Freemasonry A Evil Group

[BayernAnhaenger]

If the Popes had not been so keen to condemn the Masons, the supposed anti-Catholicism of the Masons might not exist. People & institutions are often the causes of their own problems, & a little more mildness, less zeal to hurl anathemas, with a bit less paranoia (as in the Leo Taxil affair, for instance) might have avoided a lot of the friction. It still can.​

• ["L'affaire Leo Taxil" - Diana Vaughan - April 1897 - Saint Therese of Lisieux ("L'affaire Leo Taxil" - Diana Vaughan - April 1897 - Saint Therese of Lisieux)
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil)
• [LEO TAXIL - GABRIEL-ANTOINE JOGAND-PAGES (LEO TAXIL - GABRIEL-ANTOINE JOGAND-PAGES)
• [Leo Taxil’s confession (Leo Taxil’s confession)

There is definitely a moral there for Catholics. Besides, how is anti-Masonic zeal any different from the anti-Jewish kind ? There was a lot of both of them in France in the 1890s, & both were encouraged by the Church. It took the ovens of Belsen to teach the Church not to demonise Jews - what will it take to teach the Church not to engage in anti-Masonic hysteria ?

If the Church can cease to anathematise Protestants, it should be able to perform the same motions towards Freemasons. It took over 400 years to decide that Protestants were “separated brethren” & not heretics - maybe, in 2150 or so, it will outgrow its anti-Masonry.

Protestants are still heretics.

Separated brethen is the new, politically correct way of saying heretic.

Maybe by 2150 all heretics, schismatics, and pagans will come to (and back to) the Holy Catholic Church.

 

[ralphinal]

Yup the ice let out about 1-2 weeks ago. Today 82 and windy. tomarrow 62. Don’t like the weather hear wait 12hrs its will change.

it can be like that here 12 weeks out of the year…fall and spring.

Summer, hot to damn hot with 100% humidity.

Winter…cold to us, cool to you.

 

[workingman]

I want to give a link to a web page that has a challenge from a Catholic mason. Please read the link. Why would any one go against the One true Church.

scripturecatholic.com/freemasonry_qa.html#tradition-I

 

[workingman]

I also want want to post the declaraiton of the Catholic Church on freemasonry. It clearly states that the original postion has not changed.

Declaration On Masonic Associations

Issued by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on November 26, 1983.

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church’s decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous code.

This Sacred congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned in as much as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on February 17, 1981 (cf. AAS 73 [1981] pp. 240-241).

In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 26, 1983.

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect

Jerome Hamer, OP, Titular Archbishop of Loria, Secretary

 

[JMJ_coder]

Yup the ice let out about 1-2 weeks ago. Today 82 and windy. tomarrow 62. Don’t like the weather hear wait 12hrs its will change.

Oh please! Here in NE Ohio the weather turnaround time is 5 minutes! I was golfing the other day, the sun was shining in our eyes and we were being rained on at the same time!

 

[workingman]

Oh please! Here in NE Ohio the weather turnaround time is 5 minutes! I was golfing the other day, the sun was shining in our eyes and we were being rained on at the same time!

Whee what a predicament.

 

[workingman]

O’ where have all my mason supporters gone? NO refutation for the truth? Well althings come to an end.

 

[ralphinal]

O’ where have all my mason supporters gone? NO refutation for the truth? Well althings come to an end.

Masonic posts on here are feast or famine. Other than a few posters who hang around, they come in spurts.

For what it is worth, Dallas is a good and honest man trying to work it all out. Keep him and his family in your prayers.

 

[workingman]

Masonic posts on here are feast or famine. Other than a few posters who hang around, they come in spurts.

For what it is worth, Dallas is a good and honest man trying to work it all out. Keep him and his family in your prayers.

O’ I don’t condem any man’s character for being a loge member. I to went down that road. almos all are great upstanding citizes of good moral fiber. I still love many of my former loge brotheren. They are just missguided in religion

 

[Dirk_Skene]

Dirk Skene,

Thank you for your post…

If you were a mason at one time, you would know the above is not true.

