Fr. Francis Mary Stone takes leave of absence to discern vocation

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Remember, it will be rebroadcast at 1AM tonight…and again tomorrow early afternoon. .(Didn’t want to stay up this late, but will have trouble sleeping tonight after this great sad shock anyway, I suspect!!)
So how did Fr. Anthony announce this? Did he just read out a letter or something? Both Fr. Mark and Fr. Anthony looked very shaken and upset. I was trying to find the realvideo of this episode in the archieve section of the EWTN web site but either its just not up yet or maybe they dont want to put it up, at least the part concerning Fr Francis anyway.

Its a big shock. None of us saw this coming!
 
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False tolerance? Again I have to go back to what Jesus said here. Love one another.

Loving one another means to be tolerent and understanding of each other. To foregive them no matter what and to pray for them.
Even while dying on the cross Jesus said “Forgive them for they know not what they do”.

If you people in this thread claim to be yor typical Catholic and I’m quiting my RCIA training and going else where.

I’ve heard Fr. Francis himself say Hate the sin and love the sinner.

Most of what I see here in this post are a bunch of untolerant, self rightous, Cathechism book thumpers.

In fact you guys have are pretty much convince me to jump ship and go over to the Lutherans. Your way of thinking here in these post is exactly why I see people leaving the church in drones. Your way of thinking is exactly why thousand of innocent people were killed in the crusades and burned at the stake.

Maybe Martian Luther was right after all.

The bottomline for me here is this.

I forgive Fr Francis for whatever he may have done wrong. That forgiveness would even include MURDER for that is what God and Jesus both of taugh me by example in the bible. That forgivenss would include him putting down his collar. I stand fast when I say maybe God has another propuse for Fr Franics (see this link and the answer from Byzcath)

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=2916875#post2916875
See my other post for more examples.

I have learned alot from EWTN and from watching Fr. Francis. He was and still is one of the reasons why I decided to go back to church and get confirmed. I feel sorry for the man and I will pray for him.

You guys can condem Fr. Francis and ridicule him all you like. I will not.

But if you people here are your typical Catholic than I’m going elsewhere to find the REAL teachings of Christ. I know damm well Jesus would never ever agree with what many of you stated above.

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Show me one place where anyone condemned HIM. Only what he MAY do. I understand you are new to the Catholic Church. Maybe you should take your disagreements with what the Church teaches to the debate table or talk to an apologist. But no one on here has said anything contrary to what the Catholic Church teaches on this issue of Priesthood and leaving the Priesthood.
 
I know, which is why I typed “involved with” in my post, which you quoted 🙂
Hmm, that’s odd. Another post (#57) has the other wording. Sorry, past my bedtime! 🙂 But still, in general, let’s be careful of speculating on what did or didn’t happen.
 
So how did Fr. Anthony announce this? Did he just read out a letter or something? Both Fr. Mark and Fr. Anthony looked very shaken and upset. I was trying to find the realvideo of this episode in the archieve section of the EWTN web site but either its just not up yet or maybe they dont want to put it up, at least the part concerning Fr Francis anyway.

Its a big shock. None of us saw this coming!
I missed the first few minutes, too, so I have to see it later! No, it’s not up on archive yet, as it’s still this week’s program (too new). Listening to LAST week’s program (which was excellent and worth listening to again in archive, by the way!) and hearing Fr. Francis hosting it, maybe for the final time, is now so unreal and so sad in retrospect.
Pray for Father, and the fallout surely to come.
 
a priest can’t marry because He has God as spouse… He is married, in a way, to the Church. Noone can serve 2 masters… as we see in this case, you will love one and despise the other… a priest has to be available 24 hours a day for his spiritual children’s needs. The priesthood is a sacrament that is separate from the Sacrament of marriage. In the Sacrament of marriage it is a “total” giving of oneself to the other… the 2 become one. There is no room for sharing it with another.
The Church has never shaken from its stance on this for these reasons and we have to be obedient to what the Church teaches, not what we believe is relevant for our modern times.

This shows how powerful temptation is for all people. Hopefully as he discerns this God will remind him of his vocation and vows. He knows this already.
 
i put most of the blame on the woman. a priest, as a man who’s attracted sexually to women, has a difficult road ahead of him. for a women to cooperate in building a romantic relationship is out right evil.

what is he thinking?

they do play lame music on life on the rock. i blame that and the charismatic movement. all that touchy feely garbage that turns men into wimps. i see too much of it on ewtn as good as it is.
 
