Free will: the only one of God's gifts that is truly ours?

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I just had an epiphany today, and I need some CAF opinions about it. I do not know if this was asked and answered already, because when I entered “free will” on the search button, there were LOTS of results. Also, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Just please be light on the philosophical jargon 😛

So this is the epiphany: Almost everything that was “given” to us by God was actually just lent to us. Like stewards of the properties of a master, at the end of the world these gifts will be taken from us and we shall be made accountable for what we had done with what was given to us.

There is one exception: our free will. Just a few hours ago I realized that free will is the only thing of us that God does not directly affect nor does He take it away from us.

Our bodies and all the other physical attributes of ours are affected and even destroyed by Divine Providence. Grace, God can and does take away. Oh sure, free will can be temporarily incapacitated by sleep and anything else that can impair decision making, but then, it is not taken away, but incapacitated, still with us. And even physiologically or physically permanent incapacitation of free will (e.g. permanent coma) is only temporary, for when we die it is returned to us in the afterlife. In fact, death actually perfects free will: all the dead, whether in heaven, purgatory, or hell, have perfect wills. Faith and hope are gifts of the Lord, but they are taken away both in the beatific vision and hell. Free will is never ever taken away from us.

On the other hand, no one can make our decisions for us, ever. Not even the Lord can. Well, He can, but he does not want to. That is why the image of Jesus knocking at the door of our hearts (Rev 3:20) is so poignant: it is only ourselves who can kick Jesus out of our hearts; it is only ourselves who can take Him in. Our other mental faculties—emotions, imagination, understanding, memory etc.—not only can God affect, but also other factors can: by drugs, chemicals, trauma, information, demons, etc. Also, all these other faculties we have no total control. How many of us have the wish of having total control of our imagination so that we do not get distracted! Of our memory so that we don’t forget the good memories, and forget the horrible ones! Of our emotions so that we’re happy all the time!

Of course, one may object for the cases wherein someone made decisions while his capacity to make decisions are impaired, for example the use of drugs like “truth serum” (sodium pentathol) and alcohol. Well, as I said before, in those cases free will was not taken away but incapacitated: free will is intact, because it was not used in the first place.

So therefore, of all the things we have, only free will is really free, really truly ours, never to be taken away.

And this is also the reason why love is the greatest virtue there is. Love is not an emotion, but an act of the will for the good of someone. That is, you will the good of someone. You give your free will, the only thing that is truly yours, for the good of someone else. Love is the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate giving, for you give away what even God does not take away from you.

So, is this epiphany correct? Free will is really, truly ours by God’s design, never to be taken away?

Also, are there any other gifts of God to us that God does not take away (aside from love, that is :D)?
 
Almost everything that was “given” to us by God was actually just lent to us. Like stewards of the properties of a master, at the end of the world these gifts will be taken from us and we shall be made accountable for what we had done with what was given to us.

There is one exception: our free will. Just a few hours ago I realized that free will is the only thing of us that God does not directly affect nor does He take it away from us.
God doesn’t take away our existence. Since we are made in His image we are indestructible…
Our bodies and all the other physical attributes of ours are affected and even destroyed by Divine Providence. Grace, God can and does take away. Oh sure, free will can be temporarily incapacitated by sleep and anything else that can impair decision making, but then, it is not taken away, but incapacitated, still with us. And even physiologically or physically permanent incapacitation of free will (e.g. permanent coma) is only temporary, for when we die it is returned to us in the afterlife. In fact, death actually perfects free will: all the dead, whether in heaven, purgatory, or hell, have perfect wills. Faith and hope are gifts of the Lord, but they are taken away both in the beatific vision and hell. Free will is never ever taken away from us.
I agree - unlike those who believe we lose our free will in heaven or hell.
On the other hand, no one can make our decisions for us, ever. Not even the Lord can. Well, He can, but he does not want to. That is why the image of Jesus knocking at the door of our hearts (Rev 3:20) is so poignant: it is only ourselves who can kick Jesus out of our hearts; it is only ourselves who can take Him in. Our other mental faculties—emotions, imagination, understanding, memory etc.—not only can God affect, but also other factors can: by drugs, chemicals, trauma, information, demons, etc. Also, all these other faculties we have no total control. How many of us have the wish of having total control of our imagination so that we do not get distracted! Of our memory so that we don’t forget the good memories, and forget the horrible ones! Of our emotions so that we’re happy all the time!
Our emotions ultimately depend on what choices we make.
Happiness is the result of love and misery is the result of self-love…

