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You do not think one can support halthcare reform, in this case ACA, while at the same time opposing some of its parts.
Better to have 32 million Americans without basic health insurance and preventative care.
 
You do not think one can support halthcare reform, in this case ACA, while at the same time opposing some of its parts.
Better to have 32 million Americans without basic health insurance and preventative care.
Nope-it’s a black and white world and we must reject ACA as a whole or we are supporting evil. (not my opinion, but what I am gathering is the CAF-approved opinion)
 
Nope-it’s a black and white world and we must reject ACA as a whole or we are supporting evil. (not my opinion, but what I am gathering is the CAF-approved opinion)
How is that different from supporting the United States as a country while at the same time opposing its legal abortion? If it is that black and white we must reject USA as a whole or we are supporting evil.
 
You do not think one can support halthcare reform, in this case ACA, while at the same time opposing some of its parts.
Better to have 32 million Americans without basic health insurance and preventative care.
Health Care reform? Certainly. Obama Care:confused: Methinks not. Govt. take over of Helath Care? No.

America is a Capitalist Nation. Free Market Economy is what has made America what it is, er was, *prior *to the socilalistic proclivities of the Democrats.
 
How is that different from supporting the United States as a country while at the same time opposing its legal abortion? If it is that black and white we must reject USA as a whole or we are supporting evil.
good point-again showing how black/white thinking doesn’t work.

This country can come up with a way to make health care affordable and available to ALL it’s citizens-and do so without forcing people to pay for abortion services. However, that means that people are going to need to compromise (I know, a BAD word), and they are going to have to abandon the unbridled lust for power and money.
 
Health Care reform? Certainly. Obama Care:confused: Methinks not. Govt. take over of Helath Care? No.

America is a Capitalist Nation. Free Market Economy is what has made America what it is, er was, *prior *to the socilalistic proclivities of the Democrats.
Medicare will be expanded but there will be public insurance exchanges as well.
Do you really know how it will work?
 
No. And neither do you. :rolleyes: Neither does *Pelosi.:rotfl:*No one has read the bill (Obama Care) in it’s entirety, and understands the unfortunate ramifications of it all.

See here:

nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/2012/07/02/ap-fact-check-destroys-obama-health-care-claim

Do you care to try and refute me on this point?

The above link is just one crux of the matter,** isn’t** it? :cool:

Beware of Politicians that ‘feel your pain’ and offer to ‘take care of you’ regards.

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So if you bought private insurance by yourself that’s what it would cost. Of course when you add more people to the mix, the cost gets spread out. The company I work for now is extremely large so our health care costs less per person. The federal government also had a LOT of employees so insurance companies could charge less per person and still make a fortune off of them.

Put everyone on the Federal system and the costs would be lower per person, that’s just how it works.
I don’t think you quite grasp the situation. Yes, if you put more people into the mix, the price goes down (maybe: what we can get on either of the two group plans available to us is about the same or more), but that works because if you put people who are working into a plan, you are getting people below retirement age who are healthy enough to work.

If you were to expand the one plan offered by the federal government to everyone in the nation, the price would go UP, not down, because you would be putting all the people who currently cannot work and all the elderly in the mix.
 
Wellllllllllllll… That was avoidant of the issues.

Siungle* payer*? Is that what you got out of my Posts?

In regard to " Refute you? I have a hard time taking you seriously."

DooooOOOoooo Tell. You have a hard time taking me seriously eh?;)😃
 
So if you bought private insurance by yourself that’s what it would cost. Of course when you add more people to the mix, the cost gets spread out. The company I work for now is extremely large so our health care costs less per person. The federal government also had a LOT of employees so insurance companies could charge less per person and still make a fortune off of them.

Put everyone on the Federal system and the costs would be lower per person, that’s just how it works.
Put everyone on the federal system and quality of care and all that that entails would be lower for sure:rolleyes:
 
Ahhh, I see. You do understand, unless you were single and it wasseveral decades ago, that the $20 you paid a week was only a small part of the premium?

For the pirposes of discussion, I recently looked up what would be the least expensive plan available to a family in my state: $540/month with a $10,000 (yes, ten thousand dollar) deductible. So a family would have to pay $16,600 dollars *in one year * to get any benefit from buying the insurance, and there was no coverage of eyes or dental (nor would they be included in the deducttible).

That is approximately what someone making $2/hour over minimum wage would bring home. Heaven forbid that a member of the family would get sick towards the end of the year…

If you are wondering, a family could reduce the deductible by $5,000–by paying $3,000 more eaxh year.
Real-world cost: We are paying over $1200 a month for a high deductible HSA policy. Actually 2 policies because the first company who would accept me, with an upcharge of course, would not accept our younger son, so we had to get another policy for him alone.

Our deductible is $5,000/year. In effect, except for catastophes such as accidents and cancer, we have no insurance. We pay cash for medical appointments and medications.