Once again thank you for your post.

I am calling you out. I am saying that what I was taught in my degrees in the Blue Lodge is just what I posted. I am saying that if you state “If you were a mason at one time, you would know the above is not true”, then you are just trying to “cover” because all that stuff in the “lecture” makes the lodge look bad. I am openly challenging you. I do not back up & I never compromise.

 

[KyivAndrew]

Masonry is incompatible with Christianity and this isn’t the rambling of some nutty conspiracy theorist and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Jews as somebody earlier alluded irresponsibly. Go to any cematary where Catholics and non-Catholics are buried. Devout Catholics may have crosses, or Mary statues they can afford. etc, Start walking towards other sections of the cemeteries where the Catholics are not buried. If it is a mason, NO CROSS, even if Christian, just the GAOUT symbol (Grand Architect of the Universe) or maybe to top it off an Egyptian obelisk which Masons value more than a cross. Read the obits in newspapers. Catholics put crosses; Masons the GAOUT symbol, no cross. As if in this most important day and culmination of a man’s life the most important fact is that he was a mason. Even their wives when buried don’t have crosses.
Now I believe the Freemasons really present no threat to society at large anymore. They’re all getting grey and the young don’t have the time to learned myriad mystical rituals. Their politically secretive actions were more in the time of Garibaldi, French revolution etc.
What is most dangerous , however, is what they do to their souls when they progress through the degrees and the unChristian rituals involved. Christ taught He is the Only Way to Salvation. Masons don’t believe this while Masonic researches like Wilmhurst talk of the rebirths of nature. A 32n degree Mason who is friends with our family tells me there was no resurrection and that in God, there is both good and evil. Hence the black and white floors on Masonic Temples. (Temples!) He sings joyfully in the church choir.

Another Mason related to my family, a multimillionaire, visits my family for the first time in years. Somehow we broach Masonry and I ask him if he is Royal Arch. He answers yes. I then tell him, to his great surprise that their secret occult name for God, which not even the lower Masonic levels ever find out is JAH-BUL-ON. A syncretic secret name for God relying on the Old Testament JAHWEH for the first, BUL for BAAL, the pagan god against which the Old Testament prophets fought against as BAAL became an appelation for the devil (the syriac BAAL reference is actually in the Masonic ritual explained as a syriac deity. ON stands for Egypt’s Sun God and his worship at Heliopolis (ON). Masonic mystics believed this appelation for God could be acceptable by anyone and understood should they come to know because part of their divinity is in it. What’s more they swear an oath (with decapitation as the punishment) if they should ever reveal the secret name of God to the profane (us). In the masonic ceremony indeed only one member per time can pronounce one symbol of the name, with the other two by others.
I thought on a lark I’d ask my second uncle to say this word JAHBULON at our family dinner knowing that a Masonic Lord in England froze on t.v. and refused to say such word but merely laughed: (oh, that old chestnut!) I ask my uncle thinking he’ll surely repeat, he is 60, owns his own personal company, these rituals are just some part of the bonding experience for this social club as many think. Boy was I surprised. HE FROZE! as if I had asked for a secret microfiche he had hidden all his life. NO, he’d mumble, NO I CAN’T DO IT! finally. I explained to the rest of the family what the oath and punishment detailed but hardly believing the Masons would do it. Now, I’ve heard of Christian martyrs willing to die by not renouncing Christ, but a mongrel secret word for God is worthy of such esteem. This is pure and simple GNOSTICISM, the heresy the Church fathers most had to struggle against in the early centuries - the belief the learned secret members may go about acquiring knowledge about God which others are not allowed to know.
But Christ died on the cross for all of us, with all the requirements for salvation already there laid out in the bible and Church teaching, available to all.
Masonry chooses JAHBULON.

