Fr. Z--Predictions for 2018

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waiting for family atm. so I will find the relevant sections later. Catechism includes horoscopes , seers, predicting the future, in the relevant section.
 
yea, but all of those rely on sources outside of God and ourselves… Father z has done none of the sort.
 
here the weather bureau makes a forecast, based on the science of meteorology.

or a stockmarket forecast based on financial knowledge.

To make a prediction that Trump is going to recognise NK as. nuke state. Given all rhetoric has been to the contrary, is a prediction founded on what ? Its like Nostradamus, a prediction.
 
I got what you meant :). It just bugs me that everyone uses “supernatural” and “preternatural” interchangeably.
 
We already have married Roman rite priests. They became Catholic and received special dispensations from the Holy Father for ordination. I had a married priest at my parish 15 years ago. It wasn’t a big deal.
 
As many have mentioned, married priests would impose a financial burden on the Church. Priests can’t be part-time, and expecting the wife to work is against Catholic social teaching and therefore out of the question.

The Diocese of Little Rock has a few married priests who are converts, and they receive a larger salary on account of their family. This is sustainable only because they are an exception.
 
Most definitely, in the use of language.

I believe we should take extreme care with the language we use, and yes , that language can be quite localised. So I read the word predict and think things that make you go hmm.

Here’s the thing. If I say to a non catholic, a non believer, a new ager, check out what this Priest/ or whomever published in this list, see what he has predicted.

The responses I get will lead to discussions of predictions of people like Nostradamus, false prophets, new age and other fortune telling.

I accept prediction may mean different in the States to here. You say tomato , I say tomato.

However, I still very much disagree with these lists. I believe better language might be

Let’s place an odds on bet of something happening.

We live a Catholic life in a secular world. It’s just so easy to unintentionally confuse and misrepresent ourselves to that secular world.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
I accept prediction may mean different in the States to here. You say tomato , I say tomato.
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Now I’m curious where you are?

To me, in the states, things like “prediction” and that discussion would likely bring up people like newscasters, politicians, economists, that sort of thing. Things like Nostradamus would be extremely strange to bring up.

The other things you mention would probably be called “divination” or “fortune-telling.”
 
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DarkLight said:
To me, in the states, things like “prediction” and that discussion would likely bring up people like newscasters, politicians, economists, that sort of thing.
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I agree. It takes more than the word “predict” to imply a Nostradamus like piece of future telling. Anyone with some domain knowledge can make predictions about he future course of mundane matters, including economics, finance, politics, geo-politics, social events and so on…
 
I very much agree with you. For a Catholic Priest who must know that prophecy is a charism of the Holy Spirit… making a game of predicting Church deliberations and decisions is pretty scandalous.
 
I agree with you so much. I was a EMHC at my last parish, mostly because I was pressured into it, but I really do feel like people were less reverent with the Body and Blood of Christ when I was on duty. I felt like as a female I was a distraction from the Eucharist. Too many people were paying more attention to me (i.e. what I was wearing, the fact I am a woman, etc.) then The Body of Christ before them. When it comes to communion Jesus should be absolutely #1.
 
PRmerger said:
Critical of what aspects of it?
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From reading his posts, I believe he is critical of the Ordinary Form’s vulnerability to liturgical abuses, not that he regards the OF as an abuse itself. He prefers Ad Orientem, not because Facing the People is less valid, but because Ad Orientem makes clearer the supernatural reality of the Mass, which is also true but less obvious in the OF.
 
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I very much agree with you. For a Catholic Priest who must know that prophecy is a charism of the Holy Spirit… making a game of predicting Church deliberations and decisions is pretty scandalous.
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Well, just because the charism guides some predictions, that does not mean Christians cannot predict anything else, using their own God given gifts of discernment. But I agree it is kind of risky, especially predictions about any pope.

In the past, liberal Catholic media, blending into the liberal secular media, was in the habit of predictions that the Church would approve of contraception, or divorce/remarriage, or whatever, in the long run. Thus, someone might read this prediction, and say, well, I may as well act on this now.

It is hard to see any benefit to predictions about Pope Francis or any church official. Predictions about government officials or secular powers are ok; sometimes you need to do good forecasting, so that others can do good planning. Whether you agree with Pope Francis or not - (and I agree with him far less than the 2 previous popes) - he has some sources of guidance I may not see at present.

I have no problems with predictions about president Trump (who I voted for, and would still vote for). He does not have that same potential guidance.
 
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We’re actually on the verge of returning to extreme poverty given that a lot of Western governments are running out of money and a lot of countries in the 2nd and 3rd World wouldn’t even exist without foreign aid.
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Off topic, but it is just this that worries me most about the near future. Western developed nations are indeed running out of money with unsustainable debt and unsustainable entitlement programs. At some point there will be a collapse, but when–is impossible to predict.
 
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At least they’re trying,
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This isn’t good enough. In fact, it often makes things worse.

Also “just trying” won’t past muster for Catholics on Judgement Day. It is nothing more than a Western liberal talking point and a way to avoid doing real, meaningful work.
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instead of wiping out all the protections that had been put in place.
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A lot of these protections don’t really protect anything and just drag down the economy.
 
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My prediction for 2018?

PSG to win the Champions League

Man City to win the Premier League

Tom Brady continue to play into his 40s

Carolina Panthers to be sold & they are going to stay in NC

Me Too movement to affect 2018 midterm election

Mitt Romney to win the Utah US Senate seat

Puerto Rico residents still need more help to recover from Hurricane Irma

March for Life still to be overlooked in the local newspaper

I got more but I think it’s enough for now
 
  1. Pres. Trump will acknowledge North Korea a nuclear state to diffuse the military option.
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Seriously Shirley? Aint no way this side of Heaven.
 
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