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Pat_Penisten
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Is Fr. Nicholas Gruner still considered a Priest in good standing with the Church? Some Church officials say he is not, but Fr. Gruner suggests volumously that he has never been relieved of his office or duties.
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WitnessToHope
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Interesting you should ask as I was wondering the same thing the other day. I saw a book about him at my local Catholic bookstore, I believe it was titled, “The Fatima Priest” and I thought I had heard he was not. When I googled his name, I found web sites that say he is and others that say he is not. I’d be interested in knowing his state as well and also what he has done that would create such controversy.
In Christ,
Witness To Hope
In Christ,
Witness To Hope
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FATIMAisUrgent
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What I would suggest to everyone who is unsure about Fr. Nicholas Gruner’s status is to go to his website www.fatima.org and read about it yourself. But before you check into it yourself, make sure you take your rose colored glasses off. If you believe that every single opinion, statement, insinuation, or alleged position, of a Cardinal, or even of a pope, is above question or criticism, then you are a blind sheep and I pray that you open your eyes. If you believe that EWTN is the infalliable magisterium of the Church, then you are certainly in trouble. What I’m getting at is you need to at least consider the possibility that we are living through the most confusing and dangerous time in the history of the Church. Please do not blindly accept and spead the calumnious lies about Fr. Gruner, but instead examine his case and make an informed judgement. If you do this, I am almost certain you will come to the same conclusion I did. Fr. Gruner is persecuted because he tells the truth. He is not suspended or unfaithful to the Catholic Church.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Blessed Francisco Marto of Fatima, pray for us!
Blessed Jacinta Marto of Fatima, pray for us!
By the way, Fr. Gruner’s work and his Fatima Crusader magazine have the Apostolic Blessing and approval of Pope John Paul II !!! Fancy that.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Blessed Francisco Marto of Fatima, pray for us!
Blessed Jacinta Marto of Fatima, pray for us!
By the way, Fr. Gruner’s work and his Fatima Crusader magazine have the Apostolic Blessing and approval of Pope John Paul II !!! Fancy that.
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WitnessToHope
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Well, I can’t speak for others but I am very much aware that EWTN is not the Magisterium. 
That said, I’m looking for an objective, factual accounting of what Father Gruner’s status is with the Church and what the issues are if he is not in good standing? One item that I’ve read online is that Father Gruner disputes the Holy Father’s consecration of Russia to Our Lady. Right now I’m reading “John Paul II: The Pope Who Understood Fatima”. According to the author, Eduardo Siguenza, Russia was consecrated to Our Lady on March 25, 1984. Sister Lucia, one of the Fatima seers, confirmed that the conditions were fulfilled, unlike previous attempts at consecration.
So does anyone know if this is the cause of the conflict? Also, does anyone have an objective link that can articulate the facts?
Witness To Hope
That said, I’m looking for an objective, factual accounting of what Father Gruner’s status is with the Church and what the issues are if he is not in good standing? One item that I’ve read online is that Father Gruner disputes the Holy Father’s consecration of Russia to Our Lady. Right now I’m reading “John Paul II: The Pope Who Understood Fatima”. According to the author, Eduardo Siguenza, Russia was consecrated to Our Lady on March 25, 1984. Sister Lucia, one of the Fatima seers, confirmed that the conditions were fulfilled, unlike previous attempts at consecration.So does anyone know if this is the cause of the conflict? Also, does anyone have an objective link that can articulate the facts?
Witness To Hope
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LilyM
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Why would I believe what Fr Gruners website has to say about him any more than I’d necessarily believe someone who avowedly had a grudge against him? Both are equally likely to be biased.
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Brennan_Doherty
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Fr. Gruner’s website states that the Consecration to Russia has not taken place and that the full Third Secret has not been revealed. That is the source of the conflict. And while someone certainly can attempt to read both sides of the story in regards to Fr. Gruner’s suspension, I hope people keep in mind that the arguments saying that the Consecration has not taken place and that the Third Secret has not been fully revealed have nothing to do whatsoever with whether or not Fr. Gruner is suspended. The arguments stand or fall on their own.Well, I can’t speak for others but I am very much aware that EWTN is not the Magisterium.
