Freemasonry A Evil Group

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All I see is the classic line:

When you are driving, everyone on the other side of the glass cannot drive and recieved thier license by mail order. Much ado about nothing as usual.😃
 
IVDAE,

Thank you for your post.

In my six years in masonry, I don’t recall ever hearing a liberal idea… much less trying to spread anything over the dome of St. Peter.

Please feel free to talk bad about freemasonry all you want. Masonry is an easy target for anti-masons because masons have been taught not to defend masonry. However calling something that’s not evil, ā€œevil,ā€ does not make it so.

I am glad my brothers in masonry do not talk about the Church the way my brothers in the Church talk about masonry.

Peace be with you.
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Originally Posted by SDA2RC
You’re right. Truth does not change, but our understanding of what truth is… does.

Based on the credentials laid forth in post 312 then no Catholic could be a member of the cub scouts, boy scouts, congress, etc…etc. All of which are all of the ism’s that are listed against Masonry.
The only problem I see is with this is the conflict. In the late 1800’s Daniel Carter Beard who was a Mason and Lord Robert Baden-Powell of Great Britain who was not a Mason, founded a male youth program called the ā€œSociety of the Sons of Daniel Boone.ā€ By 1905, the program had become ā€œThe Boy Pioneers.ā€. In 1910, Daniel Carter Beard and Lord Robert Baden-Powell of Great Britain founded the ā€œBoy Scouts of Americaā€ and became its first National Commissioner.

So now what. Do we ignore this information as if it never exsisted? I’m not trying to stir the pot but people are educated today and not all are driven by fear.

At one time the Church had no problems with Free Masons and or being catholic, then someone had an idea? To be it is a weak position to defend.
 
The only problem I see is with this is the conflict. In the late 1800’s Daniel Carter Beard who was a Mason and Lord Robert Baden-Powell of Great Britain who was not a Mason, founded a male youth program called the ā€œSociety of the Sons of Daniel Boone.ā€ By 1905, the program had become ā€œThe Boy Pioneers.ā€. In 1910, Daniel Carter Beard and Lord Robert Baden-Powell of Great Britain founded the ā€œBoy Scouts of Americaā€ and became its first National Commissioner.

So now what. Do we ignore this information as if it never exsisted? I’m not trying to stir the pot but people are educated today and not all are driven by fear.

At one time the Church had no problems with Free Masons and or being catholic, then someone had an idea? To be it is a weak position to defend.
Ho I like the wonderful debates on this forum. May God bless all here.

Many famous people were Masons. Winston Churchill. Many Presidents of the USA.
But they all did good work for their countries.

Yes, we are educated today, but there were always educated men in the past. but fear can still be there…I hear that the Pope puts the fear of hell into heads of state when they visit him, to make sure they listen to him. Be something if it turned out the Pope was the head man of the Masons…truth is stranger that fiction…the man in white and everyone else in dark clothes…the boss??

Sorry about that, just a theory I have and have heard it expressed in other places too.
Michael.🤷
 
Many famous people were Masons. Winston Churchill. Many Presidents of the USA.
But they all did good work for their countries.
Point being?
I hear that the Pope puts the fear of hell into heads of state when they visit him, to make sure they listen to him.
He just tells them the truth – something they usually don’t get a lot of.
Be something if it turned out the Pope was the head man of the Masons
He’s not, so stop worrying. šŸ˜‰
the man in white and everyone else in dark clothes…the boss??
The Pope’s white cassock comes from the time of Pope St. Pius V. He was a Dominican, whose habit is white, and he continued to wear his Dominican habit while Pope – and future Pope’s continued wearing white. And in many respects, yes the Pope is the boss – but he also has his Boss!
Sorry about that, just a theory I have and have heard it expressed in other places too.
I wouldn’t take anything Dan Brown or his ilk writes as truthful.
 
Originally Posted by Brother2
Sorry about that, just a theory I have and have heard it expressed in other places too.
JMJ_coder I wouldn’t take anything Dan Brown or his ilk writes as truthful.
I agree Dan Brown and the like can not be taken as truthful, but they sure do make for good table talk and a good laugh at the rediculose nature of it all.
 
IVDAE,

Thank you for your post.

