It also creates confusion for those who are following him.
I agree with that. I think, in the mean time, the best thing is to ignore him, or to listen to him the way we listen to a Protestant pastor.
 
SOLT’s prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues.
Did they say in previous statements that he was not to provide any sort of public ministry to include preaching and teaching? If so, that would certainly seem to clear things up a bit. It has been a while since I read the previous statements so I cannot recall for sure.
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly, but since the statement by SOLT does not address specifics in this regard .
Yes, it does. The press release on July 5 states:

“SOLT’s prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues. Catholics should understand that SOLT does not consider Fr. John Corapi as fit for ministry.”
 
Did they say in previous statements that he was not to provide any sort of public ministry to include preaching and teaching? If so, that would certainly seem to clear things up a bit. It has been a while since I read the previous statements so I cannot recall for sure.
Yes, they did. When the scandal first broke and he was put on suspension, he was given this same directive. Unfortunately, he has chosen to disregard it.

I know that as the “paper trail” grows, it is becoming more confusing for everyone, and it’s a shame it has to be this way. But I think SOLT and the local bishop have made it pretty clear that Fr. Corapi should not be preaching/teaching, etc., either as “Fr. Corapi” or as “The Black SheepDog”.
 
Yes, it does. The press release on July 5 states:

“SOLT’s prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues. Catholics should understand that SOLT does not consider Fr. John Corapi as fit for ministry.”
Ah, excellent. Thanks for running that down. 👍

With that in mind, it becomes very hard for him to claim with anything approaching legitimacy, that he is not leaving the Church if he is violating those orders along with those to return to his community.

I’m surprised that I didn’t catch that one. I think I was too blown away by the listing of transgressions in the statement. 😊
 
Ah, excellent. Thanks for running that down. 👍

With that in mind, it becomes very hard for him to claim with anything approaching legitimacy, that he is not leaving the Church if he is violating those orders along with those to return to his community.

I’m surprised that I didn’t catch that one. I think I was too blown away by the listing of transgressions in the statement. 😊
Yet his own site, fathercorapi.com, still stands as if he is free of Church authority.
How many clues doe anyone need in regard to Fr. C’s terminal disobedience?
 
Ah, excellent. Thanks for running that down. 👍

With that in mind, it becomes very hard for him to claim with anything approaching legitimacy, that he is not leaving the Church if he is violating those orders along with those to return to his community.

I’m surprised that I didn’t catch that one. I think I was too blown away by the listing of transgressions in the statement. 😊
Obvious point and the reason that I quoted Canon Law:
SOLT is acting in full accord with Canon Law.
Fr. C is acting in defiance of Canon Law.

Yes, it’s a terribly sad situation.
 
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Should we continue to use Fr. John Corapi’s material?
Is there anything in Fr. Corapi’s old material, say 2010 and back, that anyone would find non-conforming to Catholic doctrine? Especially the Catechism series. These materials helped me form my faith and return to the Church, along with Catholic Answers of course! I don’t know, but I feel really “awkward” thinking about watching or listening to those old programs now.
Re: Should we continue to use Fr. John Corapi’s material?
Fr. John Corapi’s religious society, the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT), issued a press release on July 5, 2011, about its investigation into allegations lodged against Fr. Corapi. The statement concluded:
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SOLT’s prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues. Catholics should understand that SOLT does not consider Fr. John Corapi as fit for ministry.
The statement did not include any negative judgment about Fr. Corapi’s products, so whether or not Catholics choose to continue to use them is a matter for prudential judgment.

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I refuse to join in the shameful verbal destruction of a human being which I read on the internet, including on this forum. All the rank speculation about his supposedly being deranged, in the arms of the devil, all of the amateurish “insider knowledge” about whether he is drug-addicted, suicidal, etc. is both useless and highly un-Christian, i.m.o.

That said, I want to limit myself in this post merely to the thread’s subject: this recent video, and legitimate response to those images and audio. While none of this is “evidence” or even an indicator of his state of soul, let alone his guilt or non-guilt about the allegations brought, it is i.m.o. fair to discuss impressions which he himself initiates and communicates.

