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I don’t blame you at all for correctly using the term. However, it is a fact that not only we cannot be sure that allowing the rape will have the desired effect on the rapist, but experience shows that it will have a detrimental effect on bothe parties, we can be quite certain that allowing the rape is not an effective way to cure that “damaged will”.I’m using “may” to correctly frame my argument. Neither of us can fully gauge the consequences of every single act on every single mind of every single person. I would make a fool of myself if I claimed to be able to do that. While neither of us can fully analyze the situation, we can make provisional judgments about the situation based on what we can observe. That is what I am doing, and you cannot expect me to have a certainty that you cannot have.
I am, but don’t call me Surely.Surely, as a scientifically minded person, you are familiar with this kind of thing.
How can you claim that? It is only human to feel resentment, anger, the desire to “hit back”. Our house was burglarized once, and it was a traumatic experience - even though it cannot be compared to having one’s body violated. Don’t concentrate on the rape only. It can be torture, murder, rape, etc… in case of a murder the victim is annihilated, and there can be no more “moral integrity”.But the pollution isn’t harming the healthy wetland. The moral integrity of a person is not affected by being raped.
Right on. This is the topic of this thread. The “pure will” is not relevant, only the person’s ability to act on that will.God does have limited resources in the sense that He cannot control our free will (as distinct from the power to act on that will).
Been there, seen it, have a t-shirt to prove it. I have first hand experience, and the fact that I escaped that country (30 years ago) shows that I have higher appreciation for true freedom. But it is still a fact that a single girl could have walked on the streets even at night time, without the fear of molestation. Mind you, in those countries the “will” of the bad guys was not influenced, but their ability to carry out their act was curtailed. And I am sure you are aware of the dangers of attempting to have a peaceful stroll in the “bad areas” of Washington, DC.Communist countries often have very low street crime, because the centralized power wielded by the government can quickly punish any such attempts. This leads to some sort of “peace.” A far better peace is the kind of peace present in highly developed countries like America and western Europe. In these countries, people are generally peaceful because they want to be peaceful. Such countries do have police systems, but generally people enjoy the fruits of peace and therefore desire to continue that peace. It is far better for peace to be rooted in the personal wills of the society rather than the wielders of force.
But this is not what I am talking about. I am talking about conflict resolution. The strategy you argue for is this: “do not curb the violent action by interrupting it forcefully”. You say that it may cure the attacker’s damaged will. You have absolutely no evidence that it will cure it. On the other hand, all evidence shows that uncurbed violence will lead to more violence. If the attacker gets away with his act, it is very likely that he will perform more acts of violence.
Let’s consider game theory. There are two people playing a strategy game, where they can “cooperate” or “antagonize”. Both acts will have an effect on the game, in the form of a payoff matrix. Your proposed strategy is that if one player performs an “antagonistic” move, you should still attempt to “cooperate” (these are mathematical terms here). A simple calculation shows that this is not a good strategy. The “antagonizer” will get more and more “antagonistic”. On the other had, the “retribution” strategy is not good either. If every “hostile” move is met with a “retribution” strategy, both players will “lose”, so to speak. The optimal strategy is to teach that a proper combination and balanace of “appeasment and retribution” will lead to the optimal strategy, where both players will reach the optimum. Of course in Biblical times there was no game theory. Jesus could not have known about the proper ways of conflict resolution. Thus his “ill-advised advice” of “turn the other cheek”, or “do not resist evil”.