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7_Sorrows
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I forgot to watch the interview! 
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CilladeRoma
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I have been married for 30 years, I know and understand what you are saying.
However, this is not a perfect world. And sometimes people attempt to make commitments only to realize that it was not at all what they wanted or needed.
I have been in that place of discernment a couple of times during my marriage. My husband has too.
We were able to work things out, but we did separate for a few months.
I have not watched the interview, but I have heard bits & pieces of it. It almost sounds as if he should not have been ordained at all, but was pushed into it by his superiors.
We would call a marriage where one party was āforcedā an invalid attempt at marriage and an annulment would probably be easily had. Why should we not feel the same way about this poor man?
However, this is not a perfect world. And sometimes people attempt to make commitments only to realize that it was not at all what they wanted or needed.
I have been in that place of discernment a couple of times during my marriage. My husband has too.
We were able to work things out, but we did separate for a few months.
I have not watched the interview, but I have heard bits & pieces of it. It almost sounds as if he should not have been ordained at all, but was pushed into it by his superiors.
We would call a marriage where one party was āforcedā an invalid attempt at marriage and an annulment would probably be easily had. Why should we not feel the same way about this poor man?
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13pollitos
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I am glad you and your spouse persevered and have found better days.
Tis_Bearself
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No worries, itās online so you can still see it.
video.foxnews.com
Jonathan Morris speaks out about leaving the priesthood | Fox News Video
Jonathan Morris discusses the difficult decision to leave the Catholic priesthood on 'The Story.'
video.foxnews.com
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7_Sorrows
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@Tis_Bearself did you post the video in your post? It did not show up in your post on my
Kindle.
Kindle.
Tis_Bearself
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Yes, the video is in my post. I can play it from my laptop. Maybe your Kindle has some kind of adblock or something that affects videos coming up?
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7_Sorrows
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I will see if I can google it. Usually, videos appear when people post them.
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7_Sorrows
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Oh, wait! I scrolled up and it is showing now!
Thanks! @Tis_Bearself
Thanks! @Tis_Bearself
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vsedriver
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unfortunately the courts get to decide the level of support you will get. Rarely do you live at the same level as before unless you are the main breadwinner making the most bucks.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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And yet another reason I wonāt give the go-ahead to anybody to leave their marriage because they donāt āfeel it anymoreā
Tis_Bearself
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Two good recent pieces on Jonathan Morris, from Catholic World Report and OnePeterFive. I thought the Catholic World Report one was especially interesting as itās written by a seminary formator.
onepeterfive.com
Why Iām Not So Quick to Judge Jonathan Morris for Leaving the Priesthood
Last night, I watched the interview that the now laicized Fr. Jonathan Morris gave to Martha MacCallum on Fox News, where heās been a contributor for many years. A lot of folks are very unhappy withā¦
onepeterfive.com
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Irishmom2
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Wow, that OnePeterFive article was eye-opening!
So sad that this is what was/is going on. Like a cult for certain.
So sad that this is what was/is going on. Like a cult for certain.
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F_Marturana
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I had seen a segment of the interview with Martha McCullen. What struck me is how he wanted to leave the seminary before ordination, and instead of being taken seriously, he was pushed to ignore the issue to not tell and was convinced to be ordained or heād let people down.
Thatās not the way to treat a vulnerable person.
Thatās not the way to treat a vulnerable person.
Tis_Bearself
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The thing is, Iāve read almost the exact same stuff about Opus Dei, even though their founder is a canonized saint instead of an evil child molester.
Iāve also read about it in connection with some religious orders and with the Neocat Way. It seems to be a not uncommon model and I would imagine that the people who are most affected are those who are less independent at a young age and less able to reject the authority figureās statement that theyāre hellbound if they leave the group, etc.
In all these groups there also seem to be people who donāt have complaints or say they found the group spiritually helpful. So itās pretty confusing.
Iāve also read about it in connection with some religious orders and with the Neocat Way. It seems to be a not uncommon model and I would imagine that the people who are most affected are those who are less independent at a young age and less able to reject the authority figureās statement that theyāre hellbound if they leave the group, etc.
In all these groups there also seem to be people who donāt have complaints or say they found the group spiritually helpful. So itās pretty confusing.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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These types of organizations cause so much suffering to their members, but then thereās also the ripple effect of when they lose their faith and encourage others to do so, also. 
Tis_Bearself
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Just to play devilās advocate, there are some who would put the entire Church also in the category of āThese types of organizationsā.
As for āwhen they lose their faith and encourage others to do soā, the question is, do they ALL lose their faith?
There are certainly lots of Opus Dei members running around professing great faith.
The Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi also still seem to be around and active.
The Legion of Christ webpage alone is pretty impressive and exciting looking. One would hope they have changed their formation tactics.
These organizations very likely result in a positive experience for some people, whether itās because some of the formators and leaders arenāt as awful as the ones we read about, or maybe somebody else just is a better fit or adapts to it better.
Hard to judge.
As for āwhen they lose their faith and encourage others to do soā, the question is, do they ALL lose their faith?
There are certainly lots of Opus Dei members running around professing great faith.
The Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi also still seem to be around and active.
The Legion of Christ webpage alone is pretty impressive and exciting looking. One would hope they have changed their formation tactics.
These organizations very likely result in a positive experience for some people, whether itās because some of the formators and leaders arenāt as awful as the ones we read about, or maybe somebody else just is a better fit or adapts to it better.
Hard to judge.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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On a slightly off-topic, Iāve noticed that some of the most virulent anti-Catholics are ex-seminarians.
To me it shows that bad formation can have a runaway cascading effect.
To me it shows that bad formation can have a runaway cascading effect.
Tis_Bearself
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They probably went into seminary with some idealized concept and discovered everybody in there was a rotten sinful hypocrite instead. Iāve known one or two of those guys.
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