In my six years in masonry, I don’t recall ever hearing a liberal idea… much less trying to spread anything over the dome of St. Peter.

Please feel free to talk bad about freemasonry all you want. Masonry is an easy target for anti-masons because masons have been taught not to defend masonry. However calling something that’s not evil, ā€œevil,ā€ does not make it so.

I am glad my brothers in masonry do not talk about the Church the way my brothers in the Church talk about masonry.

Peace be with you.
I have a friend whose grandfather is a mason, and his grandfather reach 33rd degree,w/c my friend said that if a mason reach that degree will spit, saying blasphemy,desecrating and stomping over the cross.And my friend has a bluebook of a masonry w/c contains ritual and other rites of the masonic lodges.Here in Philippines,there is a masonic church w/c they claim that they are true christian church.And they are called church of christ or ā€œiglesia ni cristoā€.for over 50 years in the Philippines, they are trying to destroy the catholic church by preaching false teachings,misinterpreting the bible, and trying to put some propaganda to the people that the catholic church is a apostate church.

PAX TIBI!
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I have a friend whose grandfather is a mason, and his grandfather reach 33rd degree,w/c my friend said that if a mason reach that degree will spit, saying blasphemy,desecrating and stomping over the cross.And my friend has a bluebook of a masonry w/c contains ritual and other rites of the masonic lodges.Here in Philippines,there is a masonic church w/c they claim that they are true christian church.And they are called church of christ or ā€œiglesia ni cristoā€.for over 50 years in the Philippines, they are trying to destroy the catholic church by preaching false teachings,misinterpreting the bible, and trying to put some propaganda to the people that the catholic church is a apostate church.

PAX TIBI!
:signofcross::signofcross::highprayer::signofcross::signofcross:
IVDAE,

Thank you for your post.

The 33rd degree is a popular target for anti-masons because very few actually recieve it. It is only awarded in the Scottish Rite not in the Blue Lodge, York Rite, or Shrine; therefore many masons are not even familiar with it. Anti-masons exploit this.

While I haven’t heard the claims against the 33rd degree previously, I can assure you they are false and believe your friend is misleading you. Many ministers have obtained this degree and all masons are taught that our faith comes before Freemasonry.

These claims however do seem familiar. They are the same accusations that King Phillip IV launched against the Knights Templar.

Please see the following site:
masonicinfo.com/33rdsrule.htm

Texas uses a blue book for it’s lodge monitor too. Likewise it explains much of the ritual and allegory of Freemasonry.

Furthermore, there is no ā€œmasonic church.ā€ Masons might choose to go to a certain church–many serve in leadership positions in those churches because of their obligation to serve God, family, and country (which is generally what led them to be masons in the first place)–but there is no ā€œmasonic church.ā€

Thank you again for your post.
 
IVDAE,

Thank you for your post.

In my six years in masonry, I don’t recall ever hearing a liberal idea… much less trying to spread anything over the dome of St. Peter.
I think the whole way the world thinks now has been infected with liberalism that is spoken about by Pope Leo XIII in encyclicals against freemasonry. We are taught throughout our lives that the freedom and liberties associated with this country are the best and only way to be. But all of these ideas are what the church stood against in the days that the encyclical was written. The ideals have taken over just as was predicted. We have been taught that our free-will is so much more important than anything else. But we can’t even fathom the thought of going against the ideals which according to the Pope back then are wrong. The world has been brainwashed just as Leo warned against. And most probably, as a result, a lot of souls may have been lost. Even alot of conservative ideals argued for by catholic conservatives(especially the ones regarding our freemason based constitution) would have been considered LIBERAL to Pope Leo. The ideals have put country over church to many, many people, which is what the mason’s wanted and what the church did not want. The instilment in our minds that we can freely do whatever we please and believe whatever we want has totally undermined the church teachings. We can look wherever we want to believe in whatever we want is a treasured ideal to most, but imagine how many souls have gone astray by that treasured belief. People seem to look back on the ā€œevilā€ popes and think"Is that what you want?"----- My current thinking may be headed towards thoughts like. "well even if the Popes killed a bunch of people…well, only the popes guilty souls would probably be hellbound and minimal other souls would be responsible for their actions if the hypothetical evil pope led them astray. But with the Freemason ideal of freewill is king look how many souls must be suffering in purgatory at the very minimum and probably alot have gone to hell. These are some thoughts and opinions that I’ve been having as of late. The freemasons have succeeded in spreading the belief that you can believe whatever you want and I think it has caused the terrible damage that the earlier popes warned of. We have been taught by America that it is wrong to believe that Catholiscim is the only true teaching from God because of the whole freedom of religion philosophy. I’m curious as to more current teachings from the popes, since Leo XIII, as far as how great these freedoms and liberties so cherished throughout the world are considered by them. And I’d be interested in their reasons for the change in stance, if it be the case. I haven’t looked into the stuff of the last sentence yet but if anyone has any links to examples I would like to read them.
 
