Freemasonry - A coven of warlocks?

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There are a lot of questions out there about Freemasonry. The Masons.

Can a Catholic join?
Is it a sin?
What are the moral implications?
If you are one, can you stay one?

Hard for most to say because its a secret fraternity. Who knows what goes on there?

EWTN had a program about it. A Mason who had reached the highest rank and had gone through all the “Chairs” was a guest on Abundant Life. He came back to the Church after a journey through darkness and gave EWTN the straight facts. Not opinions. Facts.

youtube.com/watch?v=gFhuLCR98L4

Here is the link. Its the first 10 minutes or so.
 
freemasons engage in strange satanic wiccan rituals. They often sacrifice goats in their evil demon summoning rituals.
 
3/17/09 Happy ST. Patrick’s Day
Just saw the Abundant Life with Jonette B. and John Salza regarding this topic. It was on Saturday 3/14/09.

All of the aol and youtube videos have been removed from internet. Weird.
 
wasmit said:
freemasons engage in strange satanic wiccan rituals. They often sacrifice goats in their evil demon summoning rituals.
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Wiccans sacrifice goats and summon demons? LOL

Other than “Hiss, hiss, they’re evil”, what’s so bad about Freemasons?
 
MarieCB said:
Wiccans sacrifice goats and summon demons? LOL

Other than “Hiss, hiss, they’re evil”, what’s so bad about Freemasons?
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My original link was removed by the owner. Try this. Click here: youtube.com/watch?v=icA28lRdBvk

It is 10 minutes of about a 40 minute program on EWTN. You will see what is up with this bunch. If you search Youtube, you can see it all in 10 minute programs.
 
Wiccans do not sacrifice goats or any other living creature. Nor do they worship Satan.

(Yes, you may think that the Wiccan pantheon- which is often the deities of antiquity- is actually full of demons- fine. BUT do not accuse them of sarcrificing living creatures!)

I have read many Freemason and related groups ceremonies- there is nothing Satanic about them. So, while you can believe that what they do in their ceremonies is “wrong”, they are not Satanic.

Interestinly enough, there is a connection between Masonry and Wicca. The founder of Wicca was also a Mason. And he had some Mason friends write some of the rituals. Of course, there are many types of Wiccans and many write their own rituals. Still, there is a MAsonic influence.
 
wasmit said:
freemasons engage in strange satanic wiccan rituals. They often sacrifice goats in their evil demon summoning rituals.
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You’ve got to be kidding me? While as a Catholic I would not join, please don’t be so ignorant as to actually believe this.
 
The Christian author Charles Kraft writes that Freemasonry will produce a curse that will be passed on to the children. For the skeptic, the Bible has many references to multigenerational curses. No, it does not seem fair, but it is what it is.

YYY
 
Don’t know much about Kraft, but please take the generational curse with a grain of salt.

Enlighten us, who is Kraft?
 
wasmit said:
freemasons engage in strange satanic wiccan rituals. They often sacrifice goats in their evil demon summoning rituals.
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wasmit,

Thank you very much for your post.

Wow… I have been a mason since July of 2003 and have neither heard nor seen anything satanic or wiccan… I don’t even remember the last time I’ve seen a goat.

Thank you again for your posts.
 
wasmit said:
freemasons engage in strange satanic wiccan rituals. They often sacrifice goats in their evil demon summoning rituals.
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They don’t sacrifice goats. Please don’t say things like this. It undermines the credibility of people who assert for good reason that freemasonry is against the church.

I was a member of two masonic “appendant bodies”–groups attached to, but not part of, the masonic lodge. My son’s father, to whom I was married for eight years, was and is a committed mason. Part of the problem with defending the church’s stance on masonry is that there isn’t anything like goat sacrifice that would automatically lead someone to believe that it was of the devil. In fact, a lot of the tenets of masonry make sense on the surface. Equality is emphasized, and brethren are encouraged to be active in the religious congregations of their own choice. They emphasize over and over that it is not a religion. However, it has its own rituals (in which some inexcusable liberties are taken with the Holy Bible), its own code of morality, and its own mode of prayer. They even have their own legal code. Protection of the “secret work” is at the center of a mason’s life in the world, even though the ceremonies have been published word-for-word (see Born in Blood by John J. Robinson) So, my reason for leaving masonic organizations is twofold:
  1. The ceremonies and “teachings” take liberties with the Bible by saying things are in there which are not and associating their own interpretations to Holy Scripture. By belonging, I condone that.
  2. As a Catholic, I believe in one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation. Since masonry and its associated groups are a de facto religion, I cannot belong to masonic groups and the Catholic Church at the same time.
It is also said that “by their fruits ye shall know them.” In my experience, there are not a lot of spiritual fruits coming from masonry or its associated bodies, and that’s why I chose to end that relationship.

All that being said, please research carefully the reasons why the Church forbids participation in these activities, because if you just go around spouting nonsense, no one will listen to you.
 
goodlife said:
3/17/09 Happy ST. Patrick’s Day
Just saw the Abundant Life with Jonette B. and John Salza regarding this topic. It was on Saturday 3/14/09.

All of the aol and youtube videos have been removed from internet. Weird.
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Copywrite infringment…not supposed to be any videos from any t.v. or movie unless you pay for the right to post it…
 
DallasTexas said:
Wow… I have been a mason since July of 2003
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Then it’s been a long time since you’ve received the Eucharist, I (unfortunately) hope.

