Freemasonry A Evil Group

[workingman]

One source for …Jesuits and the Masonic is from an ex Roman Catholic and has his own website in South Africa, agreed he can be sensationalist but is very interesting indeed… so here we go…www.amazingdiscoveries.org/the-new-age-movement-and-maitreya. Mixed in with New Age stuff and Spiritualism etc.

A very interesting Website ladies and gentlemen. Even slightly weird, strange but true, fact is stranger than fiction, the truth will make you free…Michael.

Symbols used by the New Age Movement are essentially the same as those used by the Jesuit Order and Freemasonry, and we can trace their origin to Babylon and Egypt. Freemasonry uses the acronym �Solomon� and Solomon�s temple to give legitimacy to their rituals, but the rituals are essentially the same as found in all pagan secret societies. Sol � om � on are the names of the solar deity in Latin, Eastern mysticism and ancient Egyptian mysticism. The �born again� experience of Freemasonry and many other secret societies and religious bodies cannot be equated with the Biblical concept of conversion, since they entail rituals such as lying in a coffin and being raised to a life of enlightenment by a master. Moreover, the temple rituals are precisely those that God instructed His people not to follow since they involve the glorification of celestial bodies. Temple terminology, Mithraism, Eastern Religions, and modern Christianity are all equated in the New Age and placed in the context of Babylonian mysteries � the new religion for the New Age. Their own writing illustrate this point:
… the two pillars of Jachin and Boaz… came into being approximately eight thousand years ago. Then came Taurus, the Bull, wherein Mithra came as the world Teacher and instituted the Mysteries of Mithras with an (apparent) worship of the Bull. Next followed Aries the Ram, which saw the start of the Jewish Dispensation which is of importance to the Jews and unfortunately of importance to the Christian religion, but of no importance to the untold millions in the other parts of the world; during this cycle came the Buddha, Shri Krishna and Sankaracharva; finally we have the age of Pisces the Fishes, which brought to us the Christ. The sequence of the Mysteries which each of the signs of the Zodiac embodies will be clarified for us by the Christ.[viii]
(this came from amazingdiscoveries.org/the-new-age-movement-and-maitreya.htmlsearched=freemasonry&advsearch=oneword&highlight=ajaxSearch_highlightajaxSearch_highlight1).
I am assuming that the above is your tie to the Jesuits. I think the guy is grabbing at straws. :whacky: /COLOR]

 

[DallasTexas]

Dallas,
Could you please provide a copy, in this thread, of the oath you swore when initiated as a 32 degree Scottish Rite Mason?
Shouldn’t be a problem, at all for you, considering it’s not at all religious, blasphemous or in contradiction to the Teachings of the Catholic Church right?
You want the Church to bend for you so I believe it is only fair to divulge those things that Faithful Catholics and the Church may see as suspect.
Also, could you clarify something? You became a 32 degree Mason in your first year after joining the Lodge correct? I don’t know how it works so could you explain how you skipped so many degrees and jumped to 32 degree in a year? Thanks.

Looking forward to hearing from you and you posting that oath!
I know as a Faithful Catholic you wouldn’t lie about it or falsify anything.
Thanks again!
God bless!

Jam,

Thank you for your post.

I’ve looked around and I don’t have a copy of an oath for the 32nd degree. I don’t really even remember if there is one

I am looking for it online and can’t find it. It’s probably in the Scottish Rite monitor–I was trying to check for an online copy of it.

Thank you,

 

[DallasTexas]

please see this dialogue (same website) where salza CLEARLY demonstrates this. Hope this helps. In the end the mason he talks admits that this is wrong.

scripturecatholic.com/freemasonry_qa.html#tradition-16

You don’t want to buy the book of the site? why not? if you want you can email him directly if that is easier for you.

Louie,

Thank you very much for your post.

I read the Salza’s page but was unable to see were he clearly demonstrates anything. Using his line of reasoning one could prove wrong General Electric… General Electric states that it “brings good things to light”–is this bad to say?

