Freemasonry A Evil Group

[joe_clark]

Spanish Inquisition, burning innocent people as witches and pedophiles involved in the church that tells others are evil? The Masons are not a religious group or order. They do not ask what religion do you profess to, before joining, however God is a part of the requirement to become a mason. The holy bible we all read and the Pledge of Allegiance is also used to open up every meeting. What church, what God is for you to decide and what is in your heart and in your mind.

 

[DallasTexas]

Funny how the church names Free Masonary as “the enemy”, but the Free Masons do not name the church as an enemy? I am not a mason, but I don’t need to fear them. I need to fear the devil. I believe it was and is really about men and the money they generate. I believe the church see the Free masons as “poaching”. The truth is a man can worship God, Jesus Christ, be faithful to him and be associated with the K of C and be a free mason.

If you believe the Masons are evil then you need to see just some of the heritage of America and the people that you also condem. All were found on a websitehttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/famous_masons.htm listing the following people as Masons.

Gene Autry, Movie and television star,William “Bud” Abbott Famous half of the Abbott & Costello comedy team,Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States (1953-1969, George Washington General, Politician, and First President of the United States,John Wayne, American actor, Mark Twain, American author. , Harry S Truman, U.S. President,
Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy’s,William Howard Taft, Richard Bernard “Red” Skelton, John Philip Sousa, Composer,Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, U.S. President,Will Rogers American political commontator,Roy Rogers, American actor,Ed Rendell, Governor of Pennsylvania, Matthew Calbraith Perry, Commodore, US Navy,John J. Pershing, Commander, American Expeditionary Force,

Audie Murphy, One of the most decorated United States combat soldier of World War II,
William McKinley, U.S. President, John S. McCain, Jr. (1911-1981), US admiral, John S. McCain, Sr. (1884-1945), US admiral,General Douglas MacArthur, US General during World War II, Thurgood Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice, John Marshall, Chief Justice of the United States, Andrew Jackson, U.S. President, Burl Ives, American actor and singer, Warren G. Harding, U.S. President, Virgil I. Grissom Second American in space, John H. Glenn, Jr., Astronaut and US Senator, James A. Garfield, U.S. President, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford founder of the Ford Motor Company,Gerald Ford U.S. President, Duke Ellington, Musician, William O. Douglas, US Associate Justice, Bob Dole, US politician, James Doolittle, US General, Jack Dempsey, heavyweight boxing champion, Davy Crockett, 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician, Leroy Cooper, U.S. astronaut, Nat King Cole pianist and ballad singer,George Cohan, Broadway star, William F. Cody, a.k.a. Buffalo Bill, Tyrus Cobb, baseball star , Thomas C. Clark, US Associate Justice , James F. Byrnes, US Associate Justice, Admiral Richard E. Byrd US Admiral, Arthur Leopold Busch, Builder of First Submarine Accepted by the United States Government, Harold H. Burton, US Associate Justice, James Buchanan, U.S. President, Ernest Borgnine, Actor,

Daniel Carter Beard, Founder of the Boy Scouts, William “Count” Basie Jazz orchestra leader and composer, Henry Baldwin, US Associate Justice, Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin Astronaut. Second Man on the Moon, Andrew Jackson, 7th President, James Monroe, 5th President, George Washington, 1st President, 1789 - 1797, Commanding General during American Revolution.

Joe Clark,

Good post!

The list goes on…

Fathers of Texas Independence:
Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin, Mirabeau Lamar, Col. Travis, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, Lorenzo de Zavala, Juan Seguin…

More actors:
Mario Moreno (Cantinflas), John Wayne

Thank you!

 

[DallasTexas]

**** For all of you that are still active in masonic lodges I hope the following will wake up your mind and heart AND YOUR SOUL about the hidden demonic influences in masonry that are not told to masons until they have reached the 32 degree in SCOTTISH rite or the YORK rite and Shrine , there is a very good website on the free masons which actually was designed and placed on teh web by former masons who had an encounter with the holy spirit and convicted them of the demonic influence in masonry that web site is called cutting edge ministeries.com there is also a very good dvd called ’ freemasonry from darkness to light" and it was produced by jeremiah films -1-800745-1282 I was a 32 degree scottish rite mason from 1980 to 2006 when I finally saw the true light from the Holy Spirit and asked God to forgive me from this masonic organization

Augie,

Thank you very much for your posting–it is great when we can be in harmony and learn from one another.

I went out a few day ago to the above mentioned website and didn’t find it too credible. There are a lot of websites out there that are based on conspiracies. Freemasonrywatch.org is probably the biggest on of them all. It even states that Obama and Bush are masons… to the best of my knowledge this is not true.

The only thing these websites prove is that fiction sells better than facts.

May peace be with you.

 

[DallasTexas]

These are nothing but Red Herrings.

read these:

papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms3.htm

papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13human.htm

Jam070406,

Thank you for your posting.

Wow!

I just re-read Pope Leo’s encyclicals and felt obliged to quote on in this post.

The below is from Humanum Genus paragraph 22.

1. Then come their doctrines of politics, in which the naturalists lay down that all men have the same right, and are in every respect of equal and like condition; that each one is naturally free; that no one has the right to command another; that it is an act of violence to require men to obey any authority other than that which is obtained from themselves. According to this, therefore, all things belong to the free people; power is held by the command or permission of the people, so that, when the popular will changes, rulers may lawfully be deposed and the source of all rights and civil duties is either in the multitude or in the governing authority when this is constituted according to the latest doctrines. It is held also that the State should be without God; that in the various forms of religion there is no reason why one should have precedence of another; and that they are all to occupy the same place.

