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(Masons) commend his spirit ](the deceased brother) to God who gave it; (arms are crossed on the breast by the brothers) "We cherish his memory here; (arms extended towards the ground by the brothers) "And consign his body to the grave".
The person who conducts the Masonic funeral gives the following prayer and benediction:
"Heavenly Father, as we come to perform this final act of parting from our brother, grant that we may have an inspired vision to enable us to look with faith beyond the veil, and that our hearts may know the continuing presence of a soul now set free from the limitations of mortality. We pray Thee to give us strength to hbear our daily burdens until we, too, shall enter into the Celestial Lodge (Heaven) above, to dwell with those who have served us here, until time shall be no more. Amen!
BENEDICTION
"The Lord bless us and keep us! The Lord make His face to shine upon us, and to be gracious unto us! The Lord lift upon us the light of His countenance and give us peace! Amen!
As you can see, we do not commend nothing to any mythical god. We do however do so unto God, our Creator who gave all of us life.
Don’t try to pass yourself off as some type of expert on the subject when you are not
PEACE!
Steel Arrow :tiphat:
Steel Arrow, you flew in here boasting of Speculative Masonry’s 6,000 year history stemming from Egypt etc. etc. and yet you cannot even spell ancient Egypt’s god Osirus properly. It’s not Osirius (sic) as you say. So where exactly did you or your brothers get your doctorate in history from? Can you explain to me how Horus fits into this. Well, you should be able to because you’ve just made a blanket claim to a 6,OOO year old legacy.
Yes, I’ve heard all the mumbo jumbo before from Freemasons like yourself. That you could drop a Mason onto an isolated Polynesian Island, and somehow, you would all be able to understand each other by the signs the Craft taught you to communicate with. Have you ever read Wilmhurst on Masonic history, of the cycles of nature, and Hinduism and every gnostic idea out there. There is not ONE reputable historian in the entire world who in writing of the ancient world notes the existence of a secret society carrying secret knowledge from time immemorial. (Wow, this must be a really big secret). I’ll let you in on a little secret: IT’S A FAIRY TALE. To which some Freemasons will gleefully reply well so is your religion.
Do you know the one true historical source for any secret society in ancient history? I bet you don’t. It’s Herodotus. Do you know who he was? He was a Greek who lived before Christ. He’s basically the founder of History in our world and in one of his notes he makes a reference to being initiated into the secret rites of the Osiris religion. That’s it! Nothing else until Manes started developing dualism in Persia and Roman soldiers took up the god Mithras in their underground sanctuaries.
It’s been my experience and, no offense intended, that when some gentleman ON THE SQUARE starts explaining to me how far the brotherhood goes back to the building of the Temple of Solomon, and Egypt, and Hiram Abif, and blah, blah, that for the standard businessman in your local city this seems entirely believable because they’ve never studied ancient history and once they go through the initiations into Masonic light, they buy it hook-line-and-sinker because it’s an emotional experience when you’re blindfolded, down on one knee, one sleeve and pantleg up and have a pointy compass pointed onto your bare chest. Some guys even break down into tears. And the whole lodge is there right by with them. From then on, many just buy into it all, how their characters become chiseled with all those tools you smartguys put up on the glass mosaics above the entrance to your Temple. It slowly starts meaning more to them than their belief in Christ or the Church. Hence, the absolute vociferousness you see in true believers in Masonry not willing to give an inch on how Freemasonry is indeed a religion.
Look, nobody is charging the Brotherhood with conspiracy here anymore because you guys are just getting more gray with every passing decade. I mean the State of New York’s Masonic Org. had to recently accelerate the process for accepting and progressing guys along for fear of the Brotherhood collapsing if no new blood comes in soon.
Nobody is out here crying conspiracy. What they are trying to tell you is that you guys are playing with your souls! That’s what all the hubbub is about. May God Bless you?
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JMJ_coder
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That’s **$1.46 BILLION ** per year. On charity alone. That’s impressive considering that that’s more money than 79% of Fortune 500 companies raked in net income last year.