James 1:5 says implies that we may pray to God. What is wrong with this? Whether we are praying to God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit… it’s all the same being.

Let me know if you see some points in Salza’s page that I missed (it’s pretty lengthy).

I will not buy his book because I think his intention of writing it is more for profit versus truth. I do not know him and am not certain of this, but will proceed to find it in a library first.

Thank you again for your posting.

 

[human_being]

Freemasonry has all the trappings of a religion: a Temple, Altars, Prayers, Hymns, and lo and behold when you die you can have a Masonic Funeral complete with Benediction and all, and even have a square and compass engraved on your and your wife’s tombstone if you’re a Mason because what Christian needs a cross when you can go into eternity with the square and compass over you. And not just a Mason but a Mason’s wife can have that engraved on her tombstone even if she’s Catholic and even though she never was allowed in the Brotherhood.

But I’m even more delighted in making this my last post on this thread. That’s it. It just gets aggravating after a while having to defend the Vatican’s teaching of grave sin on a Catholic Forum. God Bless you Joe! I really am over and out on this thread. It will do my blood pressure a world of good.

One important question about this.
My uncle was a mason most of his life. He died a few years ago. He didn’t seem like a bad guy. Just crabby.He married one of my mothers older sisters.There were 13 siblings in my mothers family and most of the women(but not my mother) left the catholic church to become members of their husbands church. My grandmother was raised in an orphanage run by nuns in NYC. She was Catholic and named all of her children with names of saints. She died when I was a baby.
Back to my concern…The uncle mentioned above was a Lutheren and mason.My aunt became lutheren as she married him.I believe she was a faithful lutheren. She was a baptised catholic. My uncle had a masonic funeral. My aunt has recently been told that she has cancer of the liver and only has six months to live. Alot of their friends were and probably are still masons.They are nice people and my aunt is one of the nicest and unjudgemental people that anyone can meet. She is 78 years old.
I question myself with alot of my relatives who have left for their husbands religions. I feel like telling them to go back to the church but feel more strongly that it’s none of my business. They are older and wiser than me. And they know that I have not lived a shining example of the catholic faith my whole life. I just returned to the church about 6-7 years ago, and this has been my longest streak of making mass every weak for about 1 year.
Back to the issue of my dying aunt…I don’t know what my uncles tombstone looks like but don’t doubt that a whole masonic thing was involved with his funeral. I wonder for my aunts sake. I wonder if I should tell her to go to confession one last time, for she is a baptised catholic. I wonder if I should tell her not to have a masonic funeral,for she was such a nice woman and only did what her husband told her to as was the custom with women her age. My mother and her sisters would probably tell me" it’s none of my business. God will take her to heaven even if she was a lutheren or a mason and I might just get her all emotional at a bad time of her life if I mention any of this too her." Do you think a wife of a mason would go to hell if she has a masonic funeral which was probably requested by her husband? I’m sure she had no ideas of the evils of freemasonry. She just did as her husband told her. And probably believed wholeheartedly that she was pleasing God by pleasing her husband.

 

[human_being]

What is it that they do that is not right? I read that they owe each other favors and must grant them if certain gestures or hand signs are given.
Do you think that they’d sell a country out over freemasonry? Such as maybe a high ranking freemason politician selling out major U.S. business deals to a freemason say from China, Japan, India, or Mexico? Would they sell our own people out as a freemason favor or obligation? Does freemasonic brotherhood come before “country” ? Would a high ranking freemason (and some of our politicians have been) send U.S. troops to war as a freemason obligation or favor to a “brother” ? Would they alter our laws as an obligation to a foreign brother mason? How about our trade policies? As a high ranking former mason would you,or could you be able to answer any of these questions? Would you feel safe to answer?

I wanted to repost this because i was wondering if a mason,especially a high-ranking one could, or would answer this. It was a reply to post #243 or so by Augie, a former 32nd degree mason.