I missed the first few minutes, too, so I have to see it later! No, it’s not up on archive yet, as it’s still this week’s program (too new). Listening to LAST week’s program (which was excellent and worth listening to again in archive, by the way!) and hearing Fr. Francis hosting it, maybe for the final time, is now so unreal and so sad in retrospect.
Pray for Father, and the fallout surely to come.
i suppose this is now a kind of a scandal for EWTN but i think they are dealing with it well by being upfront and not hiding anything.
Although i always thought Fr. Francis, (although he always tried his best to be a good priest) was a little immature or innocent. Once when the topic on LOTR was men’s addictions to pornography he actually used the phrase “j**king off” and i know he didnt mean anything rude by it he was just innocently using the slang term but i remember thinking the producers on the show must be mortified because it was really innappropiate.
basically my point is he may not be called to the priesthood because he never really had it together like Fr. Miguel or Fr. Mark etc.
although at the end of the day thats none of my business.

the only thing we can do is pray for him…
 
Someone else might have already addressed this. I haven’t read the entire thread, but what I had read hadn’t responded. If I’m repeating, just ignore me.
This is one of the main reason why I think catholic priest should be able to get married!
So that he can abuse his position of authority and have every woman he helps in a time of need adore him and be a potential bride? He should be attractive and look like a knight on a white horse, but without clear boundaries that say, “what you are attracted to is the light and life of Christ. Follow me and I’ll lead you to Him!” he is nothing but a target and a disaster waiting to happen.
I mean so what if Father Francis has fallen in love with someone.
So what is that he’s already knowingly and willingly commited his life solely to another.
Finding love is hard to find so more power to him if he has found it!
As a celibate priest, he chose to forgo earthly love to be a witness and bearer of God’s heavenly love. The love you are referring to is a romantic and fleeting feeling. Ask any married couple or marriage counselor and you’ll find that the *feeling *of love ebbs and flows. What is important is that a person understand that his vow is a constant choice he must make to live his life for another, no matter how he feels.
I just do not see a problem with serving ones faith no matter what that faith may be all while raising a family.
Me neither. I support a return to the ordination of married men, though I realize the cultural and administrative problems which preclude that as a prudent option for the Latin Church at this time. There’s a difference between a man who has kept his marriage vow faithfully taking on the additional responsibility of ordination and a man who has not kept his vow of celibate ordination taking on the additional responsibility of a family. As an ardent proponent of a married priesthood, I want nothing to do with the latter group.
The man is human and has human needs and feelings. I believe it is very wrong to surpress these feelings.
Feelings are fleeting and should not be trusted, especially when they encourage you to act against a vow you have taken. Should a married man act on his feelings of attraction for his co-worker? Of course not. That doesn’t mean he needs to suppress everything, bottle it up, and explode one day. Any man faced with the temptation of breaking his vow should fully confess to a strong and orthodox spiritual adviser as soon as he becomes aware of the issue. He should follow that person’s advice and should work to accept the feelings for what they are and to change his actions sufficiently so as to bring about a change in his thoughts and feelings.
I sincerely believe that is one of the reason why you see a few “bad apple” priest molesting young children.
Most child molesters are married men. They are fathers, step-fathers, uncles, and grandpas. Having a woman to have sex with does not stop a child molester. He is attracted to children. There are plenty of people who struggle with pedophilia but never act on it. Those men who are heinous enough to do so are not capable of having a well-ordered marriage. Unless you are proposing that we allow priests to have child brides and to be able to divorce and remarry when the child hits puberty, this will do nothing to stop child molesters.
From what I have read it seems that many religous were in fact married and serving God up until about the year 1200. For some reason around this time being a “single” priest became the standard. Many Popes also appear to have been married at one time.
You need to read your history a little more.

We have always had celibate monastics. The east has always had married parish priests as well as celibate monastic priests. The bishops are chosen from among the monastics. The west has had a tradition of celibate clergy from the earliest times. What you are referring to is the predominantly eastern tradition of ordaining married men. At no point in history have clergy been allowed to marry. As a matter of fact, the east doesn’t even allow those ordained to the minor orders (reader, sub-deacon, etc) to later marry. If the man is married when he’s ordained and later widowed, he can’t remarry. There is no historical basis for allowing ordained men to get married.
What are your thoughts and opinions on this?
As someone who supports a married priesthood, I roundly reject the idea that it should be lauded as a way to properly channel the interests of pedophiles and adulterers. Married men who have shown good moral character are the reason we should allow married men to be ordained. Those who desire to act outside of their vows or of morality should be counseled in a way to allow them to spiritually, emotionally, and physically grow in the faith, not placated with a woman.
 
Ok yes I say you are correct in that Father Francis Mary Stone is a memeber of a religious order and NOT a secular priest. I can see the difference you are trying to convey.

But still I see alot of other religions and faiths whos leaders,priest, etc etc are married and they seem to being doing just fine.

I have also heard of former Lutherian priest who are married that have in fact been taken in by the Catholic church who have been allowed to remain married praticing Catholic priest.

I’m sorry but I believe it is just time for the church to give up the old dogma and allow the men and women to marry.

I can remember when the idea of an alter “girl” was so frightening to the church. Now I see many a young female in the job of “alter person” now that was at one time only held by young male. I believe the church need to examine the possiablty of allowing its leaders to get married.

I will for sure pray for Father Francis Mary Stone! I encourage others to pray for him also. The poor guys right now needs all the prayers he can get. I have watched him on TV on and off for sometime now. I still think he is a good person.I believe God will help point the way to what is right for both God and Father Francis Mary Stone.

God’s will be done.
It matters not. Whether secular or religious once you are ordained you cannot get married, period. No turning back.
 
basically my point is he may not be called to the priesthood because he never really had it together like Fr. Miguel or Fr. Mark etc.
I’d disagree with that. Priests simply come in different shapes, sizes, personalities, and approaches. Others wouldn’t really connect with the style and approach of these priests and find faults with them.
 
I think you guys are being a bit hard on Fr. Francis and jpshehn.

First, it appears that the Church has a process that priests go through if they feel they must leave the priesthood. An application is made to Rome, and if granted, the priest is “laicized”. An ordained priest will always remain a priest, just as a baptized Catholic remains a Catholic even they leave the Church. However, the priest no longer has the privileges of a priest.

From what I can tell the priest is not excommunicated and can continue to receive the sacraments, even marry in the church. I am not a canon lawyer, but this is some quick research revealed on the subject.

I have not researched the issue of whether there was ever a time in which Latin priest could marry. However, I am relatively confident that after the split with the East there was a period of time that priest could marry.

God bless you all.
 
I like Fr Francis Mary…this must be extremely difficult for him…as for all …I’m going to pray for him.
 
Their is plenty of historical precedence for both married and celibate Roman Catholic Priest. If Jesus’ first sacrament and gift to us after the Resurrection was “Ordaining” married and single men on Pentecost and both were appropriate for the first 1500 yrs or so, it may be appropriate in the future if and when the Holy Spirit guides the Vatican.

See this thread:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=188506
 
It ought to be recalled that Fr. Francis is not the first priest from their community to take a leave of absence to discern his future. At least two others have done the same. Though the network never fully revealed (to my knowledge) their reasons for doing so. At best, they suggested that one had become burnt out and needed a sabbatical break while discerning his direction. I don’t think that the community ever announced the final dispositions of these priests. They just disappeared into the setting sun. So, in a way, this is nothing new for them.
 
From the posting here, I am taking it that few, if any, are personally aquainted with men who are married, laicized (and dispensed celibacy requirement) priests (of which there are many)?
 
I think you guys are being a bit hard on Fr. Francis and jpshehn.

First, it appears that the Church has a process that priests go through if they feel they must leave the priesthood. An application is made to Rome, and if granted, the priest is “laicized”. An ordained priest will always remain a priest, just as a baptized Catholic remains a Catholic even they leave the Church. However, the priest no longer has the privileges of a priest.

From what I can tell the priest is not excommunicated and can continue to receive the sacraments, even marry in the church. I am not a canon lawyer, but this is some quick research revealed on the subject.

I have not researched the issue of whether there was ever a time in which Latin priest could marry. However, I am relatively confident that after the split with the East there was a period of time that priest could marry.

God bless you all.
The east BEGAN to allow marriage in the council of Trullo in the eighth centur. Before that it was a celibate clergy from the beginning. There were some dissenters that disobeyed, but the Apostles were celibate after obtaining Holy Orders.
 
We have married priest in our metro area, Episcopal converts and they have many children and seem to be quite happy. A couple of pregnancies while being Roman Catholic Priests. But yes, if they became widowed would not be able to remarry under current Church Law.
 
There is a difference between saying something is a sin and condemning someone. Jesus tells us several times in the Bible, if you see your brother sinning, point it out. You should be happy that their are still people who are upset about someone’s sin and the state of the sin. What could be a better example of brotherly love than to be concerned about the state of someone’s soul?

I find it quite upsetting myself, and once again this bad behavior by a priest has shaken my trust in the priesthood.

Condemning someone or judging someone is completely different. No one on this board has said, “Fr Francis Mary Stone should be damned to hell because he broke his vows.” or "(It doesn’t matter if he commited the actual act or not; a vow of chastity involves a lot more than just physical contact.)
 
My Jesus, Our Jesus, Beloved Jesus, Merciful Jesus,

Help Father Francis.

Tonight let us pray for your soul Father Francis. May you stay faithful to the covenant that He made with you. May you realize the suffering He will endure if you leave the priesthood.

Jesus commanded us to love one another and many people including myself are reaching out to you because Jesus commanded us to love one another as He loves us. You need lots of help and support at this time. Remember you are not alone and we love you. We are praying for you.

During your leave of absence spend as much time as you possibly can in front of Jesus in Eucharistic Adoration. Listen to HIM. He will help you with this cross.

If you abandon your priestly duties you will be going against God’s will and not just you but the widow you have feelings for and her children will be harmed as well. I believe the Bible shows that God is harsh to those whose sins involve widows and children.

He loves you and He understands you and if you let Him back in He will purify your Soul. Don’t lose hope Father Francis!

Jesus Christ loves each one of us and He is closest to us during our hardest times. Please TURN to JESUS CHRIST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. He is so merciful and so loving. His Will be done, not yours my dear brother Francis and your reward as He said will be great in Heaven.

As today is All Saints day we ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, our loving Mother and all the community of Saints in Heaven to pray for you Father Francis to make the right choice and remain faithful to your priestly vows and to seek forgiveness for your sins. Amen.
 
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