Fraternal correction and the HRC 'red equality sign' campaign

[Jaysuitical]

A friend of a quarter-century duration ‘shared’ a ‘like’ on facebook – the red equals sign from the gay-advocacy group Human Rights Campaign. I communicated to him what this meant & on doing his research, he realized that he had confused the group with Human Rights Watch. He retracted his posting with a clarification.

It made me realize that the “marriage equality” campaign has been effective because of PR misrepresentation, often confusing busy Catholics who think that support for the human rights of each person translates into support for equality in the institution of marriage. I recommend Josef Pieper’s “Abuse of Language, Abuse of Power” in concert with George Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language” to consider how to combat the deliberate obfuscation of the matter.

This friend has long been a fervent Catholic, so even someone who was certain that he was very familiar with Church teaching was misled by the campaign.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

Good advice.

 

[Stephanie_Pauls]

Catholic teaching doesn’t mean we enforce it on the rest of society.

 

[PatriceA]

Really? I have yet to meet anyone, Catholic or not, that didn’t realize the red equality sign was for gay marriages.

 

[fix]

Catholic teaching doesn’t mean we enforce it on the rest of society.

Truth is truth.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Catholic teaching doesn’t mean we enforce it on the rest of society.

We don’t.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Catholic teaching doesn’t mean we enforce it on the rest of society.

It isn’t merely religious custom, it is God’s law. It is merely handed down through the RCC.

You are basically saying God’s law does not have to apply to the rest of society, which is like saying gravity does not have to apply to the rest of society. It is immutable and unchangeable, and applies to everyone.

 

[ahs]

I had a similar experience, except my friend knew exactly what it meant. On his public wall, I posted a gentle question about if he knew what that was for and what the implications were. Then I PM’d him and gave a gentle admonishing and sent him a link of the Canon Law parts that forbade him from communion if he persisted, etc…

I half thought he’d ignore me or delete me from his list…but after a week, he actually removed that sign from his page. Hurray for Gal 6:1-2, James 5:19, Lev 19:17, Col 3:16, 1Thess 5:14, etc…ad nauseum…

 

[Stephanie_Pauls]

It isn’t merely religious custom, it is God’s law. It is merely handed down through the RCC.

You are basically saying God’s law does not have to apply to the rest of society, which is like saying gravity does not have to apply to the rest of society. It is immutable and unchangeable, and applies to everyone.

According to the Catholic church, as well as some others. Some denominations accept it. We don’t pass a law requiring church attendence or a tithing tax. If you and other Catholics and CHristians want God’s law to rule sooooo bad, where is the out cry to bring back the blue laws?! Oh yes that would hurt business.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

According to the Catholic church, as well as some others. Some denominations accept it. We don’t pass a law requiring church attendence or a tithing tax. If you and other Catholics and CHristians want God’s law to rule sooooo bad, where is the out cry to bring back the blue laws?! Oh yes that would hurt business.

If you honestlly equate blue laws (something I am in favor of) with homosexual marriage, we are really talking different languages.

Mass attendance is mandatory for Catholics - no law is necessary. A better situation would be if a group was trying to make it mandatory to not attend Mass. Then, the Church would step in to right the law. The Church also does not mandate a tithe, so I have no idea where that came from.

Do you also want homosexuals to mind their own business, and not enforce their beliefs on society, or do you only reserve this desire for your fellow Catholics. They feel their rights are being violated by not being allowed to marry. Catholics feel that human rights are being violated by attempting to change the definition of marriage as defined by God. Why so much anger at only one of the two groups?

Again, if you have an issue with what the Church says and teaches, and what God expects of all human beings, you need to take it up with God.

Getting annoyed and citing a red herring like Catholics not supporting blue laws (and accusing them of not doing so because of profit motives, depsite not know this at all) doesn’t change Christ’s teachings. Why would any Catholic have a problem with other Catholics adgering to Christ’s teachings, which include creating a civil society for all mankind that abides by natural law?

Christ did not call us to simply “mind our own business” and neither does the Church. Again, perhaps you could vent to your Priest if part of that is offensive to you?

 

[Stephanie_Pauls]

If you honestlly equate blue laws (something I am in favor of) with homosexual marriage, we are really talking different languages.

Mass attendance is mandatory for Catholics - no law is necessary. A better situation would be if a group was trying to make it mandatory to not attend Mass. Then, the Church would step in to right the law. The Church also does not mandate a tithe, so I have no idea where that came from.

Do you also want homosexuals to mind their own business, and not enforce their beliefs on society, or do you only reserve this desire for your fellow Catholics. They feel their rights are being violated by not being allowed to marry. Catholics feel that human rights are being violated by attempting to change the definition of marriage as defined by God. Why so much anger at only one of the two groups?

Again, if you have an issue with what the Church says and teaches, and what God expects of all human beings, you need to take it up with God.

Getting annoyed and citing a red herring like Catholics not supporting blue laws (and accusing them of not doing so because of profit motives, depsite not know this at all) doesn’t change Christ’s teachings. Why would any Catholic have a problem with other Catholics adgering to Christ’s teachings, which include creating a civil society for all mankind that abides by natural law?

Christ did not call us to simply “mind our own business” and neither does the Church. Again, perhaps you could vent to your Priest if part of that is offensive to you?

First off, when making a anit equil marriage law forced on everyone you are forcing your views on everyone. No one is called for the church to have samesex weddings, if that were to happen Id be the first to stepup and stop that. Whats next forcing everyone to baptise their children by law? 
I take the calling of blue laws a red herring with umbrage. It's a comparison and a great one mind you. It is still a sin to work for money unneccesary on sunday by the Catholic church. Im always comparing and contrasting 24/7.

I don’t need some other religion trying to enforce its beliefs on me. I reciprocate by not enforcing my believes on others. I’d much rather win people to my side than force them to my side. Because those won to me side make better allys than those forced.

 

[fix]

According to the Catholic church, as well as some others. Some denominations accept it. We don’t pass a law requiring church attendence or a tithing tax. If you and other Catholics and CHristians want God’s law to rule sooooo bad, where is the out cry to bring back the blue laws?! Oh yes that would hurt business.

I guess there should be no murder laws or arson laws. The Church teaches those are wrong too.