 

[KyivAndrew]

Hi Human Being, I promised myself I would not post on this thread but sounds like a personal plea here from you. I would think that your aunt would be happy with a Lutheran funeral, no? I personally do not subscribe 100% (not sure) to the belief that there is no salvation outside of the Church, in that I believe that though Jesus Christ is the only way to God, only God knows how the non-Christian or non-Catholic understood and lived their life, a point the eminent English journalist and Catholic historian Paul Johnson made in his personal book on God. Only God knows, not some Grand Master.

God is Love and is available to all, not through secret initiation rites and hidden knowledge (which is Masonry’s foundation and is a heresy called Gnosticism), but through willing acceptance of Christ as savior. I believe your aunt as a Lutheran would agree? The last thing God wants of the pure in heart or those suffering is trauma and inordinate fear in hell, I believe. I do not know your family history but am sure it sounds like your aunt would want a Christian funeral.

On the topic of hell, here is a very eye-opening article which discusses the view of Hell of perhaps the most prominent Catholic theologian of the last century Hans Urs von Balthasar Dare We Hope That All Men Will Be Saved, which I and others posted on a thread in this forum entitled who goes to hell. The thesis is not official Catholic Dogma but neither His Holiness JP2 or Benedict ever condemned it. The article is from an ecumenical religious journal which was edited by the late Father Neuhaus called First Things/U] firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=488 .

Christian rites for the dead are available for all to see. It would be nice if one, in contemplating how a loved one is to be buried, would not have to worry about paganism, as one former Freemason steeped in the ritual posted at the beginning of this thread and how he worries for his dad, but that’s at the beginning of this thread.

If you worry about a loved one’s soul, you can NEVER, EVER go wrong with Christian prayer or even ordering a Catholic or Lutheran mass for the repose of the loved one’s soul. Jesus Will Hear It!. Throw all your worries on Jesus Christ. God Bless!

 

[human_being]

Hi Human Being, I promised myself I would not post on this thread but sounds like a personal plea here from you. I would think that your aunt would be happy with a Lutheran funeral, no? I personally do not subscribe 100% (not sure) to the belief that there is no salvation outside of the Church, in that I believe that though Jesus Christ is the only way to God, only God knows how the non-Christian or non-Catholic understood and lived their life, a point the eminent English journalist and Catholic historian Paul Johnson made in his personal book on God. Only God knows, not some Grand Master.

God is Love and is available to all, not through secret initiation rites and hidden knowledge (which is Masonry’s foundation and is a heresy called Gnosticism), but through willing acceptance of Christ as savior. I believe your aunt as a Lutheran would agree? The last thing God wants of the pure in heart or those suffering is trauma and inordinate fear in hell, I believe. I do not know your family history but am sure it sounds like your aunt would want a Christian funeral.

On the topic of hell, here is a very eye-opening article which discusses the view of Hell of perhaps the most prominent Catholic theologian of the last century Hans Urs von Balthasar Dare We Hope That All Men Will Be Saved, which I and others posted on a thread in this forum entitled who goes to hell. The thesis is not official Catholic Dogma but neither His Holiness JP2 or Benedict ever condemned it. The article is from an ecumenical religious journal which was edited by the late Father Neuhaus called First Things/U] firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=488 .

Christian rites for the dead are available for all to see. It would be nice if one, in contemplating how a loved one is to be buried, would not have to worry about paganism, as one former Freemason steeped in the ritual posted at the beginning of this thread and how he worries for his dad, but that’s at the beginning of this thread.