**So therefore, of all the things we have, only free will is really free, really truly ours, never to be taken away.
And this is also the reason why love is the greatest virtue there is. Love is not an emotion, but an act of the will for the good of someone. That is, you will the good of someone. You give your free will, the only thing that is truly yours, for the good of someone else.
Love is the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate giving, for you give away what even God does not take away from you./QUOTE]]By sharing His power with us God virtually gives away some of His free will because we can frustrate His Will. But He remains omnipotent He could in principle take away the power we have. Similarly when we abandon our freedom for some one else we do not actually lose our free will. We cannot because it is God’s gift for ever. We would cease to be persons if we no longer had the power of choice. Love is ongoing and would cease to exist if we could no longer choose to love! The paradox is that we surrender ourselves but we remain in control of our self-surrender!**
 
In my opinion, Free will is a gift from God and free will is free but free will can be taken away from you if you misuse it. Even though it is ours, if you continue to make only bad decisions in life, God will take away the free will given to you because you don’t know how to use it.
 
God doesn’t take away our existence. Since we are made in His image we are indestructible…
Surely God, who is all powerful, could will us out of existence. If he’s not able to do something so easy, how could one call him all powerful?

Addressing the OP. If God is real and free will is granted, it is not a gift that is truly ours.

The reason why it’s not a gift, is that it is forced upon us when God forced us into existence.

One cannot consider a gift something that is not only forced on you, but you have no choice but to accept it.

A real gift, is one where you have the right to refuse it or accept it.

We have no choice at all, as God forces it on us.
 
Thank you for posting your epiphany! I was particularly delighted that we agree God’s gift of free will is unending and irrevocable. 🙂
Excuse me? Please explain how free will is still in effect for the souls condemned to hell for eternity?

Do they have the free will to refuse hell, to escape from hell or to change their mind?

no, no and no.
 
Excuse me? Please explain how free will is still in effect for the souls condemned to hell for eternity?

Do they have the free will to refuse hell, to escape from hell or to change their mind?

no, no and no.
Yes, yes and yes! They condemn themselves…
 
Excuse me? Please explain how free will is still in effect for the souls condemned to hell for eternity?

Do they have the free will to refuse hell, to escape from hell or to change their mind?

no, no and no.
Your negativity seems to apply to every aspect of your philosophy! What precisely do you believe in? :rolleyes:
 
Yes, yes and yes! They condemn themselves…
Did their free will create hell? No.

Did their free will create their existence? No.

Did their free will create the rules of salvation? No.

If God is real, there is no real free will.
 
Did their free will create hell? No.

Did their free will create their existence? No.

Did their free will create the rules of salvation? No.

If God is real, there is no real free will.
I hardly think it is sensible to state that because of external conditions ones will is not free; as these external things are only an influence on the object-formation of the contemplation of their future acts in their minds; the priority of their will to decide irrespective of such externals exists essentially; as the mind is the wills posterior.
The natural universe and my being alive within it.
How can you define the natural universe without accepting the priority of the will in the predication of an act; if one is to take that experiential influences are formulative of existence; such a virtue of our will indicates that it is as real in freedom as the desk infront of me. That is, holding objects in the natural universe to be that which they are percieved to be in general.

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Did their free will create hell? No.
Yes! Hell is a state of self-inflicted isolation from God.
Did their free will create their existence? No.
Their isolated existence is the result of their abuse of free will.
Did their free will create the rules of salvation? No.
Their abuse of free will isolates them from God.
If God is real, there is no real free will.
Without God free will could not exist!
 
Yes! Hell is a state of self-inflicted isolation from God.

Their isolated existence is the result of their abuse of free will.

Their abuse of free will isolates them from God.

