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DallasTexas
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Dirk Skene,
Thank you for your post…
If you were a mason at one time, you would know the above is not true.
Once again thank you for your post.
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Thank you for your post…
If you were a mason at one time, you would know the above is not true.
Once again thank you for your post.
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DallasTexas
Guest
Dirk Skene,
Thank you for your post.
If you were a mason, you would know that any discussion of politics or religion discouraged in the lodge.
Thank you again.
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ralphinal
Guest
In fairness to Freemasonry, it is the French form that is the most anti-Catholic. This is the form that was present in Mexico when the Masonic government tried to kill all Catholic clergy in the 20th century.
However, I would be remiss to point out that Masonry teaches a form of relativism that is not compatable with Church teaching and is therefore rightfully prohibited.
However, I would be remiss to point out that Masonry teaches a form of relativism that is not compatable with Church teaching and is therefore rightfully prohibited.
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jam070406
Guest
Freemasonry in America, from the time of the colonies, has been anti-Catholic as well. Masons attempted to block Catholics from holding office and funding for schools.
There were ties between Masonry and the Ku Klux Klan. The big push for seperation of Church and state came from Masons and their paranoia of the Pope wanting to change America into a Catholic nation. Don’t be fooled.
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JMJ_coder
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Read the words of the Popes since the beginning of masonry. They have consistently denounced masonry as being incompatible with the Catholic faith. It was Pope Pius IX who name masonry the “synagogue of Satan” in his encyclical Esti Multa.
Pope Leo XIII, who may be the Pontiff who suffered from freemasonry the most, being that he reigned during the height of Italian masonic anti-clericalism, was not shy with calling masonry what it truly is:
- The satanic intent of the persecutors has been to substitute naturalism for Christianity, the worship of reason for the worship of faith, so-called independent morality for Catholic morality, and material progress for spiritual progress. (Custodi Di Quella Fede)
- It is needless now to put the Masonic sects upon their trial. They are already judged; their ends, their means, their doctrines, and their action, are all known with indisputable certainty. Possessed by the spirit of Satan, whose instrument they are, they burn like him with a deadly and implacable hatred of Jesus Christ and of His work; and they endeavor by every means to overthrow and fetter it. (Dall’Alto Dell’Apostolico Seggio)
- In this insane and wicked endeavor we may almost see the implacable hatred and spirit of revenge with which Satan himself is inflamed against Jesus Christ. – So also the studious endeavor of the Freemasons to destroy the chief foundations of justice and honesty, and to co-operate with those who would wish, as if they were mere animals, to do what they please, tends only to the ignominious and disgraceful ruin of the human race. (Humanum Genus)
Catholics are still forbidden from being associated with the masons. To join or be a member of the masons would be to enter into grave sin!
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ralphinal
Guest
True, but American Freemasonry did not generate the ban from Rome.
Here in Alabama, the connection between Masons and the Klan is amazing. All of the great Klansmen/segragationists were Masons. In fact, some have said that the decline in one helped the decline in the other, but I am not so sure i would say that.
No matter how bad American Masons were, they have a ways to go to catch the Mexicans.
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jam070406
Guest
I believe it was Our Lady Of Good Counsel that warned that the Masonic sects would rule governments. I’ll have to look that up again.
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workingman
Guest
This is just what a black mass can consist of nothing more. See the link below.
religion-cults.com/Occult/Satanism/Satanism.htm
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holyrosary11
Guest
Where in God’s name do you get your information???If the Popes had not been so keen to condemn the Masons, the supposed anti-Catholicism of the Masons might not exist. People & institutions are often the causes of their own problems, & a little more mildness, less zeal to hurl anathemas, with a bit less paranoia (as in the Leo Taxil affair, for instance) might have avoided a lot of the friction. It still can.
There is definitely a moral there for Catholics. Besides, how is anti-Masonic zeal any different from the anti-Jewish kind ? There was a lot of both of them in France in the 1890s, & both were encouraged by the Church. It took the ovens of Belsen to teach the Church not to demonise Jews - what will it take to teach the Church not to engage in anti-Masonic hysteria
- ["L'affaire Leo Taxil" - Diana Vaughan - April 1897 - Saint Therese of Lisieux ("L'affaire Leo Taxil" - Diana Vaughan - April 1897 - Saint Therese of Lisieux)
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil)
- [LEO TAXIL - GABRIEL-ANTOINE JOGAND-PAGES (LEO TAXIL - GABRIEL-ANTOINE JOGAND-PAGES)
- [Leo Taxil’s confession (Leo Taxil’s confession)
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If the Church can cease to anathematise Protestants, it should be able to perform the same motions towards Freemasons. It took over 400 years to decide that Protestants were “separated brethren” & not heretics - maybe, in 2150 or so, it will outgrow its anti-Masonry.
excuse me… your MIS information…
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workingman
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DallasTexas
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingman
There also as one obtains more light in masonry several pagan gods mentioned in patrial names combined together.
crownrights.com/store/masonry_one.php
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingman
There also as one obtains more light in masonry several pagan gods mentioned in patrial names combined together.