 

[KC91]

There is definitely a moral there for Catholics. Besides, how is anti-Masonic zeal any different from the anti-Jewish kind ? There was a lot of both of them in France in the 1890s, & both were encouraged by the Church. It took the ovens of Belsen to teach the Church not to demonise Jews - what will it take to teach the Church not to engage in anti-Masonic hysteria ?

There is a vast difference. A Jew cannot decide his origins, while a Mason always has a choice.

Anti-Catholicism on behalf of the Masons is evident in history and all around us today. It was obviously someone who started the French Revolution. It was obviously someone who stirred up Anti-Catholicism and financed Protestant Anti-Catholicism. It was obviously someone who persecuted the Church in Spain, Portugal and Mexico. It was obviously someone who destroyed the century old Napoleonic concordat in France. It was obviously someone who inspired both Capitalism and Communism. It was obviously someone who passed abortion laws.

Proudly Anti-Masonic until the day I die! Death to Freemasonry, VIVA CRISTO REY!

 

[Will8503]

Protestants are still heretics.

Separated brethen is the new, politically correct way of saying heretic.

Maybe by 2150 all heretics, schismatics, and pagans will come to (and back to) the Holy Catholic Church.

I thought someone has to be Catholic first in order to be considered a heretic. (the founders of protestantism were heretics, but people who were born and raised in protestant religions are not.)

 

[workingman]

I thought someone has to be Catholic first in order to be considered a heretic. (the founders of protestantism were heretics, but people who were born and raised in protestant religions are not.)

I think trying to be kind not trying to speek for the poster, but the question is have they ever heard the teachings of the Catholic Church?, It also does not change that the dogmas/docterine of there paticulare denomination is hetrodox in teaching.

 

[JMJ_coder]

I thought someone has to be Catholic first in order to be considered a heretic. (the founders of protestantism were heretics, but people who were born and raised in protestant religions are not.)

It is a difference between being a formal heretic and a material heretic. But that is off-topic.

 

[Dirk_Skene]

There are no “Masonic Secrets” All are on the web. Unfortunatly there are some exagurations & downright lies as well. Like the post that said something about the orgies … the info they had was way off base. But no Christian OR JEW should be a mason. And the poster that said the masons had no anchient Jewish links, as the masons claim, WAS RIGHT because they do not.

 

[DallasTexas]

I am calling you out. I am saying that what I was taught in my degrees in the Blue Lodge is just what I posted. I am saying that if you state “If you were a mason at one time, you would know the above is not true”, then you are just trying to “cover” because all that stuff in the “lecture” makes the lodge look bad. I am openly challenging you. I do not back up & I never compromise.

Dirk,

Thank you for your post and for “calling me out” and “openly challenging me.” I didn’t mean to make you mad–just calling them as I see them.

I am very interested in seeing references on the below cited items from legitimate sources.

They see nothing wrong with sex outside marriage &/or even adultry.

Wow. I would like to see were this is at in masonic teachings…

A warrent server that is a mason has an obligation to warn a fellow mason he has a warrent for his arrest & give him a head start.

There is no doubt that masons should try to help other masons (it is also mentioned in masonic instruction that we never know who is another mason and therefore should try to help everyone), but to allow a fugitive to escape… please. We are taught to help others if possible–it is not considered possible when it’s against our obligations to God, family, country, and job. If you were a mason, do you remember what a cable-tow is. Unethical activity, should be considered outside your cable-tow.

Both Sam Houston and Santa Ana were masons, while this may have kept Houston from killing Santa Ana, he did imprison him.

A mason must vote for a mason, even if he is unqulified.

Once again, I would like to see where this is in masonic teaching.

I didn’t vote for Bob Dole the when he ran for president (I didn’t vote at all). My own congressman–Ralph M. Hall–is a mason. There are times that I did not vote for him…

Bo Pilgrim, owner of Pilgrim’s Pride (of chicken fame), is a mason. We don’t buy his chicken if a competitor has a better value…

Thank you again for your posting–may want to check your facts prior to posting.

