Fr. Martin: "interesting: Where the Bible mentions

[Tbrightson]

Yep…What purpose would it be for Martin to quote a heresy and call it “interesting”…Most of us didnt just fall off the turnip wagon.

 

[OraLabora]

I disagree. I have yet to hear of someone saying they should be allowed to get loaded since they’re genetically predisposed to it (born that way, in layman’s terms).

But even if they did, but showed up sober in the communion line, nobody on CAF would bat an eyelid.

LGBQT on the other hand…

 

[irenaeus1]

Fr. Martin just quoted theologian Walter Wink, and said his article was “interesting.”

Anything else, is added by the reader.

All of the criticism in this thread of Fr. Martin is misplaced projection.

Actually, Fr. Martin is the one who added. He surmised that based upon the “interesting” point made by Wink, “[t]he issue is precisely whether the biblical judgment [regarding homosexual acts] is correct.” In other words, Fr. Martin is proposing for consideration that Wink may be correct and that scripture may in fact be in error.

 

[melonhead]

melonhead:

I disagree. I have yet to hear of someone saying they should be allowed to get loaded since they’re genetically predisposed to it (born that way, in layman’s terms).

But even if they did, but showed up sober in the communion line, nobody on CAF would bat an eyelid.

LGBQT on the other hand…

I don’t think anyone here would have issues with someone struggling with substance addiction saying he went to confession with full intent to not sin again, received Communion the next day, yet stumbled 3 days after and had to start the process over.

I don’t think anyone here would have issues with someone struggling with same sex attraction saying he went to confession with full intent to not sin again, received Communion the next day, yet stumbled 3 days after and had to start the process over.

The difference is that I don’t know of any drug or alcohol addicts who march in parades celebrating their pride in their activities, demanding the Church change Her teachings on said sinful actions.

 

[Emeraldlady]

I for one think it is a necessary discussion in the Church. Sometimes some elements in the Church try to restrict “access” to God (at least to the sacraments) to vulnerable minorities who are in most need of God and evangelization. Fortunately nobody in the Church has been able to prevent the LGBQT who are believers from praying to God. Some who are so rapid to condemn the LGBQT may be surprised by who they meet in Heaven.

I would count this as my position as well. I don’t have anyone close who is gay to have first hand understanding of the struggle it is to be gay and Catholic, but just on a human level, I can hope that we can have conversations in charity. On a spiritual level knowing what a great grace and blessing it is to be able to receive Christ in the Sacraments, really and truly, it is only natural to want that wonderful thing for everyone. Why would we not want to have a fruitful dialogue within the Church that will invoke the Holy Spirits help for others?

 

[Titivillus]

[ASIDE]

Slavery might not have been intrinsicly evil at the time of Jesus.
Now, in the 21st century, I think you can safely make the case that it is intrinsicly evil to enslave another human being.

I don’t think you can make that case, since an intrinsic property is by definition one that does not change with time nor other circumstance.

 

[OraLabora]

I don’t think you can make that case, since an intrinsic property is by definition one that does not change with time nor other circumstance.

Intrinsic or not, the current position of the Church on slavery is crystal clear:

2414 The seventh commandment forbids acts or enterprises that for any reason - selfish or ideological, commercial, or totalitarian - lead to the enslavement of human beings, to their being bought, sold and exchanged like merchandise, in disregard for their personal dignity. It is a sin against the dignity of persons and their fundamental rights to reduce them by violence to their productive value or to a source of profit. St. Paul directed a Christian master to treat his Christian slave "no longer as a slave but more than a slave, as a beloved brother, . . . both in the flesh and in the Lord.

(ccc)

 

[Titivillus]

the current position of the Church on slavery is crystal clear

I know no one who would intelligently argue otherwise.
Certainly I neither did not nor would not.