I know this link does not name the pagan gods at this point I am still looking but I feel that it definatly give it a tye in.
crownrights.com/store/masonry_one.php
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workingman
Guest
I will have to disagree on this statment. Here hare some quotes directlly from Albert Pike in a link.
battleaxe.org/freemasonry_quotes.htm
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workingman
Guest
DallasTexas,
This is a big link that I am giving. It has alot of length to it. here is the link below I will also pull a cuple of key points from it. I highly recomend reading all of if.
bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm
The Lying and Deception begins with the “G”
Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; “The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the “G” in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents “deity”. Later still, he is told that it represents “geometry”. In reality, this letter represents the “generative principle,” the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male “generative principle…” In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception”, page 144
Freemasonry is one of many apostate religions dedicated to the destruction of traditional Judaism and Christianity. Those who aspire to grow in their closeness to Jesus Christ, and to increase their discernment in these days, would do well to stay very clear of Freemasonry. Are your loyalties with Jesus Christ or are they with the lodge? Both are diametrically opposed to one another as you will see below.
Masons have mixed idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It is not of God! It is a false religion; the Harlot of Babylon. Masons say they offer new candidates “the light”. The light they are actually giving is: Lucifer. The Christian Bible says that Satan walks to and fro on this earth masquerading as an “angel of light”, that many might be deceived.
Masonry teaches that Jesus is no greater than the other “exemplars” of history (such as Mohammed, Buddah, Aristotle, or Joseph Smith). Page 94
This is a big link that I am giving. It has alot of length to it. here is the link below I will also pull a cuple of key points from it. I highly recomend reading all of if.
bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm
The Lying and Deception begins with the “G”
Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; “The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the “G” in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents “deity”. Later still, he is told that it represents “geometry”. In reality, this letter represents the “generative principle,” the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male “generative principle…” In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception”, page 144
Freemasonry is one of many apostate religions dedicated to the destruction of traditional Judaism and Christianity. Those who aspire to grow in their closeness to Jesus Christ, and to increase their discernment in these days, would do well to stay very clear of Freemasonry. Are your loyalties with Jesus Christ or are they with the lodge? Both are diametrically opposed to one another as you will see below.
Masons have mixed idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It is not of God! It is a false religion; the Harlot of Babylon. Masons say they offer new candidates “the light”. The light they are actually giving is: Lucifer. The Christian Bible says that Satan walks to and fro on this earth masquerading as an “angel of light”, that many might be deceived.
Masonry teaches that Jesus is no greater than the other “exemplars” of history (such as Mohammed, Buddah, Aristotle, or Joseph Smith). Page 94
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workingman
Guest
DallasTexas
Sorry this is a continuation from above. The post got to long.
The “Black Communion” of Maundy Thursday:
During this ceremony, Masons blaspheme the Lord. They make an evil, black mockery of His pure and selfless death, and the Lord’s will that we take communion “in remembrance of Him.”
To elaborate on this, take a good look at Masonry’s “Maundy Thursday” ceremony. We call it a “Black Communion” where Masons chant words calling Jesus merely an “apostle of mankind” who was neither inspired nor divine!
In the Scottish Rite the Thursday before Easter, “Maundy Thursday,” is an important day. On this day Masons always perform a special ceremony of “Communion” in their local Scottish Rite Temple.
Dressed in long black, hooded robes during this Thursday ceremony, Masons chant:
“We meet this day to commemorate the death of our ‘Most Wise and Perfect Master,’ not as inspired or divine, for this is not for us to decide, but as at least the greatest of the apostles of mankind.”
33 degree Initiation Ceremony
Strange Black Mass/Black Communion
as told by ex 33 degree Mason Jim Shaw
During this ceremony, Masons continue by mocking Jesus’ teachings at His Last Supper and the bread and wine (Body and Blood) - by saying:
“Take, eat, and give to the hungry.” “Take, drink, and give to the thirsty.”
One of the Conductors then handed the “candidate” a human skull, upside down, with wine in it. “May this wine I now drink become a deadly poison to me, as the Hemlock juice drunk by Socrates, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate the same” (the oath).
As I had done so many times before, I said, “We meet this day to commemorate the death of our ‘Most Wise and Perfect Master,’ not as inspired or divine, for this is not for us to decide, but as at least the greatest of the apostles of mankind.”
