Fr Michael Pfleger arrested

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Bennie_P said:
:confused: I still don’t see how you get that, do mean that you allow here to go hunting by herself?:confused:
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I see no reason why a 16 year old, who has a hunting license and has passed the hunter safety training classes, can’t go out hunting with his or her friends. We trust them with cars, and statistically cars in the hands of 16 year olds cause far more accidental deaths than do children who are hunting. Why should we not trust responsible teens with guns? Why should my child not be allowed to go into my back “yard” and bring back a pheasant for dinner? Not everyone lives in the city. My back yard is a 30+ acre soybean field, plus several acres of woods, streams and hills. Are you saying she is not safe in my own yard? If you mean to imply that, then maybe I didn’t move far enough outside of Chicago!!!
 
Sheeniac said:
Bennie wrote: Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

Our love of guns? You mean the love of guns in the hearts of criminals? The love of violence in the hearts of criminals?

I won’t bother arguing any of the facts with you. They are all over this forum, and other places on the web. I doubt you would care about it but would rather spout the same old senseless arguments.

If only Fr. Pfleger would put as much energy into spreading the Gospel… but instead he would rather use his collar as a way to gain fame, publicity and push liberal social causes.

Pope St. Pius X, please pray for Fr. Pfleger.
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I do pray for him …and a friend of his here…who both are involved in Pax Christi …
 
aimee said:
I do pray for him …and a friend of his here…who both are involved in Pax Christi …
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I looked over the Pax Christi website. I’m not really sure how Catholic they are? Did you check out the jewelry they sell? All they have are “peace” signs. Nothing wrong with that, but where is the Catholicism in it?

I see nothing overtly wrong with Pax Christi, it does seem to be very ‘earth centered’ in orientation. They are obviously pacifists and I wonder how that relates to defending our faith? Perhaps it is just pacifists toward war? I honestly have not studied the group enough to make a very good judgment, but my initial impression is that it is a liberal sect of the Church, possibly espousing Christian socialism? (which seems to be an oxymoron)

While I do agree with non-violence and while I generally am anti-war, I don’t believe in being unprepared for problems. The movement does seem to fly in the face of the Catechism’s view of self defense in its mission statement when it states: Pax Christi USA strives to create a world that reflects the Peace of Christ by exploring, articulating, and witnessing to the call of Christian nonviolence. This work begins in personal life and extends to communities of reflection and action to transform structures of society. Pax Christi USA rejects war, preparations for war, and every form of violence and domination.

How is this quote from the Pax Christi website Catholic? *“The earth is too small a star and we too brief a visitor upon it for anything to matter more than the struggle for peace.”
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If I lived closer to Chicago, I’d be a little tempted to visit Chuck’s Gun Shop in my cassock and maybe come out with a gun or a mess of ammo…👍
 
Sheeniac said:
Bennie wrote: Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

Our love of guns? You mean the love of guns in the hearts of criminals? The love of violence in the hearts of criminals?

I won’t bother arguing any of the facts with you. They are all over this forum, and other places on the web. I doubt you would care about it but would rather spout the same old senseless arguments.

If only Fr. Pfleger would put as much energy into spreading the Gospel… but instead he would rather use his collar as a way to gain fame, publicity and push liberal social causes.

Pope St. Pius X, please pray for Fr. Pfleger.
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The fact is we are a nation that puts material things above God. It goes from the top to the bottom. We mock God by calling ourselves a Christian Nation. The love of material things and consumerism is the root of violence and immorality in this country. The issue of gun violence was far from my mind until the gun lobby lobbed a grenade of scandalization against Fr Pfleger becuase of his stand against gun violence. They want to bring him down because they love thier toys. But as I dug deeper in all that is going on in his parish, his parish could and would put many parishs to shame in what they are doing to help the poor, famlies and the youth in thier community. They say you will know them by thier fruit. I don’t agree with the way he does things, but much of his fruit is good and his parish is benefiting from his activism.