So does anyone know if this is the cause of the conflict? Also, does anyone have an objective link that can articulate the facts?
Witness To Hope
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Jenny_Z
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From the fatima.org website:
Any armchair cannon lawyers (or real ones) who can verify that an appeal would suspend the effect of the Bishop’s order?
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jrabs
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hmmmm, to take HIS word based on HIS website does not sound like a reasonable unbiased solution. Does it?
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fin
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I’m kind of scared, because I receive mail from his Fatima crusader movement. They keep on sending me stuff and I don’t want to anymore. I’m not sure about Fr. Gruner and his movement. They may be disobedient.
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fin
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I haven’t. Should I send them a snail mail reply, saying I don’t want them anymore? When I do this, should I write ‘return to sender’?
Sorry, I haven’t tried these things.
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parvenu74
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And if we’re not sure about the writings or personalities of Luther or Cramner or Calvin, are we supposed to read them and make up our own minds without regard to what the Church teaches? If someone thinks that Father Gruner is saying something contrary to Church teaching and they heed your advice to read his work and make up their own minds they commit a mortal sin against the Faith, not because of Father Gruner and his writings but for placing their own ability to discern the truth above the teaching authority of the Church. How is this different, in spirit, than protestantism?
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Pax_et_Caritas
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We live in a day when the good are persecuted and the evil are left alone.
The Priests who commit the most outrageous abuses at Mass are left alone; the priest who use invalid matter, and purposefully do not say the words of consecration are left alone by their Bishop. Priest who lead their flock astray through heresy are left alone. Priests who molest boys are protected by their Bishop, and moved from parish to parish.
What was Fr. Gruner’s crime, for which he was suspended? He was not accused of anything mentioned above. He has never been accused of heresy, or liturgical abuses, or child molestation. In fact, he has never been accused of anything at all inapropriate.
His sole crime is that he is not incardinated into a diocese. And why is he not incardinated into a diocese? Because whenever he finds a Bishop to incardinate him, his enemies in Rome - the modernists - send a letter to that Bishop telling him not to incardinate Fr. Gruner. That is his crime for which he was suspended.
The saintly Fr. Gruner is calumniated and slandered by just about everyone (and they will answer for it on judgment day). If you want to know what his real crime is, it is this: He promotes the true message of Fatima and has the courage to say what almost no one else will: that the Pope must consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by heaven, and that we did not get the entire third secret.
One of the few others who had the courage to say what everyone else knows, but will not say, was Mother Angelica
MOTHER ANGELICA, May 16, 2001: "As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those individuals who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing. There. I told ya! I mean, you have the right to your own opinion, don’t you, Father? There, you know, that’s my opinion. Because I think it’s scary."
Mother Angelica had the courage to say what any reasonable person who has seen both sides would say. And if there is still anyone who thinks that Russia was consecrated by John Paul II in 1984, or thinks we were given the entire third secret in 2000, all they need to do is read Fr. Gruner’s website… but they won’t. And why is that? Because the enemies of the truth have been very successful in slandering him to the point that no one will consider any of the evidence he provides. They are very smart for doing that, since the evidence will convince anyone who still has the ability to think.
But it is no longer only the saintly Fr. Gruner who is saying it. It has now been admitted by Archbishop Capovilla, the secretary of John XXIII himself, who was present when John XXIII first opened the third secret and who is one of only two living people know to have read it. In fact, the handwritten note on the front of the Third Secret was written by Archbishop Capovilla. He recently admitted to an Italian journalist - who wrote a book on the third secret (and he has the admission on tape) - that there are two parts to the third secret, and that Rome refuses to release the second part.