human being: The freemasons have succeeded in spreading the belief that you can believe whatever you want and I think it has caused the terrible damage that the earlier popes warned of.
I do not think that freemasons were the soul source of that thought process. Though they definatly do not discourage it. I raised a simmilar point earlier by drawing a paralell of the prayer cerimony at Yankee Stadium after 9/11. There was allsort of different faith’s praying to God or god. Not all present were Christian. This is to me can be drawn into a paralell with freemasonry teaching/stating all religions are ok.
We have been taught by America that it is wrong to believe that Catholiscim is the only true teaching from God because of the whole freedom of religion philosophy.
Realy America teaches it is wrong to believe that Catholiscim is the only true teaching from God? I do not think so. To better understand this one needs to look back at the collenisation of America. Who were most of the original collonist? They were ā€œreligious missfitsā€ People who would not follow RCC or TCE(church of england). The founders of America were persecuted Christians. They were not nec pro CC to begin with.
I’m curious as to more current teachings from the popes, since Leo XIII, as far as how great these freedoms and liberties so cherished throughout the world are considered by them. And I’d be interested in their reasons for the change in stance, if it be the case. I haven’t looked into the stuff of the last sentence yet but if anyone has any links to examples I would like to read them.
The Current teachings of the popes have not changed. They are not as upfront with the declaration though. The declarations are not as public. There were several earlier in the thread but I will see if I or someone can find them.
 
The Current teachings of the popes have not changed. They are not as upfront with the declaration though. The declarations are not as public. There were several earlier in the thread but I will see if I or someone can find them.
Here we go again for the umpteenth time. Whoever wants to argue against the Church, the Pope, our Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith, keep posting, but you can’t get around NO means NO, so do yourself a favor anyone that attached to Masonry, just join another Church that will allow it. You can see from the pro-Masonry threads just how important The Lodge is and the strength used to defend it (after all Rome must be wrong, not my brothers). Look if Lodge is that important what are any Catholic masons doing here in arguing for disobeying the Church? You’re advertising for grave sin. (O.K so this doesn’t bother you, fine). I can see Protestants coming by and laughing but some here are presenting themselves as Catholic Masons which, with all due respect, is to be an oxymoron.
The only thing I can say is any overly positive points on Masonry may unwittingly be read by Catholics thinking about joining, and then, if you understand the Church and are claiming Masonry is compatible, you are actually advertising for grave sin. Why join the Catholic Church then? No means No: what possibly left is there to explain on here. If you want petition the Pope. God Bless. I’d like to stop posting on this subject now. If someone wants to keep on arguing that 2+ 2 = 5, we can’t stop you.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

God Bless! šŸ™‚
 
Oh, and just so there is no confusion workingman, my post above was directed to Catholic Masons on this forum, not you, since you have disavowed Masonry. May God Bless You. šŸ™‚
 
Head of Anglican Church (where many Masons practise) criticizing Freemasonry:
archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2002/12/01/story604770528.asp
And hereafter an example of how Freemasonry can force the Head of the Anglican Church Worldwide communion to backpedal under pressure even though he maintains that he still has problems with Freemasonry in the Anglican Church. Go figure, the head of a Church having to backtrack on his Christian beliefs under Masonic backlash. Of course, he did not want to have to backtrack. Thank God Catholics holding firm.
Another reason not to let Freemasonry into any Church.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1270153/posts
 
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