Fr. Groeschel compared illegal immigrants to slaves

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Cracks about EWTN and sarcastic faces certainly don’t show anything to me but scorn for both…Fr Corapi isn’t angry he is intense…The love he has for others is very evident in his works…I just heard him last night saying he went out in his civvies instead of his habit in San Francisco and saw Christ in the dirtiest and the poorest man he had ever seen

He talked about heling our poor in spirit and in funds when I listend to him last night…He has great compassion for those that life has chucked aside

He tried to help a nun who had left the convent to work in a brothel escape after she called him asking him for help…He tried to sneak her out the back door but was stopped by a thug that worked there…he knew their lives were both in danger…He bought her freedom with his own money, and helped her get back to the convent without betraying her to the order

Fr Corapi has lived in the gutte, s well as on the mountain top, and understands the seamy side and the steamy side of life…He is a man’s man…He has a different style but to label him as angry is untrue and unfair…To make nasty cracks about EWTN is simply mean, and it shows a lack of respect for a ministry many have devoted their lives to, including Fr Groeschel
Fther Groeshell is also a man’s man if you ask me. I’ve actually seen him be very intense on some issues. I just think that some people think that loud and commanding is sort of angry. I’personally don’t mind either personality. But I didn’t see the attacks that you did. Like I said I love to hear both of them talk.
 
I have seen Fr Groeschel angry on more than 1 occasion…I have heard him say people like this make me sick, and as we say in Jersey City, “take the gas pipe” …He wil stand up for truth just as Fr Corapi does and he doens’t count the personal cost

I dislike putting labels on those that are trying to do the will of God…It is hard enough to live a vocataion without someone deciding that they will make smart reamakrs like* exalted Fr*, and unfair statements about a TV show that is surely the hand of God…Fr Corapi is very humble and often pokes fun at himself

Last night he referred to himself as an old codger and often makes himself the butt of a joke

EWTN is a miracle in itself, just as Fr Corapi’s reversion was…God moves in mysterious ways…If you can’t be a train conducter be a wheel greaser

Anyone can sit and throw stones…It is just as easy to say something nice about someone as it is to take cheap pot shots
 
We have been having a rash of crimes in Charlotte, NC attributed to illegal Mexicans. Most have been drinking and driving (on the wrong side of the interstate, killing whole families at once) raping and murdering, breaking into homes and businesses, stealing cars, etc. Just this past Friday in South Carolina a 17 year old was killed while riding his dirt bike, by a hit and run driver. Later he was caught, he was an illegal Mexican. Although it seems the boy may have been at fault, the driver didn’t want to stop most likely because he was illegal and didn’t want to get deported.

Could the boy have lived if the driver had stopped and called 911 immediately, or assisted in some way? We will never know.

Sorry to go on so long. As you can tell, this is a pet peeve.
Thats why we need armed volunteer militias to patrol in conjunction with the police. And the deployment of the National Guard to the U.S.-Mexican border.
 
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The fundamental solution [would be] that there is no longer any need to immigrate, that there are sufficient opportunities for work and a sufficient social fabric that no one any longer feels the need to immigrate. We all have to work for this objective, that social development is sufficient so that citizens are able to contribute to their own future…
In the short term, it’s very important above all to help the families. This is the primary objective, to ensure that families are protected, not destroyed. Whatever can be done, must be done. Naturally, we have to do whatever’s possible against economic insecurity, against all the forms of violence, so that they can have a worthy life.
I’d like also to say that although there are many problems, so much suffering, there’s also much hospitality [in America.]
Pope Benedict XVI, April 15, 2008
 
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In the short term, it’s very important above all to help the families.
The problem occurs when this idealism meets reality, and when it conflicts with other idealisms. Poor and needy people, when moving into new communiities or countries en masse, usually have the greatest impact on local populations very similar to themselves economically – populations which have the least recourse to remedies against that economic impact.

This is precisely what has happened in U.S. public schools.due to substantial illegal immigration by families of which the entire family is illiterate, and which our public school systems are not equipped to absorb, nor would they ever be so “in the short term,” ever.

I echo the sentiments of at least one other poster here who places both the blame and the solution squarely on the backs of the Mexican government. Yeah, no kidding they love illegal emigration from Mexico to the U.S., along with the perverse and selfish accommodation to Mexican wealth - of immigrants sending money from the U.S. to fund the Mexican underclass and quiet unrest. Talk about rank & cynical exploitation. The problem is, Your Holiness, it has never and will never remain “short-term help” within the current corrupt arrangement that now occurs. Mexico has zero motivation to change anything. It’s a way to continue to fund the Mob which is their wealthy political class.

Mexico, the ironically “Catholic” country which has not even the decency to share its wealth among all classes, nor to exert any influence to promote literacy among the peasants so that they would have a chance to improve their lot both there and here. For the U.S. to continue to support the status quo is to provide material cooperation in evil. (Also called, grave sin.) I’m sure you wouldn’t want that, would you, Your Holiness?
 
There are very real problems re. illegal immigration.Check with folks living in border towns. It can be like a battle zone.
However, who is hiring the illegal immigrants?Americans.And who buys the drugs coming over the border? Us, again. We are part of the problem, too.
 
There are very real problems re. illegal immigration.Check with folks living in border towns. It can be like a battle zone.
However, who is hiring the illegal immigrants?Americans.And who buys the drugs coming over the border? Us, again. We are part of the problem, too.
The severe impact is hardly limited to border towns, however. Massive immigration to states like CA, TX, and more have had enormous economic & educational consequences up and down these states. It is one of many reasons why CA has huge budget problems right now – due to irresponsible “social spending” on programs with laudable idealism in mind but without consideration of the financial impact of the state as a whole, including to non-immigrant poor, including to merely a functioning middle class, etc.