I.m.o. it was appropriate for him not to be in a collar, but it was bad taste to be wearing a Harley Davidson leather jacket. It makes him appear as a ‘pop figure,’ something that would appear on some truly shallow secular TV show (i.e., daytime talk shows with the latest ‘guru’ of this or that – take your pick, “religion,” “relationships,” etc.). Disclaimer: I never watch those shows; I hear about them after the fact and see clips, and am incredulous that people actually waste 30-60 minutes of their day watching this. So why would he want to place himself in such a superficial category? I was also disappointed in the (yes) dyed beard. Several years ago in his lectures I thought he struck the perfect median note: Not the Rip Van Winkle look of early Corapi, but the modern respectful look with his clerics, undyed eyebrows/beard, and clipped, groomed appearance. I thought he looked really sharp with that well-groomed, undyed look of his.

Yesterday’s change in appearance does not signify any devolution into the grips of Satan, for heaven’s sake. It has nothing to do with his state of soul. It just, to me, struck an ‘off’ note. That was coupled with the use of the royal “we,” which made him sound like a spokesperson for a corporation. That was coupled (or tripled) also with the rambling references to social networking, which sounded as if he was trying to be “relevant” (hip), rather than himself following the advice he was giving us: Follow the Church. Hey, the Church uses twitter & facebook, too, but The Message is not ‘social networking.’ I found nothing specifically Christ-centered in his video of yesterday.

Further, I found nothing specific at all in the video. Indeed, I was disappointed that he seemed to indicate obliquely that he would probably not be addressing the concerns most people have about the allegations, except for “one or two” comments about that. Most faithful Catholics do not want him to slide over those and “move on.” We want those addressed, head on. And if he has legitimate reason for not addressing those, he needs to say that, even broadly: such as, ‘None of the allegations listed by my order are true,’ or *‘I am guilty of one (or 2) of those to a minor degree but have been told by my lawyer not to discuss details of my involvement ahead of any civil proceedings.’ * Or, ‘This is what I am guilty of, and this alone, and I am sorry, have repented, and hope to be returning to my Order after civil proceedings.’

If he wants all of those who have appreciated his preaching to ‘just follow the Church,’ then it will be helpful to know where he himself stands in relation to charges of impropriety, regardless of his, plus a bishop’s, plus his lawyer’s advice not to submit to a procedure which he was told would not fully air both the allegations and his rebuttal of those, if he has legitimate truthful rebuttal.

I do not share the rage and condemnation on this forum about his refusal to “come home” to his Order, given the way that they have so far handled this – that is IF he is not guilty of those charges, and only if that. That is why it is important, i.m.o., for him to respond directly to all the charges, publicly, OR to explain why he is not responding to some of them.
 
I refuse to join in the shameful verbal destruction of a human being

I do not share the rage and condemnation on this forum
I’m sorry, but I don’t see shameful verbal destruction of a human being, rage or condemnation going on at this forum. Maybe it is other places on the internet, but I don’t see it going on here. The mods have been really, really watchful of ALL of the threads having to do with Fr. Corapi. If anything seems even slightly to hint of the kinds of things you mention, the mods intervene, FAST. It may be that you do not agree with how others view the situation as it is unfolding, but in my reading of CAF - and I have read all of the threads on this topic - 99% of the participants are being genuine, sincere, and charitable in their treatment of both Fr. Corapi and their fellow posters…
 
John Corapi, AKA The Black Sheepdog, has been told by his order not to preach or teach. He seems to be thumbing his nose at this command, and “going secular” in order to continue to access the followers he has developed over the years. But he is in rebellion and disobedience for continuing in any capacity.

As another poster asked, whose authority is he now working under? Is he on his own, a rogue or renegade, not connected to his order or the Church? After all, he told his followers to follow Jesus but he said nothing about HIS need for Jesus or the Church. I think he implies that he is being expelled but he expelled himself.

He is equating submission and obedience as to “crawl under a rock and die.” So he is going “Rebel Without a Cause,” wearing his leathers, looking for all the world like he’s going to ride out on his Harley being accompanied by his “black sheepdog” image.

I’ve been following the YouTube comments and there are almost none that are positive. I get the impression that by doing this video, he has finally gone too far for even some of his supporters to go with him. So I am glad he finally “came out into the open” and stopped hiding by recording only audio messages. Many of the comments are saying things like, “Who are you? Where is Fr. Corapi?”
 
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