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EddieArent said:
What do you mean by this? Certainly not the owner of the site. I’ve had contacts with the site owner on many times and real life. Nothing can be far from the truth. The webmaster is a good Catholic, supportive of the Holy Father & the SSPX. Some members of the site, perhaps (the “bleep!” topic is discouraged). But there is a differance here.
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Trust Eddie…he knows. I agree.
 
May i ask you all this simple question, what are you going to do or feel when the SSPX is reunited with Rome? Celebrate in joy? think its a bad decision? accept it? what do you do with the prodigal son? Cast him out? Or, do you accept him back into the house with open arms and say, welcome back my son, long time no see? i think that if and when reunification does happen, some will accept it, and some will just not be happy with it no matter what. some will welcome the prodigal son back, and others will rage against it. either way, one day it will happen, so please, pray that it does because there are alot of us that desire the reunification, even if there are those that never will.
 
Marilena said:
May i ask you all this simple question, what are you going to do or feel when the SSPX is reunited with Rome? …think its a bad decision?
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Cardinals.
Cast him out?
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Frenchy French Bishops
and others will rage against it.
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American Bishops

I think I covered all the significant opposition.

Insignificant opposition:
Gay Clergy
Liturgists
Extraordinary “ministers”
Time
Newsweek
“fr” McBrien
The N-Dame football team.
(SSPX will enter a team in the College Conference)
 
so, then your saying don’t bother, and its basically hopeless?
what if the pope decides for the unification? he has the final word does he not? if he does decide for it, i guess all the opposition will have to live with it then correct?
 
Marilena said:
so, then your saying don’t bother, and its basically hopeless?
what if the pope decides for the unification? he has the final word does he not? if he does decide for it, i guess all the opposition will have to live with it then correct?
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Seriously, it would be a real test of B16’s Rule.
If he went on to remove to a monastery or Muslim country a few of the loudest detractors, the message from the others would quickly become very “conciliatory” as they are primarily cowards posing as bullies.
Funny how some folks identify themselves by the very thing they are NOT.
 
Marilena said:
we both obey him and accept him, and submit to him, one and the same. we do obey him. we never have not. the pope is the head of the church and Christ’s vicar on earth.
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To be sure the SSPX professes obedience to the Holy Father…or they would be sede’s.

I posted this before, but couldn’t find it, so I’m just reposting…it was an article by a sede priest. Fr. Cekeda
Mr. Ferrara advocates essentially the same position as the Society of St. Pius X, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, and countless others: You claim to “recognize” Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI as true popes. At the same time YOU decide which papal teachings, laws, sacramental rites, or commands are good, and which you’ll reject, resist or publicly denounce.
Under this system, a pope no longer possesses the supreme authority to “bind and loose” on earth. A New Jersey lawyer, the Superior General of SSPX, the CEO of the Fatima Industry, the editor of Catholic Family News, or, generally, any traditional Catholic whatsoever, does the final review for him.
The New Mass? A sacrilege, intrinsically evil, or the pope didn’t promulgate it correctly anyway. Consecration of Russia to Immaculate Heart? The pope didn’t do it right. Excommunicated or suspended? Invalid, no matter what the pope and his curia say. Consecrate bishops against the pope’s explicit will? Necessity lets me do it. And so on.
Who needs to visit the Throne of Peter? You give the final thumbs-up or -down from your easy chair.
The pope speaks. You decide…
This system makes a mockery of the Catholic teaching that the pope possesses not only a “Primacy of honor” (framed photos in the vestibules of wildcat traditionalist chapels, say) but also “supreme and full power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, both in matters of faith and morals, as well as in those things that pertain to the discipline and rule of the Church spread throughout the world,” a power that is “ordinary and immediate over each and every church, as well as over each and every pastor and member of the faithful, independent of any human authority.” (Vatican I, Dogmatic Constitution De Ecclesia Christi, DZ 1827; Canon 218.)
Mr. Ferrara wrote a book on the post-Vatican II mess entitled The Great Façade. No wonder. Mr. Ferrara’s system gives you a cardboard pope — “for display purposes only.”
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In a certain way, I feel he is right. This is no way indicts all those who attend the SSPX (or for that matter those who post at AQ), but one thing I have got from posting at AQ is the constant criticism of everything the Holy Father does, while certain posters are ever-ready to suggest that +Williamson’s words have been taken out of context.
Holy Father writes to Cardinal Arinze….oh, why does he have to be so wishy washy and not manly and firm? (I wonder whether that poster ever read missives from prior Popes to their Congregations)……Pope receives a car as a gift….oh, doesn’t he know that that company is connected to another company that supports homosexuality?..Pope reiterates teaching against abortion……is this only lip service or is he actually going to do something? And on, and on, and on.

