Franciscan Brothers' Rights

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No, I’m not going to have a mass, so that rule would not apply.

Again… how does one “get permission from the bishop” I’m thinking I can’t just call him up and ask… there’s got to be some long drawn-out process… right?
The more I look at this, the more I think someone might be selling you the Brooklyn Bridge. It sound more and more suspicious every time I look through this thread.

Perhaps if you post a link to their website, some people here might be able to look further into it to see if they are indeed Catholic. I’m not saying that they are not, I’m simply saying that based on what I read here, I am very skeptical.
 
If it’s the same “Chapel Dulcinea” that is part of the “Wizard Academy” in Austin (which I located on the web), I can promise you that it is not a Catholic chapel, and what you get there will not be a Catholic wedding.

chapeldulcinea.org/
 
No, I’m not going to have a mass, so that rule would not apply.

Again… how does one “get permission from the bishop” I’m thinking I can’t just call him up and ask… there’s got to be some long drawn-out process… right?
I believe that the same role would apply. Call the Chancery and explain your situation. Give them the name and location of the chapel in question. Explain to them where this chapel is and ask if this is a legitimate location for the Nuptial liturgy. If they say that it is legitimate, then you have no problem. If not, then ask permission. If a letter is requested, then write it and send it to the bishop.

I am not sure, and perhaps Fr. David can conform, but, if you are not going to have the wedding at St. Ignatius, then you need to secure something called “prior delegatoin” from your pastor to allow a change in locatoin (if it is approved) and having another priest celebrate the sacrament.

The permission for my grandmother’s funeral took about five minutes to write the letter, another few to fax it to Austin and then maybe a short time thereafter, the granting of the permission. This all took place a day before the funeral Mass. Everything went well.
 
I am very skeptical too… that’s why I posted this here. I don’t think its legit at all. Good thing I haven’t met with him in person yet, or given him any money!!

saintfrancishouse.com/index.html
My security software won’t let me access that page. That happens sometimes for perfectly legitimate sites. But the fact is, I can’t get to it.

Check with the diocese. Call them on the phone and ask to speak to anyone who can verify that this religious community is indeed Catholic. That could be any one of a number of people. I don’t know if there’s a connection between these Franciscans (if that’s what they are) and the Chapel Dulcinea.

The Franciscans might be legitimate, don’t get me wrong, but please verify it with the diocese first.
 
There is an Archbishop over all Catholics in uniformed military service. The diocese basically has no boundaries. Priests and Deacons operate under this Archbishop and do not need permission from local bishops in matters pertaining to military personnel. It is possible for a Bishop to under certain circumstances to grant permission to a properly trained lay person to witness Marriages for the Catholic Church. I do not know however if this is the case for the military Archdiocese which is world wide.
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I went to a priest/chaplain that was also a Jesuit. I can’t say I liked him because of the way he dealt with me. But Catholic Chaplains are under one Bishop, an Archbishop. Military extends all over the world.
 
I know of a Chaplain who, on his organization’s website, states he is an “Ordained Franciscan”… what does that mean? The organization helps veterans and military families by performing wedding ceremonies in any location, since often, these couples do not have the luxury of time or of being able to book a church.

So, does it sound legit?
He could be a solemn professed lay Franciscan. If he just claims to be an “ordained Fransican,” that sounds a little vague and misleading. I admit I didn’t read through the entire thread, but did you post the link to his website? There are plenty of priests & deacons here who could tell you if he’s legit. Third order Franciscans are certainly legitimate, but do not have the authority to preside over a wedding.

Edited to add: I just looked at the link. I see a HUGE red flag. This man makes no claim to be a priest at all. And “ordained in all faiths?” What do you suppose that means? [SIGN]DON’T DO IT!![/SIGN]
 
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I went to a priest/chaplain that was also a Jesuit. I can’t say I liked him because of the way he dealt with me. But Catholic Chaplains are under one Bishop, an Archbishop. Military extends all over the world.
So, did a chaplain marry you and your husband? Was it done in a church? Can any Catholic Chaplain perform a Catholic wedding?
 
I believe that the same role would apply. Call the Chancery and explain your situation. Give them the name and location of the chapel in question. Explain to them where this chapel is and ask if this is a legitimate location for the Nuptial liturgy. If they say that it is legitimate, then you have no problem. If not, then ask permission. If a letter is requested, then write it and send it to the bishop.

