Fr. Corapi Responds to Some of His Order's Charges

[dans0622]

Why can’t an ordination be annulled if there’s evidence that one canonical condition making one ineligible to the priesthood was present in the candidate’s life, in the same way a marriage can be annulled?. …

Hello Robertanthony,

An ordination can be declared invalid but only if it has been proven that there was a defect in the form or matter. For example, there can be a defect either in the intention of the minister (the Bishop actively intending to not ordain, even though he is going through the motions) or the candidate (intending to not be ordained, even though he is going through the motions). If there is a case of insanity and it is proven that the man was a capable of intending to be ordained but never had such an intention and is now insane, he can not be validly ordained. This sort of thing doesn’t happen often, obviously.

Dan

 

[guanophore]

It’s really funny/ironic. The best thing he could do is to slip into obscurity and just be quiet.

Unfortunately, that’s the one thing he can’t do, because he makes his money by being a celebutant like Kim Kardashian et al. Yes, he has books and CDs, but his “product” is John Corapi. So, we are going to have to endure this very public fall from grace for some time.

Actually, it is worse than selling himself. His product is the Gospel, which is clearly stated in his lawsuit.

jimmyakin.typepad.com/RedactedCharge.pdf

 

[guanophore]

I was simply referring to the back and forth quotation which was going on between a couple of people within this thread regarding the specific question of whether or not being removed of his faculties meant he could not celebrate the sacraments publicly and could not also teach or preach; OR, whether or not there were variance in how that law can be applied on the part of his superior. For example, is SOLT saying that he is not fit to celebrate the sacraments publicly or that is also not fit to preach the faith or teach it in any way.

I agree 100%.

That is my understanding as well. However, that does not necessarily mean he cannot teach or preach without celebrating the sacraments, which is what some have been curious about.

His ministry was teaching and preaching, primarily. He has been on administrative leave since Ash Wed., which means he cannot engage in any public activity related to his ministry as a priest, including public celebrations of the sacraments, preaching and teaching. A priest must have faculties (authorized permission) to minister. His have been suspended.

 

[guanophore]

It is abundantly evident on other threads. I have already said that I refuse to repeat the inappropriate idle speculation that not only I noticed, but several other posters. Because repeating uncharitable remarks reinforces them. I am not speaking of merely expressions of sadness, concern, anxiety,etc., but character assassination, raw speculation, claims to have personal knowledge of his mental state, his spiritual state, etc. All of this is beyond inappropriate. I will not participate further in propagating by means of repetition.

Peace. I have spoken my own peace on the issue of the video alone, and described what I thought was and was not fair to discuss. On other threads what was not fair to discuss was usually dominating. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. If you are convinced that nothing on CAF has been said that is uncharitable and beyond the pale, you are entitled to believe that. I do not.

I think you are being disingenuous, Elizabeth. You have been asked to point out where you see the problem, and you are refusing. You don’t have to repeat anything, all you need to do is give the post number, or better, use the little red reporting triangle on the top right of the post, and send your complaint to the mods.

It seems that you are not able or willing to back up your “observations” with the facts or evidence.

 

[Arkadin]

Having seen the video, I have one thing to say: The Fonz!

“Aaayyyyy!!!”

Someone mentioned the last six seconds in the video and his expression. I felt really sad seeing his expression. Pity, almost. However, whoever did the editing consciously left that in there.

 

[guanophore]

I finally watch the video. He desperately need an “Intervention” by his family and close friends. Painful…

Maybe we should take up a collection to buy plane tickets to Montana for this crew?

 

[guanophore]

from Legatus magazine, 1 June, 2010:

It occurs to me that Fr Corapi was ill-served by SOLT’s founder, Fr Flannagan who gave him permission to live away from the community and found his own corporation and did not hold him to his vow (promise?) of poverty.
The temptations of success, wealth and fame can turn anyone’s head, perhaps more so someone w/Fr Corapi’s pre-conversion history. Perhaps if SOLT had kept him closer to home he might not have become a superstar but this tragedy might have been avoided.

I don’t think this is a fair judgment, because when Corapi joined, they had no property or community living. All the members of the society lived in private residences and supported their own ministries (at least, those in the Corpus Cristi chapter. We don’t know if Flannigan urged him to move in when they did get a “motherhouse”. We know the community has been doing that for years, and Corapi was non-compliant. Perhaps they erred in being too generous and permissive with him because his ministry was so powerful and successful?

I am sure they are wishing now that they had, and that is one reason they are now strongly directing him to come home. One blog I read said they have evidence for a long time before this that could have warranted a suspension. Perhaps if they had done that, the whole thing may not have come to this point?

 

[catharina]

Clarifying: some of these are from another thread, but there were also 2 or 3 comments on this thread that there have been no violations against charity anywhere on the forum. The above is merely a sampling, hardly exhaustive.

Elizabeth, I have no problem with your call to moderation of word and actions.
I am very surprised that anyone would seek to judge you when you are seeking PEACE.

I’ve never known you to derail any thread, intentionally or otherwise.
I can’t imagine that you would begin to do so now.

Peace to you. God bless you.

 

[JRRTFAN]

I would think that even his staunchest supporters might draw in their breath at that statement. He’s been at his zenith in the last 10 years, hasn’t he? He’s brought a lot of people back to and to the Church - so now it was “very difficult?” I’d be rather insulted and hurt by that, if I had been one of his supporters. He implied that he was not having a good time doing what he was doing, yes?

Go to YOUTUBE and search for “Corapi Pacwa” there is a full length show from last year where guesting Fr., Mr, BSD, Dog, before he changed his persona. Watching it in light of recent developments, look at his furtive eye movements and statements.

