Francis: ‘Whoever judges and scorns others is corrupt and a hypocrite’

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Don_Ruggero said:
This thread concerns the text of the audience on June 1, 2016. As I went through the thread, it’s evident that many of the comments are actually based on the story and not analysing what the Pope said. That’s a fundamental methodological failure

A first year student where I was completed an introduction to theological methodology course; they know when to use secondary source material, and to what advantage, and when to turn to a primary source
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One method to determine how much news is factual reporting and how much is the author taking liberties, is to look at the references given. If an article is well documented so that source documentation can be read for context and accuracy, then one is dealing with a more reputable news source. Americans are really gullible targets, hence the plethora of special-interest news sites. They prosper by feeding people what they want to here with the spin that affirms partisan ideologies.

As to the language used, I would think precise English should be sufficient here, being a lay forum. The greater problems I have encountered are (1) language is used imprecise with excessive emotionally charged words; and (2) opinions are not presented with the humility, deference and charity one finds in discussion from Church authorities. Attitude causes more problems than language.
 
I want to state to all here that I attempt to defend the pope at every opportunity when the topic comes up in a couple of the small faith sharing groups I’m involved in – one of which is primarily made up of non-Catholics. I also give the benefit of the doubt to the pope when asked at work (which has happened recently by both a committed evangelical and another co-worker who is not particularly religious at all, although I suspect he may be nominally Christian). I always caution them about going off what the media puts forward versus going to the source. I make mention that there may be a bias or spin on the news story, or something may have been lost in translation from Spanish or Italian to English or simply Latin American idioms that may not translate well, etc. But this seems to happen way more than it should have to. I figured these forums here would be a safer environment to put forth some of the more challenging points of the pope’s statements in an attempt to gain a more accurate or balanced view. But if I even hint at challenging or questioning a statement by the pope, I am excoriated on these forums for my non-expertise – to amazement by others that I would dare question or challenge at all.

My quests for clarifications are not unreasonable.
 
irenaeus1 said:
My quests for clarifications are not unreasonable.
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I think the clarification here is fairly simple. Even if we do not read the entire message, we can always read the parable, if we do not know it. In light of the Scripture, the one who judges *and scorns *is clearly a different person from the person who is admonishing a sinner out of charity. Think of the Pharisee in the parable, as opposed to the ex-Pharisee who wrote letters to the Church’s under his care, like Galatians (I think that was the most direct admonishment). One was self-righteous, looking down on the sinner. The other considered himself the greatest of sinners appealing to the self-righteous that needed to embrace the grace that saved him.

No, this does not take a lot of theology to understand, but perhaps it takes more time reading than it does writing.
(says the guy with over 30,000 posts)😉
 
pnewton said:
No, this does not take a lot of theology to understand, but perhaps it takes more time reading than it does writing.
(says the guy with over 30,000 posts)😉
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Wow, I see we registered on this forum within about 7 weeks of each other, but I’m about 30,000 posts behind. I need to get crackin’. 😉
 
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