 

[Dirk_Skene]

… I didn’t mean to make you mad…Wow. I would like to see were this is at in masonic teachings…

You did not make me mad. I just had to set things stright here on the board. There is no way I am going to let someone try to present the masons as anything that a Christian should be part of. I know way too much.I never held office but I was a ritualist. I had all parts of the blue lodge & many parts of the york & scottish rites, and even the grotto and shrine commetted to memory. I worked almost every initiation in vertually every position (not at one time of course )

The lecture is not written. You know that. And I hope you also know that a Catholic man that becomes a mason “invaledly (sp) approches Holy Communion.” That was from Cardnal Ratzinger’s statement on the masonic order. If you don’t know where that is I’ll google it for yoy & get you the link.

As I studied the “masonc religion” as Pike put it, I came to relize that a good Christian man has no business in the lodge. If you are in it. please get out. After all, at your funeral do you want the “brothers” to commend your soul to the god osirus?

 

[ChrissiM]

Proudly Anti-Masonic until the day I die! Death to Freemasonry, VIVA CRISTO REY!

:knight2: :nunchuk: :knight1:

 

[Steel_Arrow]

It is a pleasure to be back on the forums with my Catholic friends. I read a number of the posts on this subject and have come to realize that many are sorely misinformed regarding Masonry.

I have been a Freemason for a number of years. I am also a former Grand Knight in a K of C Council. I, like most everyone else, was leary and skeptical about the subject of Freemasonry. Now as for myself, I didn’t know any Masons when I was growing up. I had heard some scary stories about them from time to time. The subject was not discussed much until after I left the Catholic Church.

When I left the church, I left the K of C as I should have, since it was only open to practicing Catholics. Within a few years, I did make a petition to join the Masons. It was at this tome I had met a few in my new church and well, curosity got the best of me.

Many of the scary stories abot Masonry were still locked in my mind and I quickly decided that if this was something satanic, I was out of there! Much to my surprise, I was anything but that! It was not a religious ceremony, yet God was mentioned with the reverence due to Him. The Holy Bible was present and Scripture was read from it.

Is Freemasonry a religion? No, not really. Each man is free to worship God in his own way. Many attend a Christian church, some don’t go to church, but believe in the one true and living God. This is a requirement of any man who wants to become a Mason. He must believe in “the one true and living God”. No atheist can become a Mason.

We don’t worship Lucifer. God did give hime power over the earth and mankind after the fall. Hence, he is sometime referred to as the god of the earth. Notice the pronunciation…my God, the same as your God is capitalized, Lucifer is lower case, just like mythical Norse and Greek gods are. You can’t believe in Lucifer, Zeus, Ra, or Buddah as the one true God and be a Mason.

I do know some Catholics who are Masons. I did find this odd because I was taught as well that a Catholic man can’t become a Mason. I’m sure it is now HIGHLY DISCOURAGED, but not totally forbidden, otherwise, why aren’t these Catholics being expelled from the Catholic Church? I even know one Mason who is a Eucharistic Minister.

There is much literature out there about Masons, both good and bad. The bad is usually written by expelled Masons who are trying to get back at their former brothers. It never does work though. You see, Masonry has been traced back to ancient Egypt, Greece, Europe. It is very ancient. Some even say it is about 6,000 years old. There are two types of Masons…Operative and Speculative. Operative are just that, they are real masons who work in stone and timber. Speculative masons are those like me and millions of others who are not actual masons, but live by the ideals of Craft in our everyday lives. We don’t recruit, yet men always seem to seek us out. We do do one thing though…we take a good man and make him a better man.

Do a little research past Albert Pike and check out the famous American Masons. Just off hand, I remember General Douglas MacArthur and President Gerald Ford were Masons.

The rituals I read about are absurd! I’ve been to many initiations and have never seen anything done that has been described in some posts. I’ve enjoyed my time as a Mason. I don’t condemn others for not wanting to be one, nor do I condemn anyone who wants to be a K of C. That is their choice. We all should refrain from judging others and engage them in discussion to better understand their motives and actions.

Steel Arrow :tiphat: