Francis: The Church needs lay people, they should not be “clericalised”

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The Church needs the laity and they should not be “clericalised”, Francis said in this morning’s audience with Italian Catholic radio and television network Corallo.

“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?” Francis asked this question to representatives of local television channels, admitting that he himself did not know the answer.

The Pope criticised the tendency some prelates have of pushing lay people who do a lot of great work in their parishes - they may be great organisers, for example - to be come deacons. Another thing that often happens, Francis said in his off-the-cuff address to representatives of Italian diocesan broadcasters, is that “when there is a lay person who does a good job and is committed, their parish priest goes to the local bishop – and this happened to me in Buenos Aires – and says: “Why don’t we make him a deacon?” This is a mistake: **if we have a good lay person, let him carry on being just that,” the Pope stressed. **

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-corallo-32897/

I believe it is too often forgotten that lay Catholics can become saints right where they are, praying, working, and living out the Gospel. They do not need to be “known” as saints, yet they often try to live as saints–and we need many, many more millions of those. The Holy Father’s question *(“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?”), * is an important query because it shines a light on how important the prayers and faith of lay Catholics are. A person saying the rosary every day, with a proper disposition, is performing a critical and holy work for the Body of Christ–again, we need many more lay Catholics who seek sanctification right where they are, no bells and whistles, no public proclamations, just a strong and holy and Christ loving faith.
 
The Church needs the laity and they should not be “clericalised”, Francis said in this morning’s audience with Italian Catholic radio and television network Corallo.

“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?” Francis asked this question to representatives of local television channels, admitting that he himself did not know the answer.

The Pope criticised the tendency some prelates have of pushing lay people who do a lot of great work in their parishes - they may be great organisers, for example - to be come deacons. Another thing that often happens, Francis said in his off-the-cuff address to representatives of Italian diocesan broadcasters, is that “when there is a lay person who does a good job and is committed, their parish priest goes to the local bishop – and this happened to me in Buenos Aires – and says: “Why don’t we make him a deacon?” This is a mistake: **if we have a good lay person, let him carry on being just that,” the Pope stressed. **

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-corallo-32897/

I believe it is too often forgotten that lay Catholics can become saints right where they are, praying, working, and living out the Gospel. They do not need to be “known” as saints, yet they often try to live as saints–and we need many, many more millions of those. The Holy Father’s question *(“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?”), * is an important query because it shines a light on how important the prayers and faith of lay Catholics are. A person saying the rosary every day, with a proper disposition, is performing a critical and holy work for the Body of Christ–again, we need many more lay Catholics who seek sanctification right where they are, no bells and whistles, no public proclamations, just a strong and holy and Christ loving faith.
God bless Pope Francis. I couldn’t agree more with him, or with you, Irishpatrick.
 
The Church needs the laity and they should not be “clericalised”, Francis said in this morning’s audience with Italian Catholic radio and television network Corallo.

“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?” Francis asked this question to representatives of local television channels, admitting that he himself did not know the answer.

The Pope criticised the tendency some prelates have of pushing lay people who do a lot of great work in their parishes - they may be great organisers, for example - to be come deacons. Another thing that often happens, Francis said in his off-the-cuff address to representatives of Italian diocesan broadcasters, is that “when there is a lay person who does a good job and is committed, their parish priest goes to the local bishop – and this happened to me in Buenos Aires – and says: “Why don’t we make him a deacon?” This is a mistake: **if we have a good lay person, let him carry on being just that,” the Pope stressed. **

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-corallo-32897/

I believe it is too often forgotten that lay Catholics can become saints right where they are, praying, working, and living out the Gospel. They do not need to be “known” as saints, yet they often try to live as saints–and we need many, many more millions of those. The Holy Father’s question *(“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?”), * is an important query because it shines a light on how important the prayers and faith of lay Catholics are. A person saying the rosary every day, with a proper disposition, is performing a critical and holy work for the Body of Christ–again, we need many more lay Catholics who seek sanctification right where they are, no bells and whistles, no public proclamations, just a strong and holy and Christ loving faith.
Well said, Holy Father. 👍
 
I love the Pope, and really respect anything any Pope says.

I will say that I am a fan of a rather clerical Church. I like the sentiment “pray, pay, and obey.”

Maybe I should rethink this though.
 
I love the Pope, and really respect anything any Pope says.

I will say that I am a fan of a rather clerical Church. I like the sentiment “pray, pay, and obey.”

Maybe I should rethink this though.
I believe the Pope is concerned about clericalizing the laity. We need Priests, many more actually.
 
I love the Pope, and really respect anything any Pope says.

I will say, though, that I am a fan of a rather clerical Church. I like the sentiment “pray, pay, and obey.”

Maybe I should rethink this though.
 
I love the Pope, and really respect anything any Pope says.

I will say that I am a fan of a rather clerical Church. I like the sentiment “pray, pay, and obey.”

Maybe I should rethink this though.
I think the idea is to get the laity more involved not lessen the roles of the priest.

We won’t everyone to function in their role because every role is essential.
 
Thank you for posting this. As someone who is always tormented by not knowing my vocation, I can fall into the trap of thinking I can’t be as holy as God wants until I figure it out. So good to remember that as a layperson right now I can still be of service to God just as much as if/when I do enter a more secure vocation.
 
We need to extend this logic and let the laity be the laity and serve the Church as such. We, the laity, are not called to be distributing communion or reading at Mass (that is another form of “clericalizing the laity” after all, giving them liturgical functions) instead we need to transform the secular order and bring it under the rule of Christ the King. It’s easier to read at Mass than to witness to Christ at work, but 'tis our job. Francis himself talked about this very point, anyone have the reference? I think it was last summer or late spring, obviously after he was elevated to the papacy.
 