Without God free will could not exist!
I’m at a loss to explain how you could possibly think that my free will caused me existence?

If God is real, he forced existence on me and he forces judgement upon me. I was not free to decline existence, I am not free in choosing to opt out of judgment and I am not free to decline both heaven and hell.
 
In my opinion, Free will is a gift from God and free will is free but free will can be taken away from you if you misuse it. Even though it is ours, if you continue to make only bad decisions in life, God will take away the free will given to you because you don’t know how to use it.
How can free will be taken away from you, Gloria1?
 
Surely God, who is all powerful, could will us out of existence. If he’s not able to do something so easy, how could one call him all powerful?

Addressing the OP. If God is real and free will is granted, it is not a gift that is truly ours.

The reason why it’s not a gift, is that it is forced upon us when God forced us into existence.

One cannot consider a gift something that is not only forced on you, but you have no choice but to accept it.

A real gift, is one where you have the right to refuse it or accept it.

We have no choice at all, as God forces it on us.
When you get something, you always have a choice: will you accept it or not?

God gave you free will, are you going to thank Him or not? My goodness, whether you use your free will or not to make a choice IS a choice! You already used your free will to NOT choose!!

There will ALWAYS be things forced on you that you have no control. Do you have a choice whether you will die or not? Do you have a choice to be given birth or not? Do you have a choice for the weather today?

But, and this is a very big BUT, you always HAVE a choice to do something about those uncontrollable things chosen for you. Do you choose to be ready for your death or not? Do you choose to be grateful for your birth or not? Do you choose to be ready according to the weather forecast today or not?

Even those in a POW camp, slaves, victims of murder and rape… do they HAVE to consent in their hearts what their bodies are being forced to do? Of course not!

Free will is always free, and it never can be taken away from you.
 
I’m at a loss to explain how you could possibly think that my free will caused me existence?

If God is real, he forced existence on me and he forces judgement upon me. I was not free to decline existence, I am not free in choosing to opt out of judgment and I am not free to decline both heaven and hell.
Again, it is YOUR choice to not be thankful for your birth.

It is YOUR choice to resent the judgment being done on you.
 
If God is real, he forced existence on me and he forces judgement upon me. I was not free to decline existence, I am not free in choosing to opt out of judgment and I am not free to decline both heaven and hell.
He didn’t force it on you, you didn’t exist before he made you!

Now that you do exist, your existence is a gift. Your nature is such that you are fully fulfilled by doing His will and thus passing judgment to achieve salvation. Choosing to opt out of the process is to choose to do something not according to your nature and thus not desirable. Lamenting this is akin to feeling sorry for the number 5 because it isn’t 2+2.

The freedom you are wishing for isn’t true freedom, rather it is license. To quote Matthew Kelly, true freedom is that freedom to become the best version of yourself. Don’t feel bad about that confusion though, it is a very, very common misconception.
 
He didn’t force it on you, you didn’t exist before he made you!

Now that you do exist, your existence is a gift. Your nature is such that you are fully fulfilled by doing His will and thus passing judgment to achieve salvation. Choosing to opt out of the process is to choose to do something not according to your nature and thus not desirable. Lamenting this is akin to feeling sorry for the number 5 because it isn’t 2+2.

The freedom you are wishing for isn’t true freedom, rather it is license. To quote Matthew Kelly, true freedom is that freedom to become the best version of yourself. Don’t feel bad about that confusion though, it is a very, very common misconception.
I don’t want this gift. I want the freedom to opt out of Gods plan of salvation…I donLt want to choose heaven or hell…I want to use my free will to opt out.

May I opt out?
 
I don’t want this gift. I want the freedom to opt out of Gods plan of salvation…I donLt want to choose heaven or hell…I want to use my free will to opt out.

May I opt out?
Nice questions. Before asking “may I” you should ask “can I” (as in, “is it possible”). And the answer is no. Opting out of God’s plan = rejecting God = choosing hell. Sorry, that’s just how the terms are defined.

On the other hand you could opt out of what you mistakenly believe to be God’s plan, which wouldn’t necessarily be rejecting God.
 
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