Francis to create commission to study female deacons in Catholic church

[ARSpade]

Progressives play the long game and are good at it. It’s how they “won” the Episcopal Church and such.

Of course, in the end, all they really did was cause schism and abandonment of the faith but those were small prices to pay I guess.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Pope Francis has firmly ruled out women becoming priests.

and I hope he will rule out women becoming deacons too.
there are so many ways women can serve. one door opens another door that opens another door that opens another door. why not a study on male nuns?

 

[DaveBj]

Okay, for starters, dealing with women and children who have problems working with men, for whatever reason.

Working in areas where it would be inappropriate for men to go.

 

[Catholic_Press]

May 12, '16 9:59 am

His comments, revealing an openness to re-examine the church?s insistence on an all-male clergy, were hailed as a breakthrough by women who have clamored for more of a role.

Full article…

 

[tseleehw]

Progressives play the long game and are good at it. It’s how they “won” the Episcopal Church and such.

Of course, in the end, all they really did was cause schism and abandonment of the faith but those were small prices to pay I guess.

I agree with this. As to this news I have no problem with the Church exploring the possibility of female deacons. The problem is that ever major publication today is hailing this as the first step towards ordaining women as priests (even though Pope Francis has repeatedly stated it is impossible). That’s the problem with off the cuff statements like this. They create far more problems and confusion than they solve. I guess you can’t blame Pope Francis too much since it’s the media that can’t report the facts correctly but I think it’s getting a bit out of hand recently and I think the Vatican has to take at least some of the blame for exaggerating the problem.

 

[clem456]

Here is the **more accurate **report on what the Pope **actually **said at the meeting:

Pope says he will ask CDF about history of women deacons

catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/pope-says-he-will-ask-cdf-about-history-of-women-deacons/

Yea but it’s much more interesting to engage in speculation based on what he -didn’t- say.

 

[deaconjohnO]

ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS already has spoken on this matter. Paragraph 2 John Paul quotes Tmothy 3:1-13. I his statement regarding the authority of the Church to ordain women he alludes to deacons too by pointing to Tim 3:1-13.

From John Paull…“The Apostles did the same when they chose fellow workers(7) who would succeed them in their ministry.(8) Also included in this choice were those who, throughout the time of the Church, would carry on the Apostles’ mission of representing Christ the Lord and Redeemer.(9)”

w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis.html

 

[Thorolfr]

I agree with this. As to this news I have no problem with the Church exploring the possibility of female deacons. The problem is that ever major publication today is hailing this as the first step towards ordaining women as priests (even though Pope Francis has repeatedly stated it is impossible). That’s the problem with off the cuff statements like this. They create far more problems and confusion than they solve. I guess you can’t blame Pope Francis too much since it’s the media that can’t report the facts correctly but I think it’s getting a bit out of hand recently and I think the Vatican has to take at least some of the blame for exaggerating the problem.

Most Lutherans also once believed that women couldn’t be pastors and some such as the LCMS still do. I’m sure that many Missouri Synod Lutherans still say that it is impossible for a woman to be a pastor. But other Lutherans such as the ELCA have ordained women pastors for more than 40 years now. So even though many Catholics maintain that it is impossible to ordain women, but maybe God will surprise everyone. He has a way of doing that sometimes.

 

[deaconjohnO]

Most Lutherans also once believed that women couldn’t be pastors and some such as the LCMS still do. I’m sure that many Missouri Synod Lutherans still say that it is impossible for a woman to be a pastor. But other Lutherans such as the ELCA have ordained women pastors for more than 40 years now. So even though many Catholics maintain that it is impossible to ordain women, but maybe God will surprise everyone. He has a way of doing that sometimes.

To do so would present a problem with papal infallibility.

 

[GEddie]

Most Lutherans also once believed that women couldn’t be pastors and some such as the LCMS still do. I’m sure that many Missouri Synod Lutherans still say that it is impossible for a woman to be a pastor. But other Lutherans such as the ELCA have ordained women pastors for more than 40 years now. So even though many Catholics maintain that it is impossible to ordain women, but maybe God will surprise everyone. He has a way of doing that sometimes.

Don’t hold your breath. Liberalism is not a ‘surprise’ from God, but a human attempt to ‘improve’ on Him by maintaining that new ideas cancel everything older.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Little_Sheep]

Actually I get a lot of my news feeds on Facebook, and what I like about that is being able to read comments after the actual story. I first saw the news this morning on Religious News Service, then on Fr Jim Martin’s site, and then NCR and the NYTimes. And of course from there the sharing rather exploded.

People are quite excited about this possibility. I know this is early days yet, but I can’t imaging that Pope Francis would have said anything publicly if he didn’t intend to follow through.

I would say FB is my go-to site for news as well…at least for links to “real” new organizations as well as opinions of people who are my friends!

It is an exciting possibility, one that I hope the Holy Father is truly behind!

 

[Little_Sheep]

Yes, after all, our cousins in the Anglican and Episcopalian community did this and had no issues at all. Their growing numbers of believers is a sure sign they’re on the right path.

It’s true - we’re doing pretty great. I trust the Catholics are as well.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

To do so would present a problem with papal infallibility.

Not only papal infallibility, but theology as well

The reason women can not be ordained has to do with the priests being Christ on the altar during the Mass. Christ was a man, its not possible for a woman, to be Christ en persona.

Jim

 

[Thorolfr]

Not only papal infallibility, but theology as well

The reason women can not be ordained has to do with the priests being Christ on the altar during the Mass. Christ was a man, its not possible for a woman, to be Christ en persona.

Jim

What’s so important about Christ being a man? Would it have been impossible for God to have become incarnate as a woman?

 

[Little_Sheep]

Do you truly believe that quite a few Catholics won’t see it as a first step? I understand your position that it is not, but still - humans will be humans!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What’s so important about Christ being a man? Would it have been impossible for God to have become incarnate as a woman?

With God anything would have been possible, but God chose to come into the world, as a man in Jesus Christ.

The priest on the altar at Mass, becomes Christ, and Christ was a man.

Jim

 

[irishpatrick]

Do you truly believe that quite a few Catholics won’t see it as a first step? I understand your position that it is not, but still - humans will be humans!

The Church/Pope has infallibly declared that women cannot be ordained to the Priesthood. Infallible statements are–well, they are infallible and therefore, are impossible to change.

It makes no difference what people think, and it makes no difference what new arguments are crafted–it is impossible for the Roman Catholic Church to ordain women to the Priesthood.

Period

End of story

 

[irishpatrick]

With God anything would have been possible, but God chose to come into the world, as a man in Jesus Christ.

The priest on the altar at Mass, becomes Christ, and Christ was a man.

Jim

God also, through His Revelation, refers to Himself in male pronouns. Never in female pronouns.

 

[Thorolfr]

The Church/Pope has infallibly declared that women cannot be ordained to the Priesthood. Infallible statements are–well, they are infallible and therefore, are impossible to change.

It makes no difference what people think, and it makes no difference what new arguments are crafted–it is impossible for the Roman Catholic Church to ordain women to the Priesthood.

Period

End of story

When and by whom was this infallibly declared? Was it an ex-cathedra declaration of a pope? I have a difficult time sometimes figuring out which statements by the Church are infallible and which ones aren’t.

 

[irishpatrick]

When and by whom was this infallibly declared? Was it an ex-cathedra declaration of a pope? I have a difficult time sometimes figuring out which statements by the Church are infallible and which ones aren’t.

Go here:

nytimes.com/1995/11/19/world/vatican-says-the-ban-on-women-as-priests-is-infallible-doctrine.html

jimmyakin.com/library/womens-ordination-its-infallible