Fr. Cutie to Become an Episcopal Priest

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GKC said:
It’s a phrase used to referer to “ordaining” females. It does not connote approval.

BTW, to you, and all my other friends and acquaintances, I may be about to disappear from here. My new computer system, which I have been using to post here, suddenly, yesterday, started to refuse to find the forums. I can get to the Catholic Answers site, but not into the forums, no matter what approach I take. I’m posting this from a wonky, dial up computer I still have running, which will be shut down in two weeks. If I can’t figure out why my new computer says “Cannot Connect to Server” every time I try to get here, then I’m going to become as scarce as an orthodox Episcopalian.

If so, farewell to all my friends and acquaintances here, and God speed.

GKC
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Oh no way, brother! You are NOT leaving! LOL…You are one of the people I always faithfully read on here. You have a lot of class, you’re a learned and very articulate student of history, you keep a cool head, and you make a lot of sense. If every Anglican searched for the truth and studied theology at your level, they’d be a force to be reckoned with.

I hope you stay in this forum, GKC, your posts are a joy to follow. Your leaving would be a real loss to CAF for sure.

Stay on!!👍 ANd for goodness sake, get DSL, not dialup! lol
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Absolutely not. Only Deacons can be married. Much different than priests.
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That’s simply not true. Married ministers of other denominations who convert to Catholicism may apply for ordination. While it is not a ‘right’, it is often granted. We have a married priest with young children in our diocese. It’s a little unusual, but certainly not unheard of.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Oh no way, brother! You are NOT leaving! LOL…You are one of the people I always faithfully read on here. You have a lot of class, you’re a learned and very articulate student of history, you keep a cool head, and you make a lot of sense. If every Anglican searched for the truth and studied theology at your level, they’d be a force to be reckoned with.

I hope you stay in this forum, GKC, your posts are a joy to follow. Your leaving would be a real loss to CAF for sure.

Stay on!!👍 ANd for goodness sake, get DSL, not dialup! lol
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To say you are very kind makes “understatement” an understatement. But, you are very kind.

The new system, the one at the other house, that has been working fine since Feb, but that doesn’t let me find the forums anymore, is high speed wireless. I see now that the problem is a technical (that is, incomprehensible) one, related to something that was changed by this site a couple of days ago. I have enlisted my SIL computer expert, who is only 1800 miles away, and gotten some directions. We shall see. I shall do my best.

And there are things here I would miss too.

Thank you.

GKC
 
Hmmm. Now the system works.

No idea why.

I’ll stick around for awhile.

GKC
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
What are you talking about? Priests cannot be married. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are deceiving you.
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Okay, first of all, yes, the celibate priesthood is the norm in the Latin Rite. However, married men are the norm in several other Rites, especially the Ukranian Rite. They are priests, they are married men, and they are in full communion with the Pope.

Secondly, for pastoral reasons, some adult converts from Protestantism who are already married men (typically men who have been Lutheran or Anglican priests) enter the Latin Rite priesthood, as well. This isn’t very common, but it happens from time to time.
 
jmcrae said:
Okay, first of all, yes, the celibate priesthood is the norm in the Latin Rite. However, married men are the norm in several other Rites, especially the Ukranian Rite. They are priests, they are married men, and they are in full communion with the Pope.

Secondly, for pastoral reasons, some adult converts from Protestantism who are already married men (typically men who have been Lutheran or Anglican priests) enter the Latin Rite priesthood, as well. This isn’t very common, but it happens from time to time.
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No, that is a false accusation here. Your information is incorrect. Research it again.
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
No, that is a false accusation here. Your information is incorrect. Research it again.
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No, my information is absolutely correct. You are the one who needs to do more research.

Look up the entries under index item “priesthood” in the Universal Catechism, to start with, and then also talk to your priest in person about this. You will find it confirmed that married men in the Eastern Rites can become priests, and under special pastoral circumstances, married men converting from other denominations also can become Latin Rite priests.
 
jmcrae said:
No, my information is absolutely correct. You are the one who needs to do more research.

Look up the entries under index item “priesthood” in the Universal Catechism, to start with, and then also talk to your priest in person about this. You will find it confirmed that married men in the Eastern Rites can become priests, and under special pastoral circumstances, married men converting from other denominations also can become Latin Rite priests.
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As, in the Anglican Use, which is a Use under the Latin Rite, under the Pastoral Provision.

GKC
 
GKC said:
As I thought. Valid, but illicit.

GKC
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Yep.

Just to be clear, tho’, as explained in that statement, if Catholics attend a Mass conducted by him, it would not fullfil their obligation to attend Mass.

