I find it irritating that he uses these words as a new motto.His motto on the new website is:
Truth. Hope. Unleashed.
Does he really consider no longer following the proper authority of God’s church ‘unleashed’?
I find it irritating that he uses these words as a new motto.His motto on the new website is:
Truth. Hope. Unleashed.
Do you think he is less of a Christian than he was on Ash Wednesday, when his faculties were suspended? He has been preaching the Source of Truth and Hope consistently for 20 years. It is right on the top left of the page. It is a Somebody!Truth. Hope. Unleashed.Code:His motto on the new website is:
But whose “truth?” From whom is the “hope” coming?
You make a good point. He voluntarily wore that collar, and was voluntarily constrained by it. Now they have forbidden him to wear it, so he is not constrained by all the restrictions on priests.And how was this “dog” ever leashed in the first place, since he volunteered for the priesthood?
You better believe it! She bids all of us to keep our flesh on a leash, and do “do whatever He tells you”, but for priests, there are rules and regulations that go beyond those applied to the laypersons. Specifically with regard to political involvement.Actually that one word is possibly the most insulting piece in his whole transformation. Leashed? Did the Virgin Mary ask him to put on a LEASH in order to become a Catholic priest?
He was certainly constrained by being in a mortal body. He was also constrained by the lack of faith in the people that He came to gather.Was Jesus LEASHED when he came to save our souls?
Maybe you have not listened to enough of his talks.Code:I don't like this whole metaphor of sheep dogs in the first place, the dogs are not in charge of the sheep, they are merely SERVANTS of the Shepherd and I haven't heard any of that out of Corapi -
No, but to say there isn’t anything “remotely spiritual” in Corapi is an awful stretch. I have not appreciated the spiritual fruit of some of his recent expressions and actions, butCode:of course if he admires this LTC Grossman so very much, there certainly isn't anything remotely spiritual in that man's piece about sheep and sheep dogs.
This is not for us to judge. In fact, if you do this, you will get the thread shut down.Corapi has chosen the wrong path.
You are right, we can’t know, and that is why we cannot judge. Yes, there are plenty of people hurt and insulted, and certainly the man has pride, as we all do. Yes, he chose the name for his book and website a year and a half ago, and it was already waiting to be unveiled before all this drama broke out.He has been hurt and insulted by whatever happened with his ex-employee, and his pride has created all this - maybe it was already waiting to be unveiled and the drama just raised the curtain early, I don’t know.
I too am sorry aobut the mess. However, it seems from Corapi’s point of view, he is actually out of the kennel, and has a much wider field. He can now speak out on poliitical issues without the constraints he had as a priest. He has pretty much been preaching to the choir for the last 20 years, and without doubt, the choir needed conversion (speaking for myself at least). But the greater society also needs a wake up call, and he seems to feel called to ring this bell.Code:I'm just sorry that this whole mess has played out the way it has, the person who believes himself to be unleashed is not only now leashed but in a very small kennel.
I will join you. I have been praying about this daily, because I had developed a habit of daily tuning in to his hour on IHR. I sent them some $ as they were already financially hurting before this hit. I will keep all these "fans’ in prayer also. I find the notion that any Catholic priest should have “fans” unpleasant. However, the idea that they would be “followers” or “disciples” is even more concerning.Code:My rosaries this week are going to be for Corapi and his admirers.
Now that you ask that, I can’t EVER remember hearing of an accused priest vindicated!I see many accused priests who receive a monthly stipend in their diocese, and religious order priests who have their Order to help them, lose their income immediately when they are accused and then live months, years before their cases are heard. What happens to them during this time? And when they are acquited or it is shown the accusations were frivioulous, are they then cleared in the news?
He is also solvent enough to take on this issue for all the priests who have been wounded by it that do not have the resources or the notoriety to take on the fight.Father Corapi certainly is a good soul winner but he has lots of monies at his disposal from the sales of his offerings; one is not so sure how much was given to the Community.
One is not related to the other. He was removed from ministry on Ash Wed, and did not expect to ever be retruned to the ministry. Yes, if he had returned to community, he would have been required to give up everything, but he still would not be able to minister.He is able to maintain his style of living by leaving. Staying in would have meant being removed from that ministry.
I agree that anything that causes such dissention and confusion is problematic to us all. However his reactions have been less than ideal, the process is also the cause of much confusion and hurt, especially to the innocent priest who becomes a victim of it (not saying Corapi is or is not).While I understand his revolt and believe the Ecclesiasticals need to be swift with their justice, whether innocent or guilty, it is my belief that anything that causes disension or this much confusion where others threaten to follow him suggests schism – where did that lead SSPX?