Some of the comments I have seen written ( there have been several threads started aimed at scandalizing him under seemingly different topics) about his parish, have been borderline racist and aimed at to discredit him and his Bishop.
saintsabina.org/images/action/stop-guns-sign-mini.gif
Some posters try to a make it appear that the Official Church teaching is against Gun Control in any form. Gun ownership and regulation of gun ownership is an issue that Good Catholics can lean one way or the other - it even has been suggested in a few post that if a Catholic was for gun control then they most likely are for abortion also - so much untrue.🤷

The arguments are sensless, for most of them are based on fear fueled by the greed of gun dealers and manufactors.My :twocents:

:blessyou: Holy Mary Mother of God - Pray for the Church in America -
 
aimee said:
Hello Chicago mon ami , I understand what you are saying …sorry, but I can’t agree…to ignore them and laugh, no…

Fr P goes from one thing to another becoming outraged …too bad he has become unreasonable. He is very much like J. Jackson.:rolleyes:
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Fr. Phleger had been a parish priest at my former parish–which maintains a sharing parish relationship with St. Sabina’s to the present. While I do not agree or support all of Pfleger’s tactics or affiliations (“Rev.” Jackson being the most disturbing) I have to say he has has managed to energize and unite a black, inner-city, impoverished parish in ways few others could ever have hoped. His passion and commitment are real–even if his approach may at times be divisive.
 
Island_Oak said:
Fr. Phleger had been a parish priest at my former parish–which maintains a sharing parish relationship with St. Sabina’s to the present. While I do not agree or support all of Pfleger’s tactics or affiliations (“Rev.” Jackson being the most disturbing) I have to say he has has managed to energize and unite a black, inner-city, impoverished parish in ways few others could ever have hoped. His passion and commitment are real–even if his approach may at times be divisive.
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I understand what you are saying and I agree in some ways but I think he has become more than divisive. His activism has become first seems to me…and has taken over…
 
melensdad said:
I looked over the Pax Christi website. I’m not really sure how Catholic they are? Did you check out the jewelry they sell? All they have are “peace” signs. Nothing wrong with that, but where is the Catholicism in it?

I see nothing overtly wrong with Pax Christi, it does seem to be very ‘earth centered’ in orientation. They are obviously pacifists and I wonder how that relates to defending our faith? Perhaps it is just pacifists toward war? I honestly have not studied the group enough to make a very good judgment, but my initial impression is that it is a liberal sect of the Church, possibly espousing Christian socialism? (which seems to be an oxymoron)

While I do agree with non-violence and while I generally am anti-war, I don’t believe in being unprepared for problems. The movement does seem to fly in the face of the Catechism’s view of self defense in its mission statement when it states: Pax Christi USA strives to create a world that reflects the Peace of Christ by exploring, articulating, and witnessing to the call of Christian nonviolence. This work begins in personal life and extends to communities of reflection and action to transform structures of society. Pax Christi USA rejects war, preparations for war, and every form of violence and domination.

How is this quote from the Pax Christi website Catholic? *“The earth is too small a star and we too brief a visitor upon it for anything to matter more than the struggle for peace.”
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This group may be the most widely recognized leftist organization to American Catholics. Long a proponent of nonviolence, Pax Christi promotes “action to transform structures of society.” Aligned with liberation theology, “ecological justice,” and the usual litany of modernist demands. A member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
www.ourladyswarriors.org
 
aimee said:
I do pray for him …and a friend of his here…who both are involved in Pax Christi …
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I hope you are not indicating that I am involved in Pax Christi, for bearing false witness is a no, no:tsktsk: Or are you offering a sign of peace?

:blessyou:
 
aimee said:
Long a proponent of nonviolence, Pax Christi promotes “action to transform structures of society.” Aligned with liberation theology, “ecological justice,” and the usual litany of modernist demands. A member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
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To me, this sounds vague and perhaps a bit wild. The only concrete statement, that it belongs to Catholic Organizations for Renewal (COR), seems to be false. Although the Maine chapter of Pax Christi belongs to COR, the rest of the organization does not. cta-usa.org/COR.html
(the membership list begins about 1/3 of the way down the page)
 
Bennie_P said:
I hope you are not indicating that I am involved in Pax Christi, for bearing false witness is a no, no:tsktsk: Or are you offering a sign of peace?