If you worry about a loved one’s soul, you can NEVER, EVER go wrong with Christian prayer or even ordering a Catholic or Lutheran mass for the repose of the loved one’s soul. Jesus Will Hear It!. Throw all your worries on Jesus Christ. God Bless! My problem isn’t so much a concern of the lutheren funeral. My concern is that my uncle was a freemason and my aunt associates with them also. I’m almost positive that the masons had something to do with his funeral. and I’m pretty sure they might have something to do with hers. You’re right about not having her worry about hell right now. but I worry about it. She’s always been a nice,caring and unselfish woman. I just worry that if freemason type rituals go on at her funeral it would endanger her soul. I’m pretty sure at the very least they would appoint pall bearers and who knows what else. She would have no idea of the evils discussed about freemasonry on this thread. Thanks for responding to my personal message.

 

[DallasTexas]

Human being,

Thank you very much for your post. I am a Master Mason (3rd degree) and a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason.

When you say high-ranking, I assume you mean 32nd degree. In reality a 3rd degree is the “top” of masonry. Scottish Rite, York Rite, Shrine etc are auxiliary groups. It is not really a hierarchical organization. Each state is autonomous for Freemasonry.

What is it that they do that is not right?

Nothing that I know of.

I read that they owe each other favors and must grant them if certain gestures or hand signs are given.

I mason is obliged to put God, family, and country before masonry. If a brother mason asks me to do something that:

is against my beliefs, I will not do it;
harmful to the physical or economical security of my family, I will not do it;
against my country, I will not do it.

If you are able to help a brother, you should–it is also said that you never know who is a brother so you should treat everyone as such.

Do you think that they’d sell a country out over freemasonry?

No.

Such as maybe a high ranking freemason politician selling out major U.S. business deals to a freemason say from China, Japan, India, or Mexico?

No.

Would they sell our own people out as a freemason favor or obligation?

No.

Does freemasonic brotherhood come before “country” ?

No.

Would a high ranking freemason (and some of our politicians have been) send U.S. troops to war as a freemason obligation or favor to a “brother” ?

No.

Would they alter our laws as an obligation to a foreign brother mason?

No.

How about our trade policies?

No.

As a high ranking former mason would you,or could you be able to answer any of these questions?

Yes. I am not and could not be censured.

Would you feel safe to answer?

Yes. Totally safe.

Thank you again for your posting.

 

[human_being]

Human being,

Thank you very much for your post. I am a Master Mason (3rd degree) and a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason.

When you say high-ranking, I assume you mean 32nd degree. In reality a 3rd degree is the “top” of masonry. Scottish Rite, York Rite, Shrine etc are auxiliary groups. It is not really a hierarchical organization. Each state is autonomous for Freemasonry.

Nothing that I know of.

I mason is obliged to put God, family, and country before masonry. If a brother mason asks me to do something that:

is against my beliefs, I will not do it;
harmful to the physical or economical security of my family, I will not do it;
against my country, I will not do it.

If you are able to help a brother, you should–it is also said that you never know who is a brother so you should treat everyone as such.

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

Yes. I am not and could not be censured.

Yes. Totally safe.

Thank you again for your posting.

Very good answers. I choose to trust you on your answers but I’m still wary of all high ranking mason’s as being so loyal.

 

[DallasTexas]

Very good answers. I choose to trust you on your answers but I’m still wary of all high ranking mason’s as being so loyal.

Human being,

Thank you for your post.

I saw this on the below posted website.

**What Masonry is: **

It is a voluntary association of men

It is a system of moral conduct

It is a way of life

It is a fraternal society

It is religious in its character

It teaches the Golden Rule

It seeks to make good men better men

It teaches morality through symbolism

It uses rites and ceremonies to instruct its members

It is based on a firm belief in the Fatherhood of God, The Brotherhood of Man, and the immortality of the Soul.

What Masonry is not:

It does not solicit members

It is not an insurance or benefit society

It is neither a religion nor a creed nor a religious order

It is not a charity organization, but makes charity a duty

It is not organized for profit

It dictates to no man as to his beliefs, either religious or secular

It seeks no advantages for its member through business or politics

It is not a forum for discussion of religion, politics or other partisan affairs

It is not a secret society, as it does not conceal its existence or purposes.

easttrinity.com/whatis.php

---

This is not my lodge but I knew many of it’s members when I was growing up in this town. My preacher, many of our deacons, the county judge, and our US congressman.