I am not sure, and perhaps Fr. David can conform, but, if you are not going to have the wedding at St. Ignatius, then you need to secure something called “prior delegatoin” from your pastor to allow a change in locatoin (if it is approved) and having another priest celebrate the sacrament.

The permission for my grandmother’s funeral took about five minutes to write the letter, another few to fax it to Austin and then maybe a short time thereafter, the granting of the permission. This all took place a day before the funeral Mass. Everything went well.
Every diocese is different, but as a general rule, all the marriage preparation work is somewhat standard. Most diocese have a “packet” of forms that have to be filled-out. One of those forms will be a “check the box” request for a dispensation to have the wedding in some place other than a Catholic Church. The pastor mails that form to the diocese.

Some considerations from canon law:

Pastors may only perform weddings when at least one of the couple actually resides within the territory of that parish.

If a Franciscan priest/deacon does do the marriage, he must FIRST have permission from the pastor of that place–that doesn’t mean the pastor of the “chapel” but the pastor of the Catholic parish in which the chapel is located.
 
So, did a chaplain marry you and your husband? Was it done in a church? Can any Catholic Chaplain perform a Catholic wedding?
Careful on this one. The Archdiocese for the Military is indeed worldwide, but one must actually be a member of the active duty military (or reservist on active service, or certain civilian employees) to be able to get married by a military chaplain without first going through the local bishop of the place where one lives.
 
Every diocese is different, but as a general rule, all the marriage preparation work is somewhat standard. Most diocese have a “packet” of forms that have to be filled-out. One of those forms will be a “check the box” request for a dispensation to have the wedding in some place other than a Catholic Church. The pastor mails that form to the diocese.

Some considerations from canon law:

Pastors may only perform weddings when at least one of the couple actually resides within the territory of that parish.

If a Franciscan priest/deacon does do the marriage, he must FIRST have permission from the pastor of that place–that doesn’t mean the pastor of the “chapel” but the pastor of the Catholic parish in which the chapel is located.
Yes, I’ve seen the packets. I used to have to keep them in order and, at least in my diocese, there was a box checkd for “prior delegation” and there was also a section regarding the location.

In the OP’s case, both she and her fiance are already registered at a parish, so they’ve got the first step done. I am proud of her for doing that.
 
Careful on this one. The Archdiocese for the Military is indeed worldwide, but one must actually be a member of the active duty military (or reservist on active service, or certain civilian employees) to be able to get married by a military chaplain without first going through the local bishop of the place where one lives.
Thank you… that is what I thought. No, we’re not in the military, and I just wanted clarification on that. Thank you Fr. David!
 
So, did a chaplain marry you and your husband? Was it done in a church? Can any Catholic Chaplain perform a Catholic wedding?
Oh, I was the soldier and the man…😉
Something he said threw me for a really strange loop. Long story short without the details. Wife’s dad was a bishop, and anti-Catholic and wouldn’t dare step foot in an apostate house of satan…a Catholic Church. The call us a man made church. They proselytized me to the point of breaking and along with the Chaplains scandal dealing with me I flew into a blind state of heresy that took me many years to come out of and back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. My wife converted and actually understood things I had never learned…and explained it to me to make more since than all the heretic priests and laity in my past. I now understand a whole lot more than I ever had. But I had started to see it pop out of scripture over a 17 years of solo scriptura. My entire family is Catholic now…that is our domestic church.

I’d suggest trying to deal with your home priest. A lot of not so great entered the military. They tend to be somewhat harsh. We prefer gentlness.
 
Oh, I was the soldier and the man…😉
Something he said threw me for a really strange loop. Long story short without the details. Wife’s dad was a bishop, and anti-Catholic and wouldn’t dare step foot in an apostate house of satan…a Catholic Church. The call us a man made church. They proselytized me to the point of breaking and along with the Chaplains scandal dealing with me I flew into a blind state of heresy that took me many years to come out of and back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. My wife converted and actually understood things I had never learned…and explained it to me to make more since than all the heretic priests and laity in my past. I now understand a whole lot more than I ever had. But I had started to see it pop out of scripture over a 17 years of solo scriptura. My entire family is Catholic now…that is our domestic church.

I’d suggest trying to deal with your home priest. A lot of not so great entered the military. They tend to be somewhat harsh. We prefer gentlness.
Military Chaplains come in all sorts. There are a lot of very solid Catholic priests serving in the Military Archdiocese, but the OP needs to know that approaching a military Chaplain could be a dead-end since neither one of them is military.

Rock of the Marne!
 