:blessyou:
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Are you from Ga…?😉 I was speaking of someone here…in the ATL area.
 
Dale_M said:
To me, this sounds vague, and perhaps a bit wild. The only concrete statement, that it belongs to Catholic Organizations for Renewal (COR), seems to be false. Although the Maine chapter of Pax Christi belongs to COR, the rest of the organization does not. cta-usa.org/COR.html
(the membership list begins about 1/3 of the way down the page)
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They are a dissinting organization …now as for the post being vague it is a generalizied statement…not a detailed one…
You can explore it yourself if you care to…but if so, another thread or perhaps a search of this forum will provide you with another thread to discuss it…
 
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Originally Posted by Sheeniac forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Bennie wrote: Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

Our love of guns? You mean the love of guns in the hearts of criminals? The love of violence in the hearts of criminals?

I won’t bother arguing any of the facts with you. They are all over this forum, and other places on the web. I doubt you would care about it but would rather spout the same old senseless arguments.

If only Fr. Pfleger would put as much energy into spreading the Gospel… but instead he would rather use his collar as a way to gain fame, publicity and push liberal social causes.

Pope St. Pius X, please pray for Fr. Pfleger.

I do pray for him …and a friend of his here…who both are involved in Pax Christi …
aimee said:
Are you from Ga…?😉 I was speaking of someone here…in the ATL area.
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If you noticed I was being quoted by the person you quoted when you made the comment. :mad:
who would admit to be from Ga?.Oh?😊 sorry:blush:
 
aimee said:
I do pray for him …and a friend of his here…who both are involved in Pax Christi …
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I don’t see a very Christian response toward this Priest. When another Priest bombed a women’s clinic was that ok? He was an extreme Conservative. He took this too far. People need to pray for all
the Priests. You may not agree with their Philosophies but pray for them. I’d still like to know what happened to the “Playboy” Priest he use to call himself years ago on EWTN.
Peace
 
sosayi1960 said:
I don’t see a very Christian response toward this Priest. **When another Priest bombed a women’s clinic was that ok? **He was an extreme Conservative. He took this too far. People need to pray for all
the Priests. You may not agree with their Philosophies but pray for them. I’d still like to know what happened to the “Playboy” Priest he use to call himself years ago on EWTN.
Peace
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I’m sorry but which priest are talking about?🤷 I know of ax-wielding priest that drove his car into a closed Abortion Mill, which wasn’t very cool thing to do, but I haven’t heard of priest that bombed any clininc?

“Playboy” priest? Dohttp://www.fathercorapi.com/images/frcorapi.jpg you mean Father Corapi?
I think many of us here are praying for more priest like HIm.

Can I get an Amen?
 
Bennie_P said:
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Originally Posted by Sheeniac forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Bennie wrote: Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

Our love of guns? You mean the love of guns in the hearts of criminals? The love of violence in the hearts of criminals?

I won’t bother arguing any of the facts with you. They are all over this forum, and other places on the web. I doubt you would care about it but would rather spout the same old senseless arguments.

If only Fr. Pfleger would put as much energy into spreading the Gospel… but instead he would rather use his collar as a way to gain fame, publicity and push liberal social causes.

Pope St. Pius X, please pray for Fr. Pfleger.

I do pray for him …and a friend of his here…who both are involved in Pax Christi …

If you noticed I was being quoted by the person you quoted when you made the comment. :mad:
who would admit to be from Ga?.Oh?😊 sorry:blush:
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😛 😛
 
sosayi1960 said:
I don’t see a very Christian response toward this Priest. When another Priest bombed a women’s clinic was that ok? He was an extreme Conservative. He took this too far. People need to pray for all
the Priests. You may not agree with their Philosophies but pray for them. I’d still like to know what happened to the “Playboy” Priest he use to call himself years ago on EWTN.
Peace
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No priest bombed a clinic!:mad:
 
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