They’re good men and were great examples and role-models for a young man.

Thank you again for your post Human being.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Yet again: you cannot be Catholic and a mason! If a Catholic joins masonry, they are in a state of serious mortal sin!!! They cannot approach the Sacraments!!! PERIOD!!!

 

[JMJ_coder]

Question:

If masonry is just a “men’s social society” or something of that benign nature, why would any Catholic join one that the Church is so adamantly against? There are plenty of other groups to join that aren’t so despicable in the eyes of the Church, why remain so loyal to one that is?

 

[Oneheartway]

“If masonry is just a “men’s social society” or something of that benign nature, why would any Catholic join one that the Church is so adamantly against? There are plenty of other groups to join that aren’t so despicable in the eyes of the Church, why remain so loyal to one that is?”

In my case, I was a mason before I sought membership into the church. I remain loyal, because I still do not understand the conflict. The only conflict I have ever seen is that during prayer, we do not invoke the name of Jesus Christ - I chose to do so in my heart. However, we accept Jews as members, and I am certain this is to allow each to seek god in their own way. Masonry is more like a philosophy than a religion, it brings men together who are good men who may not share the same religious upbringing. No one, including the church, argues the merits of the philanthropic side of Masonry.

In some ways, I wonder if the conflict is more political. After all, men who agree to not disagree on differences of religious faith enable others to follow their own path which does not further the ends of the catholic church.

The part that most upsets me is this declaration that Masonry is a sin. I have reread the section on the Ten Commandments within the catechism and still do not see it there. In fact, the catechism is vague.

My priest said that between the Bible and the Cathechism, all the rules are in those books. If it is not in there, it is not a rule. I reread the statement Pope Benedict made concerning Masonry, I understand he is making his point that Masonry is a sin, but he is not clearly identifying why it is a sin. I keep bringing up this point, because I want someone to help me locate the passage within the catechism that shows this is the case.

 

[workingman]

I just want to point something out.Oneheartway does have a point on is this.

Oneheartway - only conflict I have ever seen is that during prayer, we do not invoke the name of Jesus Christ - I chose to do so in my heart. However, we accept Jews as members, and I am certain this is to allow each to seek god in their own way. Masonry is more like a philosophy than a religion, it brings men together who are good men who may not share the same religious upbringing. No one, including the church, argues the merits of the philanthropic side of Masonry.

Now Catholics will point out the problem with prayer going on to “false gods.” The point I would like to interject is this. After 9/11 There was no problem’s with a Multi faith prayer ceremony at Yankees field that included Protestant’s, Catholics, Jews, and Muslim’s present all offering prayers to “God” of their religion. The only sect of Christianity that did not represent it self was the LCMS. The LCMS did not represent it self just due to the fact they felt false gods were represented. So my point is this if it was not a problem at Yankee field why should that aspect be a problem in Lodge? I do not see any difference in it.

 

[SDA2RC]

Oneheartway,
I am with you. I too was a Freemason before joining Catholicism. I demitted from my lodge as I was preparing to be received into the Church. Not because anyone could provide any reason that was more than superficial, but because I desired to be in full obedience to the Church. I still do, which is why I have not ever re-joined. Having said that though… I think that the USCCB’s should really undertake a serious study of Freemasonry in America, like the Southern Baptist Convention did, and make a clear, informed, and scholarly decision so that those of us who desire to be in submission to the Church have something other than… “because the Church says so” to base our understandings. The Church has been wrong in the past.

“If masonry is just a “men’s social society” or something of that benign nature, why would any Catholic join one that the Church is so adamantly against? There are plenty of other groups to join that aren’t so despicable in the eyes of the Church, why remain so loyal to one that is?”