 

[Ahimsa]

Go to YOUTUBE and search for “Corapi Pacwa” there is a full length show from last year where guesting Fr., Mr, BSD, Dog, before he changed his persona. Watching it in light of recent developments, look at his furtive eye movements and statements.

This here?

 

[PaulinVA]

Originally Posted by PaulinVA forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
It’s really funny/ironic. The best thing he could do is to slip into obscurity and just be quiet.

Unfortunately, that’s the one thing he can’t do, because he makes his money by being a celebutant like Kim Kardashian et al. Yes, he has books and CDs, but his “product” is John Corapi. So, we are going to have to endure this very public fall from grace for some time.

Actually, it is worse than selling himself. His product is the Gospel, which is clearly stated in his lawsuit.

Yes, but what I am saying is that it’s always been “FR JOHN CORAPI preaches the Gospel” He is the headiner, not Jesus.

It’s good that he is a powerful speaker and is in control, but a little humility would go a long way.

I always assumed that he was supporting SOLT with the video sales and speaking engagements. When I found out he had a corporation holding/selling his IP, warning bells went off. When he said that he couldn’t get a fair hearing in the Church, that basically announced his end game - in his early sixties, ready for retirement, he’s taking his 7 figure net worth and is cutting ties to SOLT.

 

[Teelynn]

Go to YOUTUBE and search for “Corapi Pacwa” there is a full length show from last year where guesting Fr., Mr, BSD, Dog, before he changed his persona. Watching it in light of recent developments, look at his furtive eye movements and statements.

Sorry, I don’t see anything unusual about his “eye movement” nor his speech. I don’t know how or why he has changed his persona and frankly neither do you.

 

[jwinch2]

Originally Posted by PaulinVA
Unfortunately, that’s the one thing he can’t do, because he makes his money by being a celebutant like Kim Kardashian et al. Yes, he has books and CDs, but his “product” is John Corapi. So, we are going to have to endure this very public fall from grace for some time.

Please be careful in how you express such things on this thread. You are 100% entitled to your feelings of course but I don’t want to see the thread closed because of loose comments.

Thanks and God Bless!

Jason

 

[PaulinVA]

Please be careful in how you express such things on this thread. You are 100% entitled to your feelings of course but I don’t want to see the thread closed because of loose comments.

Thanks and God Bless!

Jason

I’m not trying to insult. I don’t want to cross the line.

 

[Marie5890]

Go to YOUTUBE and search for “Corapi Pacwa” there is a full length show from last year where guesting Fr., Mr, BSD, Dog, before he changed his persona. Watching it in light of recent developments, look at his furtive eye movements and statements.

Can’t say I understand what you are talking about w/ his eyes, but I will say this after watching the video and in light of his saying he is now BS-Dog unleashed.

He may have felt like the priesthood, or whatever it is, was suffocating him and that he was having to restrain himself in someway.

Im not articulating myself very well at the moment, but in his discussion with Fr Mitch he kept saying something to the effect “I sympathize with leadership, but only to a point” or some variation of that.

Perhaps he was trying his best to be charitable while being truthful and just felt like a phoney when all he really wanted to do was to go off. Or something.

I think something within Fr John Corapi has been brewing sometime and it’s probably not just “something” but “somethings”. It’s probably far more complex than we even image and he may not even be able to articulate it well at this point.

I think the “symptoms” of deeper issues for him have been seen for sometime, and finally have just exploded.

He seems to be fighting against something, maybe including himself. Perhaps he has been fighting within himself for a very long time.

He may be trying to figure out exactly “who” and “what” does it mean for John Corapi to be authentically himself. ?

I pray for him. That kind of journey is a very confusing, very troubled, full of anger and bitterness kind of journey. At least it was for me. I came out of it, he can too.

 

[jwinch2]

I’m not trying to insult. I don’t want to cross the line.

I understand 100% which is why I spoke to you rather than reporting your post. Throwing things out there like Kim Kardashian as compared to Father Corapi is likely to bug someone so I figured I just say something.

This situation is tough all around and there are many emotions running high because of it.

Take care and God Bless!

 

[jwinch2]

Perhaps he was trying his best to be charitable while being truthful and just felt like a phoney when all he really wanted to do was to go off. Or something.

This is an interesting point. Its so hard to be cautious and not lose it when you feel that losing it is exactly what the situation warrants isn’t it? I had not looked at his video in that light.

 

[Marie5890]

This is an interesting point. Its so hard to be cautious and not lose it when you feel that losing it is exactly what the situation warrants isn’t it? I had not looked at his video in that light.

Yes, it is. At least for me. Sometimes it can be so hard to be kind, charitable while being truthful when all I want to do is show why someone’s thought processes are lacking in critical thinking skills and they are caught up into an emotional, passionate whirlwind.

I keep trying to focus on finding a better way of articulating my frustrations. And I often fail. Miserably and big time.

 

[Catholic_Press]

More…

 

[valient_Lucy]

One thing which crossed my mind a while ago is the following and please understand that I am not attempting to judge here, I am simply concerned for Father C’s soul as well as those of his supporters.

My understanding of his orders of obedience to his superior upon his professor to SOLT as well as during his ordination are such that if he is guilty of disobedience, he is under pain of mortal sin. Is that accurate?

If so, it would imply that all of the people encouraging him to continue his disobedience are in in fact encouraging someone to commit mortal sin providing the know what it is that they are doing.

Am I wrong on that?

I second this, because this is what I understood as well. Where’s ByzCath and JR Education when you need them?!