Fr. John Corapi

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There have been accusations from many directions. Little has moved past that. Many are distressed by his decision to give up his priesthood to continue his ministry.

The best course of action is to pray for all those involved.​

just as a side note. He has never taken a vow of poverty. While we don’t usually think about the bank accounts and property owned by priests - it is not in and of itself forbidden.

I know a priest who drives a fairly new Mercedes. Does it cause scandal - possibly. But for all I know, it may not even owned by him (very possible it’s use is being donated by a parishioner). He has mentioned recently planning on purchasing a house. His reasoning is that retired diocesan priests are responsible for their own housing - and this would potentially limit that future cost for him (plus it’s central location would allow him to assist at many parishes). In the meanwhile he was considering offering it’s use for retreats. Good investments are not always a sin
 
Elizium23 said:
SOLT is not an order, but rather a Society of Apostolic Life. Members in a society such as this do not make religious vows.
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Hi Elizum,

In light of this, I may need to admit that what I said about the rule of a religious order may not apply here. I do still reserve judgement, but I’ll say again that the allegations can’t be dismissed as the sorts of sins that “we all commit”. He needs to be shown to be largely innocent of any wrongdoing; otherwise he has been discredited as a spiritual leader- though of course repentence is still quite open to him as to anyone.

God Bless,
Joan
 
JRRTFAN said:
I don’t know what you mean by “hearsay”.
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Nec 5 at 8:36 gave a good response.

With more than 20 years auditing experience, I am slow to reach any conclusion until all the facts are proven and evaluated against proper criteria.

So many well meaning and honest professionals want me to take their word, and their word ONLY. Most of the time, however, they lack knowledge of ALL the facts and have rushed to judgment.

This is why a thorough investigation is required before we can conclude anything.

If anyone reading this thread felt he or she was falsely accused, that person would want the benefit of the doubt. We owe Father Corapi the benefit of the doubt (very American AND Christian of us) until the results of the investigation are made public.

It is prudent to be patient and let the system work it out.
 
Elizium23 said:
SOLT is not an order, but rather a Society of Apostolic Life. Members in a society such as this do not make religious vows.
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WRONG. Secular priests take vows (not one to poverty however) as do priests in societies such as the Jesuits. SOLT does have poverty language in their vows but it was not in place when Corapi entered the society. He would have been required to make them had he remained in the Society.

Just follow the money. That will tell a great deal about the life he has lived…
 
In the Ave, we say: " Pray for** US** sinners"…:byzsoc::byzsoc::byzsoc:
 
promethius said:
He says he has resigned his priesthood, but he has not been laicized. For the time being, he remains a priest, though if the situation goes on too long his order will likely put him up for the process…
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Perhaps I have not kept up with this, but at least initially, he announced he was giving up the his public ministry as a priest. I do not recall him saying he was giving up the priesthood. Technically, I suspect his jurisdiction to administer the sacraments has been suspended - so he can not publicly minister as a priest validly anyway.
 
ElToro said:
WRONG. Secular priests take vows (not one to poverty however) as do priests in societies such as the Jesuits. SOLT does have poverty language in their vows but it was not in place when Corapi entered the society. He would have been required to make them had he remained in the Society.

Just follow the money. That will tell a great deal about the life he has lived…
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No, wrong. Secular priests, and priests in SOLT, make promises, which are different from vows.
 
Elizium23 said:
No, wrong. Secular priests, and priests in SOLT, make promises, which are different from vows.
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No. For the sake of this discussion we are talking about one in the same. The one distinction is that secular priests do not make a vow/promise of poverty – although most priests who belong to a religious society do make such vows/promises.

The fact is Corapi did not make such a vow/promise – as it was not required of SOLT when he joined. It is required now and it would have been required of Corapi had be remained a member of the society.
 
I guess I do not understand the distinction. I was raised that a promise is a promise. You do not go back on your word. Perhaps the Catholic understanding (and Fr. Corapi’s)has a loophole a vow does not. All I can say, I was raised not to break either.
 
ElToro said:
No. For the sake of this discussion we are talking about one in the same. The one distinction is that secular priests do not make a vow/promise of poverty – although most priests who belong to a religious society do make such vows/promises.

The fact is Corapi did not make such a vow/promise – as it was not required of SOLT when he joined. It is required now and it would have been required of Corapi had be remained a member of the society.
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You are conflating terminology that has very specific meaning in the Church. A vow is a promise, yes. It is a promise made to God. Religious make solemn vows at their profession. SOLT members do not make vows to God. They make promises to their superior.
 
Elizium23 said:
You are conflating terminology that has very specific meaning in the Church. A vow is a promise, yes. It is a promise made to God. Religious make solemn vows at their profession. SOLT members do not make vows to God. They make promises to their superior.
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The end effect is the same; you can’t break a promise made to a person any more than you can break a vow made to God. It is the same Hell that you go to, in either case.
 
Actually, that is the difference. A vow ‘binds in conscience according to the gravity of the promise and the intention to obligate oneself under pain of sin’, while promises ‘oblige in justice or charity, with more or less seriousness depending on one’s ability to fulfill a promise and the harm caused to another by not keeping one’s word.’ Breaking a vow is a mortal sin, not necessarily so for a promise.
 
Elizium23 said:
Actually, that is the difference. A vow ‘binds in conscience according to the gravity of the promise and the intention to obligate oneself under pain of sin’, while promises ‘oblige in justice or charity, with more or less seriousness depending on one’s ability to fulfill a promise and the harm caused to another by not keeping one’s word.’ Breaking a vow is a mortal sin, not necessarily so for a promise.
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Hopefully, people aren’t going around breaking their promises because they think it’s “not a mortal sin” to go back on one’s word to another human being (who is, after all, created in the image and likeness of God).
 
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