I realize that Anglicans believe they have a valid eucharist, but as Catholics we don’t believe anyone outside of the Catholic church as the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
 
GodIsGracious said:
I realize that Anglicans believe they have a valid eucharist, but as Catholics we don’t believe anyone outside of the Catholic church as the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
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the bolded is wrong. We do believe the Eastern Orthodox Communion, the Oriental Orthodox Communion, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Polish National Catholic Church, the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox, and a few other groups to have valid sacraments.

It is in fact even in Canon Law that they do!
 
Aramis said:
the bolded is wrong. We do believe the Eastern Orthodox Communion, the Oriental Orthodox Communion, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Polish National Catholic Church, the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox, and a few other groups to have valid sacraments.

It is in fact even in Canon Law that they do!
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Ok, I stand corrected on this. 👍

Wouldn’t they, however, be considered part of the universal catholic church?

I’ve learned (maybe incorrectly) that even though Protestants consider themselves part of the “universal catholic church,” they aren’t really since they are not in communion with Rome. Are these churches you listed in communion with Rome? I’m not entirely clear on that.
 
GodIsGracious said:
Yep.

Just to be clear, tho’, as explained in that statement, if Catholics attend a Mass conducted by him, it would not fullfil their obligation to attend Mass.

I realize that Anglicans believe they have a valid eucharist, but as Catholics we don’t believe anyone outside of the Catholic church as the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
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Yep,

Bread and wine before, during and after the service.
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
What are you talking about? Priests cannot be married. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are deceiving you.
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jmcrae said:
Okay, first of all, yes, the celibate priesthood is the norm in the Latin Rite. However, married men are the norm in several other Rites, especially the Ukranian Rite. They are priests, they are married men, and they are in full communion with the Pope.

Secondly, for pastoral reasons, some adult converts from Protestantism who are already married men (typically men who have been Lutheran or Anglican priests) enter the Latin Rite priesthood, as well. This isn’t very common, but it happens from time to time.
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OneTrueCathApos said:
No, that is a false accusation here. Your information is incorrect. Research it again.
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CCEO, the Code of Canons for Eastern Churches promulgated by His Holiness Pope John Paul II of blessed memory…

Canon 373 - Clerical celibacy chosen for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and suited to the priesthood is to be greatly esteemed everywhere, as supported by the tradition of the whole Church; likewise, the hallowed practice of married clerics in the primitive Church and in the tradition of the Eastern Churches throughout the ages is to be held in honor.

Canon 374 - Clerics, celibate or married, are to excel in the virtue of chastity; it is for the particular law to establish suitable means for pursuing this end.

Canon 375 -* In leading family life and in educating children married clergy are to show an outstanding example to other Christian faithful.*

Married men of the Byzantine-Slavonic rite.

Priesthood and Marriage in the church Maronite article…

The Eastern Tradition of a Married Priesthood, by Dr A. Dragani [doc]

Married man to be ordained in the RC…
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
What are you talking about? Priests cannot be married. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are deceiving you.
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jmcrae said:
Okay, first of all, yes, the celibate priesthood is the norm in the Latin Rite. However, married men are the norm in several other Rites, especially the Ukranian Rite. They are priests, they are married men, and they are in full communion with the Pope.

Secondly, for pastoral reasons, some adult converts from Protestantism who are already married men (typically men who have been Lutheran or Anglican priests) enter the Latin Rite priesthood, as well. This isn’t very common, but it happens from time to time.
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OneTrueCathApos said:
No, that is a false accusation here. Your information is incorrect. Research it again.
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CCEO, the Code of Canons for Eastern Churches promulgated by His Holiness Pope John Paul II of blessed memory…

Canon 373 - Clerical celibacy chosen for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and suited to the priesthood is to be greatly esteemed everywhere, as supported by the tradition of the whole Church; likewise, the hallowed practice of married clerics in the primitive Church and in the tradition of the Eastern Churches throughout the ages is to be held in honor.

Canon 374 - Clerics, celibate or married, are to excel in the virtue of chastity; it is for the particular law to establish suitable means for pursuing this end.

Canon 375 -* In leading family life and in educating children married clergy are to show an outstanding example to other Christian faithful.*

Married men of the Byzantine-Slavonic rite.

Priesthood and Marriage in the church Maronite article…

The Eastern Tradition of a Married Priesthood, by Dr A. Dragani [doc]

Married man to be ordained in the RC…
 
Tomster said:
Yep,

Bread and wine before, during and after the service.
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Yes, we have heard this opinion about 500 times. Do you think we don’t know what you believe? We do I assure you. We believe otherwise was you can assume. Blessings.
 
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