I would love to know of one. Do you have any evidence, since this new procedure was implemented after the sex scandals, that any priests have been restored?Code:History shows us that the church can and has on many occasions.
You did not include a quote with your response, so I am unclear as to the referent of “this”.I ask because given the circumstances some may not take Corapi at his word.Code:Has the council of dogma or civil law come forward to indicate this?
Secondary evidence may be needed.
Your irritation says more about you than it does anyone else. Why are you irritated?I find it irritating that he uses these words as a new motto.
Does he really consider no longer following the proper authority of God’s church ‘unleashed’?
Pio, for instance.On the advice of his council, both regular and canon attorneys, he accepted that this was not going to happen whether he went forward with the process or not. External sources have confirmed that priest in this situation are rarely ever restored.
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History shows us that the church can and has on many occasions.
Has the council of dogma or civil law come forward to indicate this?
I ask because given the circumstances some may not take Corapi at his word.
Secondary evidence may be needed.
He will never function as a priest again, and it is his own actions that have seen to it.Your irritation says more about you than it does anyone else. Why are you irritated?
It is documented that the SOLT wanted him back.How is he no longer following the proper authority of God’s Church? He was quite clear that people wanted him out of public ministry, and has accepted that he has been put out.
So he is giving up his faculties so he can speak on politcal topics?Besides, his spiritual director made clear reference to speaking out for political reasons, which is forbidden to a priest.
I have bolded the parts of your response to me that I wish to remark on. “Constrained by” is one thing, using the term “unleashed,” implying that one has been as a dog on a leash, is a different matter. A leashed dog is not the image that Jesus nor Mary wishes us to consider ourselves, in my world. Jesus is not the “Soul Whisperer,” like Cesar Milan, with a tight collar around our necks, being our “pack leader.”You make a good point. He voluntarily wore that collar, and was voluntarily constrained by it. Now they have forbidden him to wear it, so he is not constrained by all the restrictions on priests.
You better believe it! She bids all of us to keep our flesh on a leash, and do “do whatever He tells you”, but for priests, there are rules and regulations that go beyond those applied to the laypersons. Specifically with regard to political involvement.
He was certainly constrained by being in a mortal body. He was also constrained by the lack of faith in the people that He came to gather.
If you think that priests have freedom to do and say whatever they like, you are gravely mistaken. A priest is duty bound to represent the Church, and as such, there are parameters.
Maybe you have not listened to enough of his talks.
One of his favorite lines is “always come as a servant”. I heard a wonderful talk of his on Immaculate Heart Radio that was intended for seminarians. I was really glad they played it for the general public. It gives an excellent framework on this point.
No, but to say there isn’t anything “remotely spiritual” in Corapi is an awful stretch. I have not appreciated the spiritual fruit of some of his recent expressions and actions, but
Titus 1:15
15 To the pure all things are pure,
The spiritually minded man can see the spiritual good fruit in all things. Or at least, through all things. If he translates the words of Grossman into spiritual form that makes him better able to fulfull God’s calling for him, then why should we criticize that?
There is nothing inherintly sinful about understanding spiritual warfare using physical warfare as a model. Paul did as much when he wrote to the Phillipians, as he gazed upon the soldier guarding him, and transalted the armor into spiritual terms.
This is not for us to judge. In fact, if you do this, you will get the thread shut down.
You are right, we can’t know, and that is why we cannot judge. Yes, there are plenty of people hurt and insulted, and certainly the man has pride, as we all do. Yes, he chose the name for his book and website a year and a half ago, and it was already waiting to be unveiled before all this drama broke out.
I too am sorry aobut the mess. However, it seems from Corapi’s point of view, he is actually out of the kennel, and has a much wider field. He can now speak out on poliitical issues without the constraints he had as a priest. He has pretty much been preaching to the choir for the last 20 years, and without doubt, the choir needed conversion (speaking for myself at least). But the greater society also needs a wake up call, and he seems to feel called to ring this bell.
I will join you. I have been praying about this daily, because I had developed a habit of daily tuning in to his hour on IHR. I sent them some $ as they were already financially hurting before this hit. I will keep all these "fans’ in prayer also. I find the notion that any Catholic priest should have “fans” unpleasant. However, the idea that they would be “followers” or “disciples” is even more concerning.
James 3:1-2
3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness. 2 For we all make many mistakes, and if any one makes no mistakes in what he says he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also.
Pio was under quite a different set of circumstances. They did not have this procedure at that time. Do you have any evidence that priests have been vindicated since these new procedures were implemented?Pio, for instance.
I don’t know if they are allowed to talk about it, or not. Personally, I think too much has already been placed in the public eye. You are right, though, we only have Corapi’s side of the story.And I am asking if the lawyers have come forward themselves to acknowledge their advice in the matter?