Oh, to be sure, certain things done in the Vatican are deserving of criticism (when it’s intelligent) but every little thing? No thank you.
 
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   The New Mass? A sacrilege, intrinsically evil, or the pope didn’t promulgate it correctly anyway.
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Wouldn’t you agree this is a little bit hyperbole if not calumny by assigning it to the SSPX?​

 
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Wouldn’t you agree this is a little bit hyperbole if not calumny by assigning it to the SSPX?
Same goes for rejecting all the sacraments by the SSPX. Is this position true or not?
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I recall Fr. Peter Scott of the SSPX saying something to the effect that though the NO is valid on account of valid (though according to him, illicit)consecration formulae, it is “objectively sacrilegeous”.
 
Marilena said:
May i ask you all this simple question, what are you going to do or feel when the SSPX is reunited with Rome? Celebrate in joy? think its a bad decision? accept it? what do you do with the prodigal son? Cast him out? Or, do you accept him back into the house with open arms and say, welcome back my son, long time no see? i think that if and when reunification does happen, some will accept it, and some will just not be happy with it no matter what. some will welcome the prodigal son back, and others will rage against it. either way, one day it will happen, so please, pray that it does because there are alot of us that desire the reunification, even if there are those that never will.
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I am going to throw a huge party and invite all the neo-conservative Catholics from CAF over for champagne. 😉 And then we will all go the legitimate SSPX Mass together.
After we sober up, that is.
 

I read Fr. Cekeda’s letter awhile back. He was pointing, in my opinion at the impossible contradiction of recognizing the perogatives of the papal office, but ignoring or discarding them. Which is a true contradiction as I have said on a number of posts over the years.
Fr. Cekeda’s final point was that they need to be sedevacantist like himself in order to erase that contradiction. To which I also agree.​

In the end, the contradiction will continue BECAUSE, if their hope of reconciling with the Vatican comes about, it would be a real Bit** to present an even BIGGER contradiction of first declaring the papal office empty, then admit it is legitmately occupied by the very same person they denied as being a pope.

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TNT said:
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Seriously, it would be a real test of B16’s Rule.
If he went on to remove to a monastery or Muslim country a few of the loudest detractors, the message from the others would quickly become very “conciliatory” as they are primarily cowards posing as bullies.
Funny how some folks identify themselves by the very thing they are NOT.
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i don’t think you give the Holy Father enough credit. he wont be pushed by anyone. he certainly will not run. He is a man of courage, and he is strong and very set in his goals. do not underestimate our beloved Holy Father, for he might surprise you all.👍
 
I pray for our beloved pope, Benedict the Brave! a courageous man, and very holy indeed!
 
I would certainly party if the SSPX returned to the fold. After all, bringing people to the fold is the Church’s role.

As for my part of the hosing metaphor, reading it now I realise I stretched the argument. Sorry.
 
Titus said:
I would certainly party if the SSPX returned to the fold. After all, bringing people to the fold is the Church’s role.

As for my part of the hosing metaphor, reading it now I realise I stretched the argument. Sorry.
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I’ll be throwing the party. You’re invited.angelqueen.org
 
TNT said:
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Seriously, it would be a real test of B16’s Rule.
If he went on to remove to a monastery or Muslim country a few of the loudest detractors, the message from the others would quickly become very “conciliatory” as they are primarily cowards posing as bullies.
Funny how some folks identify themselves by the very thing they are NOT.
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Can I steal that smilie from you? Already, I need more! angelqueen.org
 
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