I know his question was rhetorical, but I think, in many instances, the little old lady reciting the rosary can be 100 times more important than the Pope, even if only for that short period of time. God hears each and every one of us. Many of our Saints were never official leaders of any kind, yet look at the favor they carried.

The Pope said something similar about female Cardinals. He said women shouldn’t be “clericalised” if I recall correctly. This fits in with the Pope’s overall theme since day one: a leader is a leader, and we need one because of our fallen nature. But a leader isn’t necessarily more “important” than someone else. I think he used a little old lady as an example on purpose. A women - old, young, or whatever - or a man for that matter, can do MUCH to further the Kingdom of God, and we are all called to do so. Just because our “leaders” happen to be male does not detract from that mission at all.

Just my two cents.

Peace,
Sean
 
The Church needs the laity and they should not be “clericalised”, Francis said in this morning’s audience with Italian Catholic radio and television network Corallo.

“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?” Francis asked this question to representatives of local television channels, admitting that he himself did not know the answer.

The Pope criticised the tendency some prelates have of pushing lay people who do a lot of great work in their parishes - they may be great organisers, for example - to be come deacons. Another thing that often happens, Francis said in his off-the-cuff address to representatives of Italian diocesan broadcasters, is that “when there is a lay person who does a good job and is committed, their parish priest goes to the local bishop – and this happened to me in Buenos Aires – and says: “Why don’t we make him a deacon?” This is a mistake: **if we have a good lay person, let him carry on being just that,” the Pope stressed. **

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-corallo-32897/

I believe it is too often forgotten that lay Catholics can become saints right where they are, praying, working, and living out the Gospel. They do not need to be “known” as saints, yet they often try to live as saints–and we need many, many more millions of those. The Holy Father’s question *(“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?”), * is an important query because it shines a light on how important the prayers and faith of lay Catholics are. A person saying the rosary every day, with a proper disposition, is performing a critical and holy work for the Body of Christ–again, we need many more lay Catholics who seek sanctification right where they are, no bells and whistles, no public proclamations, just a strong and holy and Christ loving faith.
That makes me hopeful I’m not spinning my wheels
attending daily Mass, the Rosary and Little Office.
After all I couldn’t be a deacon if I wanted to cause
I’m that little old lady and last time I checked old ladies
couldn’t BE deacons 🙂
 
The Pope said something similar about female Cardinals. He said women shouldn’t be “clericalised” if I recall correctly. This fits in with the Pope’s overall theme since day one: a leader is a leader, and we need one because of our fallen nature. But a leader isn’t necessarily more “important” than someone else. I think he used a little old lady as an example on purpose. A women - old, young, or whatever - or a man for that matter, can do MUCH to further the Kingdom of God, and we are all called to do so. Just because our “leaders” happen to be male does not detract from that mission at all.
Here is the Pope Francis quote you were thinking of:

Pope: There won’t be women cardinals

Interviewer: May I ask you if the Church will have women cardinals in the future?

Pope Francis: “I don’t know where this idea sprang from. Women in the Church must be valued not ‘clericalised’. Whoever thinks of women as cardinals suffers a bit from clericalism."

And here’s what he said about ordination:

Pope Francis reaffirms that ordination is for men only

And, with reference to the ordination of women, the Church has spoken and she said : “No.” John Paul II said it, but with a definitive formulation. That is closed, that door is closed, but I’d like to say something about this. I’ve said it, but I repeat it. Our Lady, Mary, was more important than the Apostles, than bishops, deacons and priests. In the Church, woman is more important than bishops and priests; how, it’s what we must seek to make more explicit, because theological explicitness about this is lacking.
 
I believe it is too often forgotten that lay Catholics can become saints right where they are, praying, working, and living out the Gospel. They do not need to be “known” as saints, yet they often try to live as saints–and we need many, many more millions of those. The Holy Father’s question *(“Who’s more important? The Pope or that little old lady who recites the rosary every day?”), * is an important query because it shines a light on how important the prayers and faith of lay Catholics are. A person saying the rosary every day, with a proper disposition, is performing a critical and holy work for the Body of Christ–again, we need many more lay Catholics who seek sanctification right where they are, no bells and whistles, no public proclamations, just a strong and holy and Christ loving faith.
Your post reminded me of something I read once. The greatest Saints are those who forgot themselves so completly that the world forgot them as well.
 
That makes me hopeful I’m not spinning my wheels
attending daily Mass, the Rosary and Little Office.
After all I couldn’t be a deacon if I wanted to cause
I’m that little old lady and last time I checked old ladies
couldn’t BE deacons 🙂
I do not believe you are spinning your wheels, and it seems (more importantly) that neither does the Pope. The world needs more quiet saints who pray and do the works of the Lord without expecting anything in return.
 
Your post reminded me of something I read once. The greatest Saints are those who forgot themselves so completly that the world forgot them as well.
Awesome comment–and so true. It is difficult for we humans to totally forget self.
 
I love the Pope, and really respect anything any Pope says.

I will say that I am a fan of a rather clerical Church. I like the sentiment “pray, pay, and obey.”

Maybe I should rethink this though.
It should not be news (except to the New York Times and their ilk) that the Pope is Catholic. He still agrees with Saint Paul from around 50 AD:

28 Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; 6 second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work mighty deeds?
30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
31 Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts. But I shall show you a still more excellent way.

1 Corinthians 12:28-31
The whole twelth chapter is about Paul explaining the Church.
 
Pope Francis sure speaks with a lot of wisdom.:yup:
We’ll be praying for you Papa!
 
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