In my case, I was a mason before I sought membership into the church. I remain loyal, because I still do not understand the conflict. The only conflict I have ever seen is that during prayer, we do not invoke the name of Jesus Christ - I chose to do so in my heart. However, we accept Jews as members, and I am certain this is to allow each to seek god in their own way. Masonry is more like a philosophy than a religion, it brings men together who are good men who may not share the same religious upbringing. No one, including the church, argues the merits of the philanthropic side of Masonry.

In some ways, I wonder if the conflict is more political. After all, men who agree to not disagree on differences of religious faith enable others to follow their own path which does not further the ends of the catholic church.

The part that most upsets me is this declaration that Masonry is a sin. I have reread the section on the Ten Commandments within the catechism and still do not see it there. In fact, the catechism is vague.

My priest said that between the Bible and the Cathechism, all the rules are in those books. If it is not in there, it is not a rule. I reread the statement Pope Benedict made concerning Masonry, I understand he is making his point that Masonry is a sin, but he is not clearly identifying why it is a sin. I keep bringing up this point, because I want someone to help me locate the passage within the catechism that shows this is the case.

 

[SDA2RC]

Question:

If masonry is just a “men’s social society” or something of that benign nature, why would any Catholic join one that the Church is so adamantly against? There are plenty of other groups to join that aren’t so despicable in the eyes of the Church, why remain so loyal to one that is?

I can only answer for myself. Masonry is a group of men who WANT to be with other like minded men… who strive to be with other like minded men… to support each other, to help each other, to encourage each other and to give to the community. I have yet to find the strength of commitment, friendship, and connectedness that I found in Masonry.

I could be traveling 2000 miles away from home and if another mason saw me… I immediately had a friend that would go out of their way to create a friendship and bond. There is a trust and bond that I pray the church has one day.

This is not because of any teachings or anything… it is because these are a group of men who are all looking for the same thing… fraternal love.

 

[Holly3278]

I recommend the following reading on Freemasonry:

scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html

newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm

 

[jam070406]

The Church has been wrong in the past.

Oh? Do tell. You’re saying the Church can err in matters of Faith and Morals?

 

[jam070406]

In my case, I was a mason before I sought membership into the church. I remain loyal, because I still do not understand the conflict.

Perhaps you should read the many Papal enyclicals and declarations from the Congregation For The Doctrine Of The Faith. Some have even been provided in these threads.

The only conflict I have ever seen is that during prayer, we do not invoke the name of Jesus Christ - I chose to do so in my heart. However, we accept Jews as members, and I am certain this is to allow each to seek god in their own way.

:doh2: And you don’t see a problem?? This is called Indifferentism and is exactly why Popes have condemned Freemasonry, for it’s promotion of it.

After all, men who agree to not disagree on differences of religious faith enable others to follow their own path which does not further the ends of the catholic church.

Indifferentism! Catholics have a duty to convey and defend Truth. The Truth is there is only ONE path.

The part that most upsets me is this declaration that Masonry is a sin. I have reread the section on the Ten Commandments within the catechism and still do not see it there. In fact, the catechism is vague.

“I am the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no strange gods before Me.”

Also, perhaps this will help:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=47322

My priest said that between the Bible and the Cathechism, all the rules are in those books. If it is not in there, it is not a rule. I reread the statement Pope Benedict made concerning Masonry, I understand he is making his point that Masonry is a sin, but he is not clearly identifying why it is a sin. I keep bringing up this point, because I want someone to help me locate the passage within the catechism that shows this is the case.

Pope Benedict XVI, then cardinal Ratzinger, reiterated what the Church has always stated about Freemasonry. Perhaps you have not read through this entire thread but it has been explained and conveyed over and over why it is a sin. (with numerous links provided)
:hey_bud:

 

[SDA2RC]

I recommend the following reading on Freemasonry:

scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html

newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm

Thanks for the links Holly, I will read them.

Brandon