I am very skeptical too… that’s why I posted this here. I don’t think its legit at all. Good thing I haven’t met with him in person yet, or given him any money!!

saintfrancishouse.com/index.html
This is not part of the Austin diocese nor is it part of the Military diocese.

So, this is NOT an option for a Catholic marriage.

You need to go through your parish pastor every step of the way, have any person you are planning to have officiate and any place you are planning to hold the wedding vetted by your diocese-- and not be taken in by websites offering a “Catholic” wedding.
 
Engaged,

I think these things are things you should keep in mind:

(1) Canon law governs Catholic marriage
(2) Catholics must go through marriage preparation, and the place to start this process is with your local pastor. He is your pastor and per Canon Law you must be married in your parish church by your parish priest/deacon unless you get permission to do otherwise.
(3) Permission to do otherwise comes either from your pastor or the bishop, depending on the situation, and such permission always starts with your local parish pastor
(4) Bringing in any priest or deacon who is not under the Bishop of your diocese requires (a) permission and (b) the priest in question to present paperwork from HIS bishop that he is a priest/deacon in good standing. This has to be on file with YOUR pastor in order for this other priest to perform the marriage.

So, basically, every step of your marriage preparation-- including where you get married and by whom-- starts and ends with a discussion with your own pastor.
 
Engaged,

I think these things are things you should keep in mind:

(1) Canon law governs Catholic marriage
(2) Catholics must go through marriage preparation, and the place to start this process is with your local pastor. He is your pastor and per Canon Law you must be married in your parish church by your parish priest/deacon unless you get permission to do otherwise.
(3) Permission to do otherwise comes either from your pastor or the bishop, depending on the situation, and such permission always starts with your local parish pastor
(4) Bringing in any priest or deacon who is not under the Bishop of your diocese requires (a) permission and (b) the priest in question to present paperwork from HIS bishop that he is a priest/deacon in good standing. This has to be on file with YOUR pastor in order for this other priest to perform the marriage.

So, basically, every step of your marriage preparation-- including where you get married and by whom-- starts and ends with a discussion with your own pastor.
Yes. Now, I gave my grandmother’s funeral as an example. She wanted the Mass celebrated at her parish. However, I had to get the pastor’s permission and the diocese’s permission in order for my parochial vicar to drive up from Laredo to do this.

It’s not that hard, but, you do need to get your pastor involved. Engaged, your pastor was very cooperative with me. Of course, I had known him since I would sometimes go to Mass with my grandmother and stepgrandfather. He was easy to work with and was most helpful when my PV arrived. He’s a good man. Work with him.
 
So, basically, every step of your marriage preparation-- including where you get married and by whom-- starts and ends with a discussion with your own pastor.
Thanks, and I am beginning to understand all this finally… I think.

The problem is that we JUST registered at a parish for being non-practicing for a long time. We’re trying to get back into the faith. The problem for us is this: money. We just can’t afford to pay over $750+ to be married in a church. Most we can afford is $250, and we’re getting the reception place basically for free from a friend. So, if you know of any Catholic churches that would marry us for free, I’d be HAPPY to be married in one.

Bottom line, we can’t afford it.
 
Thanks, and I am beginning to understand all this finally… I think.

The problem is that we JUST registered at a parish for being non-practicing for a long time. We’re trying to get back into the faith. The problem for us is this: money. We just can’t afford to pay over $750+ to be married in a church. Most we can afford is $250, and we’re getting the reception place basically for free from a friend. So, if you know of any Catholic churches that would marry us for free, I’d be HAPPY to be married in one.

Bottom line, we can’t afford it.
Have covered that part with your pastor. As I said before, he is a good man and will work with you. Explain your situation. Believe me, it’s not about the money. He can work something out with you.
 
Thanks, and I am beginning to understand all this finally… I think.

The problem is that we JUST registered at a parish for being non-practicing for a long time. We’re trying to get back into the faith. The problem for us is this: money. We just can’t afford to pay over $750+ to be married in a church. Most we can afford is $250, and we’re getting the reception place basically for free from a friend. So, if you know of any Catholic churches that would marry us for free, I’d be HAPPY to be married in one.

Bottom line, we can’t afford it.
Then talk to the pastor. No one may ever be denied a Sacrament on account of not being able to pay a requested fee. Remember from the other thread that this is not a fee for the marriage itself, but for the other costs of the wedding ceremony and preparation. If you can’t pay it, the parish cannot ask you for it.
 
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