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You seem to be saying two different things. #1 is being a Christian and #3 a mason, and yet you would not leave #3 if asked to do so by #1. Common sense states then that #3 is really more important to you than #1.
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KyivAndrew
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A generic post here aimed at nobody because this thread seems to be getting hits and I don’t want it coming off as some 19th Century Syllabus of Errors Catholic inquisition to the people reading.
A Methodist Church Inquiry in 1985 found that "the most serious objection " for a Christian in all Freemasonry:
“lies in the Royal Arch ritual which reveals the Supreme Being’s true name as JAHBULON. Clearly each of this word’s three syllables conform to the name of a divinity in a particular religion. The whole word is thus an example of syncretism, an attempt to unite different religions in one, which Christians cannot accept.”
For those who know, if a Mason attains higher degrees he may get to become EXALTED into the Holy Royal Arch, which lies beyond Craft Freemasonry. It is the self-styled “Supreme Degree”. An October 1987 article in Britain’s Evening Post by Canon Brindley described JAHBULON as “an unholy compound of the Hebrew name of God, Jehovah, with the heathen names for Baal and Osiris”. And this is from the Church of England.
The Royal Arch Ritual in Masonry tells how the Jews were freed from captivity in Babylon in the 6th Century B.C. and how they returned to rebuild King Solomon’s Temple in Jerusalem. Enacting the ritual in the Masonic Temple, a candidate discovers a vault from the original Solomonic Temple which contains a gold plate inscribed with two words: JEHOVAH, described as the “Sacred and Mysterious Name of the True and Living God Most High”; and JAHBULON. He then is told these are Masonry’s “long-lost secrets”, which Hiram Abiff (character used in lower degrees) died for rather than betray 500 years before. He learns then that all he has learned until then in the first 3 degrees are “substituted secrets”, adopted until time should restore the genuine.
The top of the Royal Arch Altar is adorned with a plate of brass which is inscribed with a circle on which is written JE-HO-VAH split into three syllables. Within the circle is a triangle on each side of which is written JAH-BUL-ON, also split in three. There follows a “Mystical Lecture”:
“In times of antiquity, names of of God and symbols of divinity were always enclosed in triangular figures…The Egyptians termed it the sacred number…They gave it the sacred name of God…The word on the triangle is that Sacred and Mysterious Name you have just solemnly engaged yourself never to pronounce…It is a compound word, and the combination forms the word JAH-BUL-ON. It is in four languages, Chaldee, Hebrew, Syriac, and Egyptian. JAH is the Chaldee name of God, signifying His essence and majesty incomprehensible. It is also a Hebrew word for “I am and shall be”. BUL is a Syriac word denoting Lord or Powerful, Heaven on High. ON is an Egyptian word signifying Father of all, thereby expressing Omnipotence.”
In Ancient times the Chaldeans, Syrians, and Egyptians all worshiped pagan gods to which these 3 syllables refer. The emphasis, however, to a Church of England working group on Freemasonry in the 1980s was on the triangle’s corners BAL, another spelling for Baal, “the name of a Semitic deity bitterly opposed by Elijah and the later Hebrew prophets; far from being a means of describing God, it is a syncretistic name of God made out of the name of Yahweh, Baal and Osiris (the Egyptian fertility God).”
I know from personal experience that any Mason exalted into Royal Arch cannot pronounce this name. (I really until that time thought this was just an old boy’s club, but Masons I know in Royal Arch actually freeze up when you ask them to repeat it: grown men). This also happened to a Lord in England when he was confronted with the word on English Television. He wiggled and hesitated but would not say it. Unbelievable. Now there is only one word under the sun that is worthy of such dignity and that is the True Lord’s Jesus Christ!
Jahbulon is blasphemy pure and simple, and I have not cited one Catholic source here.
My references besides personal are: Inside the Brotherhood, a bestseller by Martin Short, and The Brotherhood by Stephen Knight. And Walton Hannah’s Darkness Visible which goes through each degree from a Christian perspective.
In the end, you choose Christ or you choose your brothers.
God Bless.
