Fr. Gabriele Amorth: 'St. Padre Pio knew the Third Secret of Fatima'

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Whether OnePeterFive is a “good” or “bad” is a matter of opinion. (Is that painting over there beautiful, or not?)

But it is not a recognized Catholic ministry. It may be more interesting than some recognized Catholic ministries, who knows? But it is not recognized by the Church. Some others do meet that standard. This does not. That is not a matter of opinion.
 
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This is from the Vatican website:

The original text, in Portuguese, was read and interpreted with the help of the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima. Sister Lucia agreed with the interpretation that the third part of the “secret” was a prophetic vision, similar to those in sacred history. She repeated her conviction that the vision of Fatima concerns above all the struggle of atheistic Communism against the Church and against Christians, and describes the terrible sufferings of the victims of the faith in the twentieth century. (end quote)

Okay, what does this have to do with onepeterfive pushing another story that paints the current Church in a questionable light?
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The Magisterium is the reliable interpreter of private revelations. If someone suggests a certain private opinion about events, revelations, and interpretations, it is relevant for someone else to quote the reliable template. I can quote my opinion about something, and that is ok, but someone else may quote what the Church itself says related to that topic.
 
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misstherese said:
You have misunderstood several points.

The interview was not originally from OnePeterFive, but from a book about Fatima.

I would add that OnePeterFive is nothing but Catholic. Are “traditionalist” websites to you considered “non-Catholic”? If so, that worries me.

I’m literally just reporting an article. You can agree with it or not.
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I have trouble accepting as Catholic a website the accuses the Pope of being a heretic.
 
May I ask where you read on the website that the Pope was a heretic?

There are some controversies the Church is dealing with at the moment with the Filial Correction and all; perhaps you misread?
 
misstherese said:
May I ask where you read on the website that the Pope was a heretic?

There are some controversies the Church is dealing with at the moment with the Filial Correction and all; perhaps you misread?
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Here is a quote from the site:
Nevertheless, the language used in this latest document advances the case further than anything that came before it, and some speculate that it may help establish that the pope is guilty of public and notorious material heresy. If so, his failure to respond could be an important step in determining that the pope is “incorrigible and pertinacious” in the promotion of heresy, and possibly trigger additional remedial actions further down the road.
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From: [Catholic Clergy & Scholars Issue "Filial Correction" to Pope, Against "Propagation of Heresies" - OnePeterFive]

But I think it is fair to say that much of the site is dedicated to attacking the Pope and the Magisterium.
 
Wow, you are really mixed up about this. The quote you gave from the Vatican website has everything to do with JPll assasination attempt. Furthermore, the Vatican quote and the Fatima messages have nothing to do with a “false church”, unless the false church is atheism.
 
Did you hit the wrong button or something? What does this have to do with what I posted?
 
So I’ve been bullied enough on this site. I think I am actually logging off for good. I decided to post an interesting article for others to reply with perhaps moderate curiosity and polite discussion, yet instead I receive only condescending replies and rude accusations.

@TMC The Filial Correction addresses the possible heresies in Amoris Laetita. I don’t think they are outright saying the Pope is a heretic.
 
Calling something a “conspiracy theory” is a nice way to end discussion about it.
 
This is very interesting indeed. The tragedy of the 20th century had been predicted before also, by Pope Leo XIII, when he had a vision of Christ giving increased power to Satan over the world for one century.
Also, our Lady of La Salette told us the Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist. Our Lady of Good Success told us, after making a series of remarkable predictions, the the 20th century would bring about great heresies, even within the church.
 
Heretic,schismatic…
What an odd language and so foreign to us common people in our Church today.
 
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No. Sorry. The language of a group.
As if using it often makes anyone more " knowledgeable. "
Nowhere but in history books in High School.
 
Here are expert authorities on Fatima: the current pope, the current bishop of Fatima, and for you, the current bishop of your diocese. The likely have all given some teaching on Fatima in the past year. That would be a good starting point to further your understanding.

Here are some persons who have never been expert authorities on Fatima, though they may be very good persons: OnePeterFive, Fr. Amorth, St. Padre Pio, Sister Lucia. To my knowledge, they never claimed to be expert authorities. The Magisterium does make that claim. Of the non-experts, Fr. Amorth, St. Padre Pio, and Sister Lucia, were united with the Magisterium.
 
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misstherese said:
So I’ve been bullied enough on this site. I think I am actually logging off for good. I decided to post an interesting article for others to reply with perhaps moderate curiosity and polite discussion, yet instead I receive only condescending replies and rude accusations.

@TMC The Filial Correction addresses the possible heresies in Amoris Laetita. I don’t think they are outright saying the Pope is a heretic.
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I think you are incorrect, especially in the context of the rest of the content on the site, but you are certainly entitled to that opinion.

Also, to be clear, I don’t have a problem with anyone criticizing the Church or the Pope. But I do think that it is important that those critical of the Church’s teachings admit that is what they are doing - that they are dissenting and speaking out about their dissent. I do have a problem with those that argue that they, and not the Church, are the true arbiters of what the Church teaches and does not. That is what I mean when I say I would not say the site is “Catholic.”
 
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So I’ve been bullied enough on this site. I think I am actually logging off for good. I decided to post an interesting article for others to reply with perhaps moderate curiosity and polite discussion, yet instead I receive only condescending replies and rude accusations.
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I would hope you are always treated with respect on CAF.

But if anyone posts an article from a website that presents itself as Catholic, it is not disrespectful to the poster to point out the fact that the website is not connected to the Church in any way. That does not mean the article is wrong, and is not an attack on person who posted it.

I read Baptist websites now and then, they can be interesting, have some good ideas. But suppose a website presented itself as Catholic, when it has no connection to the Church, and someone posted it on CAF. I might point out this fact. Whenever someone posts something from The National Catholic Reporter, I might point out the same thing - no connection to the Church.

I would not bother to post that clarification if the website did not present itself as Catholic. Even so, the website might have good ideas, and I would read it. But after I point out that clarification.
 
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Okay, so I see your point about the website having no connection to the Church formally, like the National Catholic Reporter.

And I agree with you, many so called traditionalist websites can be kind of nutty, but to be honest I have not seen it on this website. Especially pertaining to the part where someone claimed they were outright calling the Pope a heretic, when in fact, they were just reporting on the Filial Correction which mentions heresy.

In addition, I also have reason to believe that this specific website would not post a fake story about something Father Gabriele Amorth did not say, going so far as to fake an entire interview. I also do not think that Fr. Gabriele Amorth, the former Chief Exorcist of the Vatican and who had also known St. Padre Pio for 26 years, would make up a story about St. Padre Pio. That is the reason why I lean towards believing it to be true. Again, you are free to think what you want. But these are the points I stick to.
 
She never said she was an expert authority and submitted to the authority of the Magisterium.
 
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Yes many traditionalist have nothing but criticism for SAINT John Paul II. I don’t think they realize how much worse the “spirit of Vatican II” could have been in the 80s and beyond if not for his saintly leadership.
 
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