The evidence is so overwhelming that no one with any sense would be able to read it and conclude any differently. All you have to do is read what John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger said about the third secret before the year 2000 ( when only a portion of it was given). What they described then has absolutely nothing to do with what we were given in 2000.
Most people have been so deceived by the liars that they refuse to look at both sides. That is their choice, but they need to realize that if they take part in slandering this good and innocent Priest, they will answer for it on judgment day… and it won’t be pretty.
The Priests who commit the most outrageous abuses at Mass are left alone; the priest who use invalid matter, and purposefully do not say the words of consecration are left alone by their Bishop. Priest who lead their flock astray through heresy are left alone. Priests who molest boys are protected by their Bishop, and moved from parish to parish.
What was Fr. Gruner’s crime, for which he was suspended? He was not accused of anything mentioned above. He has never been accused of heresy, or liturgical abuses, or child molestation. In fact, he has never been accused of anything at all inapropriate.
His sole crime is that he is not incardinated into a diocese. And why is he not incardinated into a diocese? Because whenever he finds a Bishop to incardinate him, his enemies in Rome - the modernists - send a letter to that Bishop telling him not to incardinate Fr. Gruner. That is his crime for which he was suspended.
The saintly Fr. Gruner is calumniated and slandered by just about everyone (and they will answer for it on judgment day). If you want to know what his real crime is, it is this: He promotes the true message of Fatima and has the courage to say what almost no one else will: that the Pope must consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by heaven, and that we did not get the entire third secret.
One of the few others who had the courage to say what everyone else knows, but will not say, was Mother Angelica
MOTHER ANGELICA, May 16, 2001: "As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those individuals who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing. There. I told ya! I mean, you have the right to your own opinion, don’t you, Father? There, you know, that’s my opinion. Because I think it’s scary."
Mother Angelica had the courage to say what any reasonable person who has seen both sides would say. And if there is still anyone who thinks that Russia was consecrated by John Paul II in 1984, or thinks we were given the entire third secret in 2000, all they need to do is read Fr. Gruner’s website… but they won’t. And why is that? Because the enemies of the truth have been very successful in slandering him to the point that no one will consider any of the evidence he provides. They are very smart for doing that, since the evidence will convince anyone who still has the ability to think.
But it is no longer only the saintly Fr. Gruner who is saying it. It has now been admitted by Archbishop Capovilla, the secretary of John XXIII himself, who was present when John XXIII first opened the third secret and who is one of only two living people know to have read it. In fact, the handwritten note on the front of the Third Secret was written by Archbishop Capovilla. He recently admitted to an Italian journalist - who wrote a book on the third secret (and he has the admission on tape) - that there are two parts to the third secret, and that Rome refuses to release the second part.
The evidence is so overwhelming that no one with any sense would be able to read it and conclude any differently. All you have to do is read what John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger said about the third secret before the year 2000 ( when only a portion of it was given). What they described then has absolutely nothing to do with what we were given in 2000.
Most people have been so deceived by the liars that they refuse to look at both sides. That is their choice, but they need to realize that if they take part in slandering this good and innocent Priest, they will answer for it on judgment day… and it won’t be pretty.
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Corki
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This doesn’t quite make sense. Is he suspended because he is not incardinated - which seems to be putting the proverbial cart before the horse - or because he continued to say Mass etc. even though he was not incardinated?
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Pax_et_Caritas
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Here’s a link to the sequence of events and some of the details:
fatima.org/news/newsviews/1pager.asp
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jrabs
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Once again…isn’t this HIS website? People - it’s impossible to get unbiased news from a website of the person you are defending.
Can we possibly cite another source?
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Nagoda
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Im sorry but theres no such thing as an unbiased source. Every source is biased to some degree. even objectivity is biased (its gods bias after all, but hes still right).
Now why has the Vatican suspended a priest over something as trivial as fatima? this is ridiculous, its not like he is guilty of doctrinal heresey!
Now why has the Vatican suspended a priest over something as trivial as fatima? this is ridiculous, its not like he is guilty of doctrinal heresey!
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