Fraternity of St. Peter vs. Institute of Christ the King

[Resurrexit]

The ICRSS (using the abbreviation for the Institute’s latin name) uses the 1955 Missal in some places, although not everywhere I believe.

Yes. I was at their seminary last week. At High Mass, the priest read the epistle and gospel sotto voce whilst the subdeacon and deacon sung them. Awfully good!

Apparently they have permission to do this in Europe, as the 1962 Missal was not implemented in large parts of Europe.

 

[jet_jockey]

There have been some great points made on this thread but I believe if it were not for Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX, we would not have the Traditional Mass. Did he not blaze the trail and suffer the consequences when the Pope pushed hard for Religious Liberty and Ecumenism. I long for the day when SSPX, FSSP and ICKSP join forces.

 

[Lormar]

Somewhere in the forum rules I believe it says that rather than resurrect ancient threads like this one, it is recommended to start a new one.

 

[Megan7]

My parish is run by the I.C.R.S.P. and I can vouch for them and their spirituality. Our priest, Fr. Moreau, spent thirteen years in the missions in Africa before he came to us. He is a very holy and devout priest who taught my wife her catechism before she made her Profession of Faith and converted.

I have met several of the priests of the Institute, including Msgr. Wach (the founder) and Msgr. Schmitz (the Vicar General for the Institute in America). They are all quite holy and devout. I would disagree with the F.S.S.P. priest’s assertion that they act as if V2 never happened. The I.C.R.S.P. priests simply fight for tradition in a manner different than the F.S.S.P.

That being said, both groups are a blessing for Holy Mother Church.

Yes, both are a blessing! Thanks.

 

[commenter]

We don’t have either community in my diocese, would certainly like to see them here. One thing I wonder about; I know both groups strongly prefer the EF, but regard the OF as a fully valid celebration of the Mass.

Do they ever celebrate the OF? For instance, if there are 2 parishes in town, and the pastor of the other parish is sick, would they say the Noon Mass in the other parish, if that Mass is normally said in the OF? I know the argument would be that the sick pastor should call a priest in the next town, but with the priest shortage now, that isn’t always possible.

I am sure the priests sometimes say Mass in the local hospital, or Catholic high school, etc. Are those Masses said in the OF or EF? I suspect the local hospitals would not especially care, but knowing some of the Catholic high schools in my area, I know the people there would have opinions.

I believe there is a Church in Chicago - St. John Cantius? - where they have founded a new religious community that says Mass both ways. I assume that means each priest says Mass both ways, but I am not sure.

 

[commenter]

Somewhere in the forum rules I believe it says that rather than resurrect ancient threads like this one, it is recommended to start a new one.

I am itching to reply to the post before Lormar’s post, I not only have tangents but even my tangents have tangents when it comes to resurrecting ancient threads and feuds, but I will follow Lormar’s wise counsel and stick to the thread.

 

[kozlosap]

There have been some great points made on this thread but I believe if it were not for Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX, we would not have the Traditional Mass. Did he not blaze the trail and suffer the consequences when the Pope pushed hard for Religious Liberty and Ecumenism. I long for the day when SSPX, FSSP and ICKSP join forces.

Yes, FSSP and ICKSP. With the development of these two orders, those associated with the SSPX may choose which to join.

 

[ProVobis]

I believe there is a Church in Chicago - St. John Cantius? - where they have founded a new religious community that says Mass both ways. I assume that means each priest says Mass both ways, but I am not sure.

Yes, they say both the EF and OF, but one Mass in the OF is entirely in Latin. I haven’t attended the English Masses there to make any comments.

Actually there are two parishes in the Archdiocese which use the SJC priests and sometimes they are on “loan” to say the EF elsewhere. They also train other priests to say the EF. I believe the priests on EWTN were trained at the downtown parish.

 

[codefro]

Is there any big difference between the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and the Institute of Christ the King. I’m very very familiar with the Fraternity, but know almost nothing about the other “premier” society of traditional priests in America. Are the two in friendly competition with each other?

From my understanding FSSP seems to be of a missional mindset regarding spreading use and devotion to the EF of the Roman Rite. They go where they are invited and come into an established parish. The ICKSP tends to not be as common to find locally. They do have their established locations and they foster a great enrichment of liturgical life. You will hear the offices sung in their locations and see a lot more rich liturgical decorum. Also, and I mean no disrespect to any FSSP affiliates as I am quite fond of their Fraternity- FSSP in more cases can be a little reactionary and uppity when it comes to fighting modernity and liberalism in the Church. It could be from their history of being in the SSPX, but you just see it- NOT EVERYWHERE- but it is seen in certain places. ICKSP doesn’t necessarily involve themselves in those battles, but just lives the liturgical life with beauty and reverence.