Since Corapi has already publicized what the lawyer stated (assuming the lawyer did say this) I do not believe attorney/client priveledge would bind the lawyer on this specific piece of information.
Bottom line:
There has been discussion in the last thread to the effect that we only have Corapi’s word for a great deal of evidence at hand.
I would like to hear the lawyers confirm that they did advise their client in that way.
It seems very odd that a canon lawyer would advise a client to go against the will of the Church.
I dont’ think we can assume this, either. The investigation is stalled. A lot of things could happen. He could decide to cancel or modify the non-disclosure agreements, the accuser could reverse course, or unexpectedly be called to her particular judgment, they could change the procedure to make it more realistic to the type of accusation (instead of treating him like an active pedophile).He will never function as a priest again, and it is his own actions that have seen to it.
I can see your point, but then, one would have to see the separation as a “failure” on his part. In this case, he maintains he is innocent, and seems to believe that he has been silenced by the influence of powerful people in the Church that are offended by his preaching. If this is true, then he has no “failure” of which he should be ashamed.Describing this as ‘unleashed’ is reprehensible.
I find usage of the term in this way to be very simlar to a recent divorceee going out to celebrate the failure.
I agree, and he never implied that they were. He was specific in his references to bishops and politicians.It is documented that the SOLT wanted him back.
They were there to provide support for him in this trying time.
These are not the actions of people that wanted him out.
No.So he is giving up his faculties so he can speak on politcal topics?
Saying what? That he wanted to speak on political issues?Code:I do not recall Corapi saying this.
It is clearly a modern secular image. However, the function of a leash is to constrain the movement of the one to whom it is attached. Priests are constrained by canon law, and one of those constraints (or “leashes”) is involvement in politics.I have bolded the parts of your response to me that I wish to remark on. “Constrained by” is one thing, using the term “unleashed,” implying that one has been as a dog on a leash, is a different matter. A leashed dog is not the image that Jesus nor Mary wishes us to consider ourselves, in my world. Jesus is not the “Soul Whisperer,” like Cesar Milan, with a tight collar around our necks, being our “pack leader.”
Yes. These being unsettling to many, clearly.Code:Whatever John Corapi's motivations at this point, he is using some very unusual metaphors and symbolism to represent himself and his new ministry.
Thank you. I don’t either. We are encouraged to discuss, but we have to be “constrained” in how we go about it.I should say, “In MY opinion, he has taken the wrong path.” Sorry for any presumption, I certainly do not want to get this thread shut down nor do I want to be suspended for questioning what is going on with John Corapi.
From your mouth (or keyboard) to God’s ears.May God give John Corapi wisdom and foresight in the future. May God also grant his followers strength and commitment to the Pope, the Bishops and the Magisterium.

This is judgemental of you, Scout, and this kind of attitude is what the Moderator enjoined us to avoid.I’ve bought several of his cd’s and listened to them many times of the years. I’ve watched him on television and seen him at a conference several years ago. He’s helped me learn more about the church before, during, and after my conversion.
I think his leaving is an act of cowardice. He’s always talked about fighting. Well, stay and fight. Don’t tuck tail and run, saying “woe is me” and talk about how unfair the system is.
Yes, I agree that there are things wrong with the system. Of course there are. It’s made of people. But you don’t fix a sinking boat from the outside because you’re not going to be able to tread water long enough to point out everybody else’s mistakes.
Scout
vz71, I am 100% with you on this. The “unleashing” term is reprehensible. Its an insult to the Church. Your analogy is correct. I was divorced after a long, oppressive marriage, but a celebration of broken vows and a broken home is something that is just too crass. Our Lord would have blushed (when he could blush!). Yet people do this shameful thing. Its the way of the world. Corapi’s actions give me a similar sense of shame.He will never function as a priest again, and it is his own actions that have seen to it.
Describing this as ‘unleashed’ is reprehensible.
I find usage of the term in this way to be very simlar to a recent divorceee going out to celebrate the failure.
It is documented that the SOLT wanted him back.
They were there to provide support for him in this trying time.
These are not the actions of people that wanted him out.
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Guanophone! I don’t see anything wrong with the way Scout stated his opinion! He said, “I think”. Let people think and express their opinions!This is judgemental of you, Scout, and this kind of attitude is what the Moderator enjoined us to avoid…
He’s not just thinking of himself here. He knows he has a considerable audience within the Church and he doesn’t want any division sown in the Church because of what he’s going through…ergo he loves the Catholic Church… smart tactical move in my opinion - really limits the amount of damage the Adversary is able to wreak." I will not try to fight this unjust and irrational situation for the simple reason that I don’t want to be placed in an adversarial posture against the Church ! "