As I spoke these words that I had spoken so many times before, I had a strange and powerful experience. It was as if I were standing apart, listening to myself as I spoke, and the words echoed deep within me, shouting their significance. They were the same words I had spoken so many times before, but had meaning for me now. They made me sick, literally ill, and I stopped.
The realization of what I had just said grew within me like the rising of a crescendo. I had just called Jesus an “apostle of mankind” who was neither inspired nor divine! There was a silent pause that seemed to last a very long time as I struggled with a sick smothering within.
Later, when he came down the wide steps of a large Scottish Rite Temple, 33 degree Mason Jim Shaw turned and looked at the words carved in stone above the entrance: “Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry”, Jim remembered thinking: "It isn’t ancient (goes back to 17th century), it isn’t Scottish (Scottish rite was begun in France), it isn’t free (no females, blacks or poor), and it isn’t right (no mention of Jesus allowed)! This 33 degree Mason, never went back.
Jim found that the bowing to some “Great Architect of the Universe” and calling all Religions equal is pure blasphemy.
He thought of the great Masonic lie that all religions are equal, including Islam and Satanism. If all these religions within Masonry are “correct” or of equal “validity”, and each claims to be the valid and correct one. It therefore becomes obvious that they cannot all be “right” or of equal validity. Satanists mock and blaspheme God on a daily basis; and Muslims deny Jesus ever even died on a cross.
Islam, for instance rejects that Jesus died a korben (sacrificial atonement) death for us. Islam gives its greatest regard to a man who did no miracles to prove divinity and in no way measured up to the sinless and loving Jesus. Muhammad also made no real prophecies, had everyone killed who disagreed with him, and was fond of splitting up booty from military raids against innocent people. See more in: “Muhammad, Terrorist or Prophet?”
These are the Scriptures that Jim, could not reconcile with Masonry:
Jesus said: “I am the bread of life; he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst…him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out…and this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:47-54
Reference above from Jim Shaw’s book:
Read here: A Freemason’s 33rd Degree Initiation
FOOTNOTES FROM JIM SHAW’S BOOK, Page 76
In a well-ordered lodge, Jesus is never mentioned except in vague, philosophical terms. Prayers are never in His name, and when scriptures are quoted in the ritual, all references to Him are simply omitted. For example, II Thessalonians 3:6 is used in the ritual, but not the way it is in your Bible; the words “in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” are entirely omitted. Likewise, the ritual includes 1 Peter 2:5, but with the words “by Jesus Christ” omitted. Albert Mackey, after Albert Pike the highest Masonic authority, calls this changing of the scriptures “a slight but necessary modifucation” (Masonic Ritualist, page 272)
Sorry this is a continuation from above. The post got to long.
The “Black Communion” of Maundy Thursday:
During this ceremony, Masons blaspheme the Lord. They make an evil, black mockery of His pure and selfless death, and the Lord’s will that we take communion “in remembrance of Him.”
To elaborate on this, take a good look at Masonry’s “Maundy Thursday” ceremony. We call it a “Black Communion” where Masons chant words calling Jesus merely an “apostle of mankind” who was neither inspired nor divine!
In the Scottish Rite the Thursday before Easter, “Maundy Thursday,” is an important day. On this day Masons always perform a special ceremony of “Communion” in their local Scottish Rite Temple.
Dressed in long black, hooded robes during this Thursday ceremony, Masons chant:
“We meet this day to commemorate the death of our ‘Most Wise and Perfect Master,’ not as inspired or divine, for this is not for us to decide, but as at least the greatest of the apostles of mankind.”
33 degree Initiation Ceremony
Strange Black Mass/Black Communion
as told by ex 33 degree Mason Jim Shaw
During this ceremony, Masons continue by mocking Jesus’ teachings at His Last Supper and the bread and wine (Body and Blood) - by saying:
“Take, eat, and give to the hungry.” “Take, drink, and give to the thirsty.”
One of the Conductors then handed the “candidate” a human skull, upside down, with wine in it. “May this wine I now drink become a deadly poison to me, as the Hemlock juice drunk by Socrates, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate the same” (the oath).
As I had done so many times before, I said, “We meet this day to commemorate the death of our ‘Most Wise and Perfect Master,’ not as inspired or divine, for this is not for us to decide, but as at least the greatest of the apostles of mankind.”
As I spoke these words that I had spoken so many times before, I had a strange and powerful experience. It was as if I were standing apart, listening to myself as I spoke, and the words echoed deep within me, shouting their significance. They were the same words I had spoken so many times before, but had meaning for me now. They made me sick, literally ill, and I stopped.
The realization of what I had just said grew within me like the rising of a crescendo. I had just called Jesus an “apostle of mankind” who was neither inspired nor divine! There was a silent pause that seemed to last a very long time as I struggled with a sick smothering within.