That prescription you pay $20 for? The actual cost is probably $300. At least that is what I pay. 😦
 
Put everyone on the federal system and quality of care and all that that entails would be lower for sure:rolleyes:
Yeah, go to the Post Office and imagine THAT as your doctor’s office…

:mad:

Or the DPS.
 
Wellllllllllllll… That was avoidant of the issues.

Siungle* payer*? Is that what you got out of my Posts?

In regard to " Refute you? I have a hard time taking you seriously."

DooooOOOoooo Tell. You have a hard time taking me seriously eh?;)😃
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care act is indeed a large and complex enterprise and there truly is a great deal that is uncertain about its outcome.

We do know that it will

  1. *]Eliminate lifetime and unreasonable annual limits on benefits
    *] Prohibit rescissions of health insurance policies
    *] Provide assistance for those who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition
    *] Require coverage of preventive services and immunizations
    *] Extend dependant coverage up to age 26
    *] Develop uniform coverage documents so consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons when shopping for health insurance
    *] Cap insurance company non-medical, administrative expenditures
    *] Ensure consumers have access to an effective appeals process and provide consumer a place to turn for assistance navigating the appeals process and accessing their coverage
    *]Create a temporary re-insurance program to support coverage for early retirees
    *] Establish an internet portal to assist Americans in identifying coverage options
    *] Facilitate administrative simplification to lower health system costs

    And provide coverage for nearly 32 million more people.

    That is better than doing nothing.

    Now for avoiding questions:
    Nope-it’s a black and white world and we must reject ACA as a whole or we are supporting evil. (not my opinion, but what I am gathering is the CAF-approved opinion)
    How is supporting ACA that different from supporting the United States as a country while at the same time opposing its legal abortion? If it is that black and white we must reject USA as a whole or we are supporting evil.
 
Real-world cost: We are paying over $1200 a month for a high deductible HSA policy. Actually 2 policies because the first company who would accept me, with an upcharge of course, would not accept our younger son, so we had to get another policy for him alone.

Our deductible is $5,000/year. In effect, except for catastophes such as accidents and cancer, we have no insurance. We pay cash for medical appointments and medications.

That prescription you pay $20 for? The actual cost is probably $300. At least that is what I pay. 😦
Of your prescriptions that you pay so much for? Look at what the Pharmacist mark up is ( can you say gouging?) . You will be astounded in many cases. That is where reform must take place for at least* one* thing.
 
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care act is indeed a large and complex enterprise and there truly is a great deal that is uncertain about its outcome.

We do know that it will

  1. *]Eliminate lifetime and unreasonable annual limits on benefits
    *]Prohibit rescissions of health insurance policies
    *]Provide assistance for those who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition
    *]Require coverage of preventive services and immunizations
    *]Extend dependant coverage up to age 26
    *]Develop uniform coverage documents so consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons when shopping for health insurance
    *]Cap insurance company non-medical, administrative expenditures
    *]Ensure consumers have access to an effective appeals process and provide consumer a place to turn for assistance navigating the appeals process and accessing their coverage
    *]Create a temporary re-insurance program to support coverage for early retirees
    *]Establish an internet portal to assist Americans in identifying coverage options
    *]Facilitate administrative simplification to lower health system costs

    And provide coverage for nearly 32 million more people.

    That is better than doing nothing.

    Now for avoiding questions:

    How is supporting ACA that different from supporting the United States as a country while at the same time opposing its legal abortion? If it is that black and white we must reject USA as a whole or we are supporting evil.

  1. And you believe all **that?:rolleyes: **

    Whhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeee! It is really wondersful to - ahem- say all that- isn’t it!

    However - show me the money! Das right! Shows me da money!

    As I pointed out earlier in the link. It just does not add up!:cool:


    No doubt you think Obama care is not a** tax** too!😃 After all! that is what Obama said - right? Why then it must be true! :rolleyes:

    See here:
    thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/flashback-obama-argues-manditory-tax-on-health-care-is-not-a-tax-video/
 
Of your prescriptions that you pay so much for? Look at what the Pharmacist mark up is ( can you say gouging?) . You will be astounded in many cases. That is where reform must take place for at least* one* thing.
It’s not the pharmacists. That’s like blaming the price of a barrel of crude oil on gas stations.

The cost of pharmaceuticals includes research and development, as well as marketing. Part of that high cost is getting the drug through the red tape necessary to put it on the market in the first place. The US develops most of the drugs now in use around the world, and our companies pay the cost for that. Yes, they pass along the cost to consumers and/or insurance companies. It is not the pharmacies who dictate the prices.

Reform is needed in many areas of health care. This bill does nothing to improve health care. It definitely will reduce the quality and availability of health care to everyone.
 
Time alone will tell.

The SCOTUS ruling defines the *lack of tax credit *for those who refuse to have insurance as a tax.

Case closed.
 
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