A Methodist Church Inquiry in 1985 found that "the most serious objection " for a Christian in all Freemasonry:
“lies in the Royal Arch ritual which reveals the Supreme Being’s true name as JAHBULON. Clearly each of this word’s three syllables conform to the name of a divinity in a particular religion. The whole word is thus an example of syncretism, an attempt to unite different religions in one, which Christians cannot accept.”
For those who know, if a Mason attains higher degrees he may get to become EXALTED into the Holy Royal Arch, which lies beyond Craft Freemasonry. It is the self-styled “Supreme Degree”. An October 1987 article in Britain’s Evening Post by Canon Brindley described JAHBULON as “an unholy compound of the Hebrew name of God, Jehovah, with the heathen names for Baal and Osiris”. And this is from the Church of England.
The Royal Arch Ritual in Masonry tells how the Jews were freed from captivity in Babylon in the 6th Century B.C. and how they returned to rebuild King Solomon’s Temple in Jerusalem. Enacting the ritual in the Masonic Temple, a candidate discovers a vault from the original Solomonic Temple which contains a gold plate inscribed with two words: JEHOVAH, described as the “Sacred and Mysterious Name of the True and Living God Most High”; and JAHBULON. He then is told these are Masonry’s “long-lost secrets”, which Hiram Abiff (character used in lower degrees) died for rather than betray 500 years before. He learns then that all he has learned until then in the first 3 degrees are “substituted secrets”, adopted until time should restore the genuine.
The top of the Royal Arch Altar is adorned with a plate of brass which is inscribed with a circle on which is written JE-HO-VAH split into three syllables. Within the circle is a triangle on each side of which is written JAH-BUL-ON, also split in three. There follows a “Mystical Lecture”:
“In times of antiquity, names of of God and symbols of divinity were always enclosed in triangular figures…The Egyptians termed it the sacred number…They gave it the sacred name of God…The word on the triangle is that Sacred and Mysterious Name you have just solemnly engaged yourself never to pronounce…It is a compound word, and the combination forms the word JAH-BUL-ON. It is in four languages, Chaldee, Hebrew, Syriac, and Egyptian. JAH is the Chaldee name of God, signifying His essence and majesty incomprehensible. It is also a Hebrew word for “I am and shall be”. BUL is a Syriac word denoting Lord or Powerful, Heaven on High. ON is an Egyptian word signifying Father of all, thereby expressing Omnipotence.”
In Ancient times the Chaldeans, Syrians, and Egyptians all worshiped pagan gods to which these 3 syllables refer. The emphasis, however, to a Church of England working group on Freemasonry in the 1980s was on the triangle’s corners BAL, another spelling for Baal, “the name of a Semitic deity bitterly opposed by Elijah and the later Hebrew prophets; far from being a means of describing God, it is a syncretistic name of God made out of the name of Yahweh, Baal and Osiris (the Egyptian fertility God).”
I know from personal experience that any Mason exalted into Royal Arch cannot pronounce this name. (I really until that time thought this was just an old boy’s club, but Masons I know in Royal Arch actually freeze up when you ask them to repeat it: grown men). This also happened to a Lord in England when he was confronted with the word on English Television. He wiggled and hesitated but would not say it. Unbelievable. Now there is only one word under the sun that is worthy of such dignity and that is the True Lord’s Jesus Christ!
Jahbulon is blasphemy pure and simple, and I have not cited one Catholic source here.
My references besides personal are: Inside the Brotherhood, a bestseller by Martin Short, and The Brotherhood by Stephen Knight. And Walton Hannah’s Darkness Visible which goes through each degree from a Christian perspective.
In the end, you choose Christ or you choose your brothers.
God Bless.
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Dirk_Skene
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It doesn’t matter if you find it unlikely or not. That’s beside the point, O’ wait, why did I not pay attention to this before … You’re Church of Christ, on a Catholic forum, disagreeing with Catholics. MAN I love the “ignore” feature
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workingman
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How is that constructive? This is a non catholic religious section of the forum. Agree or not he is entiteled to dissagree. How much dialog would happen if peveryone used the ignore feature?It doesn’t matter if you find it unlikely or not. That’s beside the point, O’ wait, why did I not pay attention to this before … You’re Church of Christ, on a Catholic forum, disagreeing with Catholics. MAN I love the “ignore” feature
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Dirk_Skene
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It’s just that I’ve been around enough that I have become totally impatient with any protastant that disagrees with what the Church teaches. It’s better on my blood pressure to just ignore them.