Later, when he came down the wide steps of a large Scottish Rite Temple, 33 degree Mason Jim Shaw turned and looked at the words carved in stone above the entrance: “Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry”, Jim remembered thinking: "It isn’t ancient (goes back to 17th century), it isn’t Scottish (Scottish rite was begun in France), it isn’t free (no females, blacks or poor), and it isn’t right (no mention of Jesus allowed)! This 33 degree Mason, never went back.
Jim found that the bowing to some “Great Architect of the Universe” and calling all Religions equal is pure blasphemy.
He thought of the great Masonic lie that all religions are equal, including Islam and Satanism. If all these religions within Masonry are “correct” or of equal “validity”, and each claims to be the valid and correct one. It therefore becomes obvious that they cannot all be “right” or of equal validity. Satanists mock and blaspheme God on a daily basis; and Muslims deny Jesus ever even died on a cross.
Islam, for instance rejects that Jesus died a korben (sacrificial atonement) death for us. Islam gives its greatest regard to a man who did no miracles to prove divinity and in no way measured up to the sinless and loving Jesus. Muhammad also made no real prophecies, had everyone killed who disagreed with him, and was fond of splitting up booty from military raids against innocent people. See more in: “Muhammad, Terrorist or Prophet?”
These are the Scriptures that Jim, could not reconcile with Masonry:
Jesus said: “I am the bread of life; he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst…him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out…and this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:47-54
Reference above from Jim Shaw’s book:
Read here: A Freemason’s 33rd Degree Initiation
FOOTNOTES FROM JIM SHAW’S BOOK, Page 76
In a well-ordered lodge, Jesus is never mentioned except in vague, philosophical terms. Prayers are never in His name, and when scriptures are quoted in the ritual, all references to Him are simply omitted. For example, II Thessalonians 3:6 is used in the ritual, but not the way it is in your Bible; the words “in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” are entirely omitted. Likewise, the ritual includes 1 Peter 2:5, but with the words “by Jesus Christ” omitted. Albert Mackey, after Albert Pike the highest Masonic authority, calls this changing of the scriptures “a slight but necessary modifucation” (Masonic Ritualist, page 272)
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ChrissiM
Guest
Speaking of the “french form”, I have often heard that the initiators of the French Revolution were mainly freemasons. But to be honest, untill now I always only heard people saying that, but I never saw a source yet. So I still have to do some research. However, I say this because I’m fascinated by french history. And on the other hand I have a very, very, very negative attitude towards the Revolution because of what they had done to the catholic people of the Vendée. The people of the Vendée didn’t want to renounce their catholic faith and they defended themselves againsted the terror of the Jacobins. At the end they were defeated and then the Jacobins sent their troops to the Vendée with the order to kill everyone. This was a genocide and it always makes me so furious and sad when I think about it. So the question if the initiators of the French Revolution were Freemasons or not is very important for me because my attitude to Freemasonry depends mainly on this question.
To make it clear, I’m speaking of my personal attitude towards Freemasonry. The Church has defined that one can’t be a Catholic and a Freemason at the same time. So there’s no question for me at this point. I’m just talking about my personal feelings because it is one thing to say that two different belief systems are incompatible, but it is another thing to really dislike a belief system. I mean there are many religions who are not compatible with Catholicism, but I don’t have a personal problem with them. That’s the difference.
Chrissi
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sweetchuck
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Don’t know if you all saw this, but there was an article on this very topic published online Saturday:
motherofallpeoples.com/articles/our-lady-and-christian-culture/can-a-catholic-be-a-freemason.html
(Dr. Miravalle was mentioned earlier. And he is the editor of this online site.)
motherofallpeoples.com/articles/our-lady-and-christian-culture/can-a-catholic-be-a-freemason.html
(Dr. Miravalle was mentioned earlier. And he is the editor of this online site.)
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Soutane
Guest
Masonry’s public image is Shriners with cute fuzzy fezzes and darling little cars.The private truth is MUCH more sinister.
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Publisher
Guest
Some of the posts about Freemasonry sound like the makings of a Dan Brown novel.
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maize
Guest
didnt they poison pope JPI tea and make the vatican bankers death look like a suicide?
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workingman
Guest
What a well written article.
States I think quite clearly the Churches standing on it. :clapping:
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JamesRottnek
Guest
I have never been a Freemason (nor have I ever known any) so I cannot say anything for certain. However, almost all of the posts in this thread look like the stuff about how the Jews are trying to take over the world and already control all of the banks and news, and it sounds like 90% of the conspiracy theories about the Catholic Church. I think all of you need to not post things you’ve heard like these unless you have real proof. I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but your posts really just seem like all of the other crazy conspiracies.
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