Yes, CA employers are cooperating wth the Mexican political Mob when they hire cheap illegal workers which they can then virtually ‘blackmail.’ The whole system, top to bottom, is corrupt.

People who really cared about the country-to-country problem, registering in the millions – population-wise and economy-wise – would want to do something radically Christian like support a revolution against the self-perpetuating system down there. (That would be as opposed to pious pronouncements, sentimental photos, or slogan-heavy intellectual positions with zero understanding of how economies & school systems work.)
 
The severe impact is hardly limited to border towns, however. Massive immigration to states like CA, TX, and more have had enormous economic & educational consequences up and down these states. It is one of many reasons why CA has huge budget problems right now – due to irresponsible “social spending” on programs with laudable idealism in mind but without consideration of the financial impact of the state as a whole, including to non-immigrant poor, including to merely a functioning middle class, etc.

Yes, CA employers are cooperating wth the Mexican political Mob when they hire cheap illegal workers which they can then virtually ‘blackmail.’ The whole system, top to bottom, is corrupt.

People who really cared about the country-to-country problem, registering in the millions – population-wise and economy-wise – would want to do something radically Christian like support a revolution against the self-perpetuating system down there. (That would be as opposed to pious pronouncements, sentimental photos, or slogan-heavy intellectual positions with zero understanding of how economies & school systems work.)
I hear you re. Calif. It’s insane.
 
There are very real problems re. illegal immigration.Check with folks living in border towns. It can be like a battle zone.
However, who is hiring the illegal immigrants?Americans.And who buys the drugs coming over the border? Us, again. We are part of the problem, too.
Amen!! The truth of the matter is if we, as Americans, truly did not want illegal immigration, and behaved like we did not want illegal immigration, government policy would reflect our private feelings. We would not hire illegals, we would not buy drugs that are brought here illegally (if you’ve just got to smoke pot, grow you own), etc. Public policy reflects private morality.
 
Amen!! The truth of the matter is if we, as Americans, truly did not want illegal immigration, and behaved like we did not want illegal immigration, government policy would reflect our private feelings. We would not hire illegals, we would not buy drugs that are brought here illegally (if you’ve just got to smoke pot, grow you own), etc. Public policy reflects private morality.
Agreed. We are giving a mixed message & reaping the consequences.
 
Amen!! The truth of the matter is if we, as Americans, truly did not want illegal immigration, and behaved like we did not want illegal immigration, government policy would reflect our private feelings. We would not hire illegals, we would not buy drugs that are brought here illegally (if you’ve just got to smoke pot, grow you own), etc. Public policy reflects private morality.
I agree with you.

There are a lot of folks making a lot of money from illegal immigrant labor.

One more thing:

God bless Fr. Greoschel for having the guts to tell the inconvenient truth!!
 
I see alot of hispanics near my work every night. I know they are on their way to work. What is the proper and safest way to find out if they are legal? If they are illegal the problem has stretched all the way to PA. I have a feeling they’re not. The local police take coffee breaks where I see these people. I don’t feel comfortable saying anything to them,because if there is something illegal going on,it’s alot of them. And my fear would be that whoever is hiring them has alot of money, and probably alot of gov’t pull. I think they are nice people and probably good workers,but also feel that it would be better for them and us if things were legal. I hope they are but don’t feel that they are not. I think they are Mexican,or Central or South American. They are not Puerto Rican because they have a different look and people from Puerto Rico have been in our area since I was born. They don’t look at me even though I see them on my coffee break every night. They go to work about 4 AM.so alot of people don’t see them. How can I safely find out if they are legal? They don’t look at all dangerous. They are clean and groom themselves nicely. so I don’t fear them. I don’t see them as gang members at all. I’ve seen alot of landscaping and construction workers here also over the last 10 years.More and more. And I see alot working art restraunts. It seems wrong to presuppose them as illegal but it seems like there’s some very large immigration coming from central or south america and how does one find out if it’s legal safely. If it’s not legal it’s a huge illegal immigrant slave trade or something. I don’t even know if PA has immigration officers.I know NYC does.
 
I see alot of hispanics near my work every night. I know they are on their way to work. What is the proper and safest way to find out if they are legal? If they are illegal the problem has stretched all the way to PA. I have a feeling they’re not. The local police take coffee breaks where I see these people. I don’t feel comfortable saying anything to them,because if there is something illegal going on,it’s alot of them. And my fear would be that whoever is hiring them has alot of money, and probably alot of gov’t pull. I think they are nice people and probably good workers,but also feel that it would be better for them and us if things were legal. I hope they are but don’t feel that they are not. I think they are Mexican,or Central or South American. They are not Puerto Rican because they have a different look and people from Puerto Rico have been in our area since I was born. They don’t look at me even though I see them on my coffee break every night. They go to work about 4 AM.so alot of people don’t see them. How can I safely find out if they are legal? They don’t look at all dangerous. They are clean and groom themselves nicely. so I don’t fear them. I don’t see them as gang members at all. I’ve seen alot of landscaping and construction workers here also over the last 10 years.More and more. And I see alot working art restraunts. It seems wrong to presuppose them as illegal but it seems like there’s some very large immigration coming from central or south america and how does one find out if it’s legal safely. If it’s not legal it’s a huge illegal immigrant slave trade or something. I don’t even know if PA has immigration officers.I know NYC does.
One of these types of guys(he was illegal) was killed within an hour to the noirth of my work. He was beat to death by 2 juveniles. They got off on the local level by I think the feds are pursuing it almost as a hate crime or something. I cann’t see the group that I see causing any trouble. But if people resent them being here illegally it causes problems for them.
 
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