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Augie1530
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As a former 32 degree mason I can honestly say you are 100 % correct I was a mason for 25 years and I have a library of masonic books that show this to be true that I wish I could box up and sent to the vatican for them to get to the real truth on it Also as a former LCMS Lutheran Im sure my german ancestors and present members in my family who still live in saxony and other places are lust livid with disgust that I turned Roman Catholic especially when one knows who my German ancestors were back in 1517
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Dirk_Skene
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I just now had a chance to read your entire post. You are brilliant
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workingman
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I hope this does not derail this thread. It was somthing I have been thinking about though. The Church says that one cannot be a mason and part of the CC and to be part of masonry is a grave sin. Now the question. There is no doubt that the masons do good works. Look at the shriners hospittals for example. They obviously help people who need it. Now does God use “evil” groops for good deeds?
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Dirk_Skene
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I think you are right. Yes it is possible. Look at Adolf Hitler. He set up food panrties & encouraged what we would call “coat drives” in the winter for the poor. He encougaged exercise among children & did other good works for the German people. But I don’t think I’d say he was a nice guy, would you
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workingman
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Ok so yes God may use a “evil” group or person for “good works” though they may not be a nice person. Are you saying shriners as a example are evil people though? I tell you my opinion I do not think so as individual people just from my association with them family and friends.I think you are right. Yes it is possible. Look at Adolf Hitler. He set up food panrties & encouraged what we would call “coat drives” in the winter for the poor. He encougaged exercise among children & did other good works for the German people. But I don’t think I’d say he was a nice guy, would you
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DallasTexas
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Dirk,
Thank you for your post…
Now you’re probably going to tell me that you’ve read all of Pike’s “Morals and Dogma”… I admit that I haven’t.
Please tell me where the above referred to disagreement is (ie page number, paragraph, etc)
I continue to be very interested in you answers to my questions from the previous posts…
One more question… Why was your previous masonic affiliation not mentioned in the below post to the thread that you started back in January? Kind of seems odd that you left that tidbit of information out… Don’t you think?
With all do respect, something reeks of misrepresentation of the facts…I don’t know about you folks but I have started noticing a few Catholic men sporting Masonic rings & lapel pins :bigyikes: One was a convert that might have not known better, but in my opinion, it should have been addressed during RCIA :tsktsk: In just playing devils advocate I must say that most of these guys are oblivious to Masonic teaching. To them the whole thing is only a social club. During the initiation so many strange things happen so fast that it may not all sink in.
Wow do we reach them and convince them to get out?
Please tell me where I am wrong?
Thank you again for your post.
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DallasTexas
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Thanks for the kind words Ralphinal.
Hope all is well in the Great State of Alabama!
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Dirk_Skene
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Mmmmm no, not exactly. Just backing up your point. From personal experence I know that the majority of masons haven’t a clue what the orginization is all about. They view it as an exclusive soical club. And are proud of the charitable works that they do. I was in it for several years before I really started studing what was taught in the rituals. And I had been committing it to memory all that time. It just had not “sunk in.” Pike’s book was an eye opener
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DallasTexas
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Peace be with you both.:knight2: :nunchuk: :knight1:
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Dirk_Skene
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It would be a very good idea for you to read it :sad_yes: rather than me post links to tidbits here & there. You can usually find a used copy in good condition on e-bay for a good price. The fact that you have not read it does explaine why you do not think I am “shooting stright.”
I will go ahead & say it … you are the reason I have kept posting & not lost patiences. Your bio says Catholic. I am concerned about you. No foolin’. I am not being sarcastic. I want you to relise why you should let your membership simply laps. Don’t just attend the meetings, study what is taught. Listen to the words.
And please do not think the words are all symbolic. If it was all simbolic you would not have taken your oath on an open Bible.
I’m going to look for a few things. I’ll get back to you soon.
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