Francis: ‘Whoever judges and scorns others is corrupt and a hypocrite’

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irenaeus1 said:
Oh my, are you serious? One must be in a state of grace prior to receiving the Eucharist; therefore, receiving the Eucharist is not a means of ‘achieving the state of grace.’

Also, you can feel free to disagree with what I state, but please provide a counter argument rather than being insulting; this would be appreciated.
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MaryT777 said:
I remember once upon a time on Ask a Priest/Deacon site someone asked a specific question regarding having a son and his male partner over for Thanksgiving if that would be “condoning their sin” and the Priest so eloquently said. Who will be left at your dinner table? What about pre marital sex, those using birth control and he named many Catholic issues and he said you will be left alone. Be careful who you judge for by that standard is which you will be judged by.

Jesus ministered and hosted sinners.

Pope Francis is correct. It’s not an a liberal/conservative issues it’s an issue of mercy and judging others like a Pharisee who were hypocrites.

Mary.

Sorry for the run on sentence; too lazy to correct it to be grammatically acceptable.
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Jesus didn’t condone their sin though.
 
fin said:
It would be well for Pope Francis to follow his own advice. :rolleyes:
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Are you one of those who deems your holiness greater that His Holiness? What’s next, “He eats with sinners and tax collectors?”

Pope Francis is probably the least judgmental person I know of. This sort of snide comment is insulting, mostly to you.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
Jesus didn’t condone their sin though.
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Exactly. So you can actually welcome someone into your home and eat with them (in Jewish terms, enter into friendship with them) without condoning their sin. The two actions are mutually exclusive.
 
Doesn’t anyone find it interesting that Pope Francis is telling some people not to be judgmental and scornful while being judgmental and scornful of the people he is talking to?
 
1neophyte said:
Exactly. So you can actually welcome someone into your home and eat with them (in Jewish terms, enter into friendship with them) without condoning their sin. The two actions are mutually exclusive.
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And the tax collectors and sinners possibly were repentant. Judgements must be made in life. Jesus Himself urged others to judge righteously and not to throw our pearls before swine.
 
Agree with the Pope on this wholeheartedly. God bless him and his views! :highprayer:
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
Those who do not repent and accuse others of “judging” them.
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And has there ever been a moment in your life where that could have described you? Or has each one of your sins been followed by instantaneous repentance?
 
1neophyte said:
And has there ever been a moment in your life where that could have described you? Or has each one of your sins been followed by instantaneous repentance?
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Yeah. I haven’t always repented.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
Yeah. I haven’t always repented.
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Then you must intimately understand Luke 7:36-50. If Jesus hasn’t treated us like swine, then how can we ever dare to treat anyone else that way? Pope Francis is not saying that sin is not sin. He is simply echoing Jesus’ commands. Overcoming sin and achieving righteousness does not put us in a position to scorn others who happen to still be where we once were…especially when there is a very real possibility that we may end up right back there ourselves.
 
1neophyte said:
Then you must intimately understand Luke 7:36-50. If Jesus hasn’t treated us like swine, then how can we ever dare to treat anyone else that way? Pope Francis is not saying that sin is not sin. He is simply echoing Jesus’ commands. Overcoming sin and achieving righteousness does not put us in a position to scorn others who happen to still be where we once were…especially when there is a very real possibility that we may end up right back there ourselves.
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I do wonder. If we are not to judge or condemn actions (note: not souls), how then can people ever hope to come to repentance if they are never informed of their sins? After all, for a great many people, their sins are not obvious, their sins are not something they can intuit. A great many couples live together outside of marriage today–many of those people are not even aware that they are committing grave sin.Therefore, how are sinners ever going to, “go and sin no more,” if they never know they are sinning?
 
irishpatrick said:
I do wonder. If we are not to judge or condemn actions (note: not souls), how then can people ever hope to come to repentance if they are never informed of their sins? After all, for a great many people, their sins are not obvious, they are not something they can intuit.

In other words, how are sinners ever going to, “go and sin no more,” if they never know they are sinning?
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The Holy Spirit specializes in such missions. If every time we felt inclined to condemn someone, we asked the Holy Spirit to move them to repentance, we would be far, far more effective than trying to do it ourselves.
 
1neophyte said:
The Holy Spirit specializes in such missions. If every time we felt inclined to condemn someone, we asked the Holy Spirit to move them to repentance, we would be far, far more effective than trying to do it ourselves.
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“Felt inclined?”
 
1neophyte said:
Yes, felt inclined. As in, when we notice a speck in someone’s eye and try to pluck out their entire eye, lest the speck prevent them from seeing.
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It is no longer an act of loving mercy to inform a person of their sin?
 
irishpatrick said:
It is no longer an act of loving mercy to inform a person of their sin?
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If you’re forgiving them, yes it is an act of loving mercy. If you’re holding their sin over their head and calling it “informing,” it is not. The notion of “no longer” is irrelevant. The command to forgive is nothing new, and doesn’t change with the times.

Come on. Is this really so hard to understand? It’s very rudimentary stuff.
 
1neophyte said:
If you’re forgiving them, yes it is an act of loving mercy. If you’re holding their sin over their head and calling it “informing,” it is not. The notion of “no longer” is irrelevant. The command to forgive is nothing new, and doesn’t change with the times.

Come on. Is this really so hard to understand? It’s very rudimentary stuff.
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That is a rather harsh and judgmental slam. 🤷

The Bible is filled with passages that speak about informing others of their sins in order to entice them to repentance and to perhaps help them receive salvation.

We can forgive actions and sins committed against us, and we are called to do so. However, how exactly does a sinner know they are sinning if they are never told?

If we judge and scorn others, that is certainly wrong. Yet, if no one ever bothers to tell others that they are sinning, then how will they know? If people never know they are sinning, how can they repent? If people never repent and seek forgiveness, how then can they be saved?
 
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