From the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:
Precisely by considering all these elements, the Declaration of the Sacred Congregation affirms that membership in Masonic associations «remains forbidden by the Church», and the faithful who enrolls in them «are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion».
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With this last statement, the Sacred Congregation points out to the faithful that this membership objectively constitutes a grave sin and by specifying that the members of a Masonic association may not receive Holy Communion, it intends to enlighten the conscience of the faithful about a grave consequence which must derive from their belonging to a Masonic lodge.
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Finally, the Sacred Congregation declares that «it is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above». In this regard, the text also refers to the Declaration of 17 February 1981, which already reserved to the Apostolic See all pronouncements on the nature of these associations which may have implied derogations from the Canon Law then in force (Can. 2335). In the same way, the new document issued by the S.C.D.F. in November 1983 expresses identical intentions of reserve concerning pronouncements which would differ from the judgment expressed here on the irreconcilability of Masonic principles with the Catholic faith, on the gravity of the act of joining a lodge and on the consequences which arise from it for receiving Holy Communion. This disposition points out that, despite the diversity which may exist among Masonic obediences, in particular in their declared attitude towards the Church, the Apostolic See discerns some common principles in them which require the same evaluation by all ecclesiastical authorities.
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In making this Declaration, the S.C.D.F. has not intended to disown the efforts made by those who, with the due authorization of this Congregation, have sought to establish a dialogue with representatives of Freemasonry. But since there was the possibility of spreading among the faithful the erroneous opinion that membership in a Masonic lodge was lawful, it felt that it was its duty to make known to them the authentic thought of the Church in this regard and to warn them about a membership incompatible with the Catholic faith.
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It doesn’t matter how much you may think that the Church is mistaken about the Masons. The CDF has spoken: Leave the Masons, go to confession, and licitly receive the Eucharist once again.

Jeremy
 
LynnGM said:
Wiccans do not sacrifice goats or any other living creature. Nor do they worship Satan.

(Yes, you may think that the Wiccan pantheon- which is often the deities of antiquity- is actually full of demons- fine. BUT do not accuse them of sarcrificing living creatures!)

I have read many Freemason and related groups ceremonies- there is nothing Satanic about them. So, while you can believe that what they do in their ceremonies is “wrong”, they are not Satanic.

Interestinly enough, there is a connection between Masonry and Wicca. The founder of Wicca was also a Mason. And he had some Mason friends write some of the rituals. Of course, there are many types of Wiccans and many write their own rituals. Still, there is a MAsonic influence.
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A post written in pink ? Now that really is significant - if one has a nasty suspicious mind 🙂 The film “Flash Gordon” includes a character who wears a Masonic emblem - presumably that is “proof” that the film is propagating Wicca.​

There are similarities beween Christianity & some earlier religions - but that is no reason to suppose Christianity is re-heated nature-worship; so why is this reasoning from guilt by association of any weight here ? Some Wiccans are probably Irish - that’s no reason to brand Irish-American Catholics secret Wiccans. Connections, if real, are merely facts. What matters is, what kind of connection is meant.
 
DallasTexas said:
wasmit,

Thank you very much for your post.

Wow… I have been a mason since July of 2003 and have neither heard nor seen anything satanic or wiccan… I don’t even remember the last time I’ve seen a goat.

Thank you again for your posts.
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You do realize that it is a mortal sin for a Catholic to join the Freemasons right?
YipYupYep said:
Hello,

There are a lot of questions out there about Freemasonry. The Masons.

Can a Catholic join?
Is it a sin?
What are the moral implications?
If you are one, can you stay one?

Hard for most to say because its a secret fraternity. Who knows what goes on there?

EWTN had a program about it. A Mason who had reached the highest rank and had gone through all the “Chairs” was a guest on Abundant Life. He came back to the Church after a journey through darkness and gave EWTN the straight facts. Not opinions. Facts.

youtube.com/watch?v=gFhuLCR98L4

Here is the link. Its the first 10 minutes or so.
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No, a Catholic cannot join. Yes, it is a grave sin. The moral implications are damnation in eternal Hell. And no, if you are already a mason, you cannot remain a mason. Also, if you are converting to Catholicism and are currently a mason, you must leave the Freemasons and renounce them.
wasmit said:
freemasons engage in strange satanic wiccan rituals. They often sacrifice goats in their evil demon summoning rituals.
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Please. Where’d you get this “information”? Jack Chick? :rolleyes:
MarieCB said:
Wiccans sacrifice goats and summon demons? LOL

Other than “Hiss, hiss, they’re evil”, what’s so bad about Freemasons?
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They’re anti-Catholic. Is that evil enough for you? And technically the Wiccans do summon demons. They summon spirits (and will probably even admit this) and though they may not realize it, those spirits (even the “good” spirits) are demons.
 
DallasTexas said:
wasmit,

Thank you very much for your post.

Wow… **I have been a mason since July of 2003 **and have neither heard nor seen anything satanic or wiccan… I don’t even remember the last time I’ve seen a goat.

Thank you again for your posts.
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That’s nothing to boast about but rather be ashamed of. Its against Church teaching as you very well know and means you are in a state of mortal sin and cannot receive Holy Communion.
 
I’m a Catholic and come from a long line of men and women who were involved in Freemasonry. I myself am a Masonic Lodge member. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone being a warlock, witch, or any action approaching a blood sacrifice of any kind! There are many Catholics in this area who are Masons as opposed to being Knights of Columbus.

Our Lodge involves itself with what we Catholics used to call the Corporal Works of Mercy- which, incidentally, many Catholics have forgotten about or do not know. That’s just the beginning.

I know of many Catholic pastors who have banned the K of C from their parishes for what I assume are good reasons. I’ve never seen a Masonic Lodge member turned away like that and in fact know of a number of priests who are Freemasons.

Please, folks, don’t condemn or disparage Freemasonry without knowing the facts- and I don’t mean the supposed “facts” you might hear from an organization like EWTN. I’m not condemning EWTN- it stands for many of the same things as I do, but they have a penchant for deciding what’s good and what’s not. The latter is God’s decision to make and not theirs or ours.
 
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