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Genesis315
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The whole Bible. Mary did none of these things. Also, sacred Apostolic Tradition confirms this.
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Scott_Waddell
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OkeyDokei said:
I think you are getting a little too defensive at this point. It was your assertion that faith and reason are at odds–you need to support this not with a pithy quote, but an actual argument.
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OkeyDokei
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Scott Waddell:
I do not need to study more of religion. I have put much of my young little life into the christian religion and doctrines. I think im going to pretend like i do not have a religion. Study everything lightly first. Then make an educated decision from there.
Yes, of course it can be resisted, im resisting the urge to go eat more pizza right now…But it cannot be resisted in an absolute form…
I do not need to study more of religion. I have put much of my young little life into the christian religion and doctrines. I think im going to pretend like i do not have a religion. Study everything lightly first. Then make an educated decision from there.
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OkeyDokei
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The bible does not document every minute of any person’s life…
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Genesis315
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This is not really on the topic of the thread, but it depends. If they are invincibly ignorant to the need for baptism, and if they knew it was necessary they would desire it, then they may be saved. This same principle applies to people who never hear about Jesus (ie jungle tribes, etc.).
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OkeyDokei said:
You have to be baptised sometime, you cannot be a christian and not be.
Right we do give in to temptation, but here is the kicker:
IT IS A SIN TO DO SO AND COULD COST YOU OR ME OR ANYONE OUR SOUL!!!
Why do I say “Man up?” Because that’s what you need to do, accept the cross. Quite frankly I don’t give a rip if it offends you when I say so, I’d rather tick you off and have you rethink your position than go to hell with a smile on your face.
I have my own problems, they drive me to tears several times a week. And yet I have no idea how bad it may be fore you, but does any of that matter? No, not really. It’s either die to the sin, to let teh sin kill you. Simple. It suckls, but tought cookies. That’s the bargin of our lot.
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Genesis315
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Exactly. This question is part of a bigger issue involving the infallibility of Tradition and the Magesterium which will require another thread (actually do a search if you’re interested).
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OkeyDokei
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Scott Waddell:
By no means do i assert this, i just copied in a insightfull quote! Maybe to open some minds…Probably didn’t work though. The argument is philosophical, and one i do not agree with in the first place. Yet, it makes sense more than pure faith and trust in god over personal logic as the bible instructs if i remember/interpret…
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Scott_Waddell
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Ok, but quite frankly little in your posts indicates this. Also, this thread is all over the map, so I leave it to you.
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Genesis315
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You interpret wrong if you say we should use blind faith. Mary (what a great example) pondered the things the angel told her (Luke 1). Also, see 1 Peter 3:15. We are to give reasons for our hope. Knowledge and logic are good. God created us in His image which specifically means our rational minds. He wants us to use them.
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OkeyDokei
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One thing is for certain, it is not me who needs to man up. It is much easier to accept what you “know” as truth. Do not question what you believe, it is true, how can it be wrong? I am doing this very thing… I am going against the general belief in search for truth. You need to man up my friend, you live your life and it drives you to tears? Man up, have the courage to ask yourself and compare what you believe to the thousands of others of beliefs out there… The other doctrines, The other religions… This is what got me thinking.
To tell you the truth, if i believe in all of what Christ taught, but i was not baptised for whatever reason…And if then God does not accept me into heaven…It would not matter to me, because our lord would be no better than lucifer himself.
We give into temptatin, and it costs us our soul? No… We repent, we are not all going to hell, and not all loosing our souls. Im afraid you need to do your research [sarcasm]
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OkeyDokei
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Scott Waddell:
Because i do not cite something, some quote, some passage in which we both already know?
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OkeyDokei
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No, i was reffering to proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
Faith , not blind, over your own logic…
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Genesis315
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Well, “own understanding” is the key phrase. We tend to misunderstand every once in a while and it would be bad to lean on falsehood instead of Truth.
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OkeyDokei
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If i am not interpretting this correctly, that we should trust in the lord over what we know and can logically understand… Then im afraid i am wrong about the very existance of Jesus…
I do not believe im wrong in either of these cases…
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Genesis315
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Well, they should not be in conflict. If they are, you are probably misunderstanding something. Trust in the Lord, He will lead you to the Truth.
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OkeyDokei
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They conflict because i am using the same method of interpretation for each…
I am having trouble trusting in the lord, i am begining to doubt…I dont know if i am capable of completly trusting any more…
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Genesis315
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What method of interpration? What do you mean? Why are you not trusting? (this might make for a good thread on its own if you want to start a new one, threads usually get shut down when they stray too far from the original topic, as this one has).
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OkeyDokei
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I apply my own understanding to each word i read, i apply my logic to each. I came up with the results based ont his.
I am begining to doubt based on personal experianecs, religious data of the coruption, the lies, the contradictions in the church and bible that many atheists argue. Some of them make so much sense to me i can’t help but think What if…
What if christianity is wrong? Although i will probably go to hell for even thinking this [sarcasm/]
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Hey, if it’s wrong for me to be sorry for my sins, that it tears my heart to know that each stripe on Jesus’ back was because of me, then I don’t want to be right.
I’ve been there, and it’s all worng. The Truth is Jesus Christ, and is tought in it’s fullness by His Bride, the Catholic Church. You needn’t know my whole story, but the sooner you see this Truth, the easier your life will be.
If you were unable to be baptised before your death then you would have a baptisim of desire, if you were myrtered they a babtism of blood, if you were lazy? I don’t know, you’re going to have to take that up with Jesus. Better safe than firewood.
Heh, you can’t legalize your way out of it. If you sin knowing that you can be forgiven then you are tempting God. Not exactly the smartest thing to do.
How old are you? I’m hoping that you are young and foolish, we all go through that, we don’t have to, but for the most part we do., Wait untill you get knocked on your *** a few times, you will see.
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