Seems to me that this is speaking out against democracy? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

If I had to choose, I’ll go with a government of the people, by the people and for the people with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Every mason should read Humanum Genus.

About a year ago after I read this for the first time, I realized that it is my belief that the Church is in error with It’s stance on Freemasonry and that it is not a sin to be a mason.

In the past, papal encyclicals have given instruction on torture and prohibited business relations with Jews among other things. Just being issued by a pope does not mean that I will follow or believe it…

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed her are my own and not those of anyone else–person or organization.

Thank you again.

 

[jam070406]

Jam070406,

Thank you for your posting.

Wow!

I just re-read Pope Leo’s encyclicals and felt obliged to quote on in this post.

The below is from Humanum Genus paragraph 22.

1. Then come their doctrines of politics, in which the naturalists lay down that all men have the same right, and are in every respect of equal and like condition; that each one is naturally free; that no one has the right to command another; that it is an act of violence to require men to obey any authority other than that which is obtained from themselves. According to this, therefore, all things belong to the free people; power is held by the command or permission of the people, so that, when the popular will changes, rulers may lawfully be deposed and the source of all rights and civil duties is either in the multitude or in the governing authority when this is constituted according to the latest doctrines. It is held also that the State should be without God; that in the various forms of religion there is no reason why one should have precedence of another; and that they are all to occupy the same place.

Seems to me that this is speaking out against democracy? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

If I had to choose, I’ll go with a government of the people, by the people and for the people with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Every mason should read Humanum Genus.

About a year ago after I read this for the first time, I realized that it is my belief that the Church is in error with It’s stance on Freemasonry and that it is not a sin to be a mason.

In the past, papal encyclicals have given instruction on torture and prohibited business relations with Jews among other things. Just being issued by a pope does not mean that I will follow or believe it…

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed her are my own and not those of anyone else–person or organization.

Thank you again.

Sorry, but, If you don’t believe that being a Mason puts a Catholic in a grave state of sin then you are the one in error. Yes, you, to be a Catholic in good standing owe obedience to the Pope and the Magisterium. And they have stated as much about Freemasonry.

I believe Leo is saying God should not be excluded from government. Abortion is legal in this country in the name of supposed “freedom”. An example of the exclusion of, and disobedience to, God’s Divine law.

The dissenters do not have ears to hear therefore I will shake the dust on this topic…

God bless. May the Holy Spirit lead you to Truth.

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Spanish Inquisition, burning innocent people as witches and pedophiles involved in the church that tells others are evil? The Masons are not a religious group or order. They do not ask what religion do you profess to, before joining, however God is a part of the requirement to become a mason. The holy bible we all read and the Pledge of Allegiance is also used to open up every meeting. What church, what God is for you to decide and what is in your heart and in your mind.

I’m not sure how bad an idea it was to torch pedophiles

That being said … golly I think we’re reaching too far back in history to find a stone to toss at a church. However, I also agree with your premise, the Masons are fine as far as I can tell.

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Abortion is legal in this country in the name of supposed “freedom”. An example of the exclusion of, and disobedience to, God’s Divine law.

I’m not sure how fair it is to attach abortion to this topic? How can we really expect the government to force a women to carry a pregnancy to term anyways … even if the practice is criminalized (which overturning Roe wouldn’t accomplish anyway, since pre-Roe it was left to the states, and I doubt undoing Roe would result in any more than perhaps a half dozen or so states turning back the clock … and of course they wouldn’t be able to prevent women from simply driving to the neighboring state).

 

[jam070406]

I’m not sure how fair it is to attach abortion to this topic? How can we really expect the government to force a women to carry a pregnancy to term anyways … even if the practice is criminalized (which overturning Roe wouldn’t accomplish anyway, since pre-Roe it was left to the states, and I doubt undoing Roe would result in any more than perhaps a half dozen or so states turning back the clock … and of course they wouldn’t be able to prevent women from simply driving to the neighboring state).

Because Dallas complained that he preferred a government for the people by the people and not a government keeping with God’s Divine law, as Pope Leo proposed.

I know you feel the same way. But even you can be honest enough to concede that abortion is against Divine law, no?

(dang it…I said I was done with this thread)

 

[workingman]

This issue greatly concerns me as I was and still am a Mason and intend to continue to be one the rest of my life. It was my wife who brought me back to god, it is the mason’s who brought me to the catholic church. They inspired me to look to god in my daily life. Once I had god in my life, I began to seek for answers and I feel that god has lead me to the Catholic Church.

I am a man and I commit sins, but I have tried to be honorable throughout my life. I took a vow before God and I take every vow before God seriously. When the masons asked me to take a vow with my hand on a bible, to god, I paused to consider the implications and I have not questioned my decision. I am proud to be a mason. I am proud that men of denominations can look beyond the differences in their doctrines and as a group perform charitable acts within their communities. And that is what I see them as.

Please do not condemn the Freemasons. There may be a history between the church and freemasonry that has been less than perfect, but the church has its own history which can be questioned as well. Is this not true of us all.

I can assure you that the freemasons of today do not condemn catholicism nor do they practice satanic rituals. They accept men freely who ask to join and believe in one God, they even include Jews in their ranks. Very rare is an organization who accepts men so freely despite differences in viewpoint.

Yes, they have secrets, but they are not a secret organization. They publish their meeting times and locations in the local papers, the locations of their temples are clearly marked with symbols, and they speak freely of their organization with others. Ask a man if he is a mason and he does not hide it, many mark themselves with rings or other items declaring their membership proudly.

From my experience, these are men and women (in the case of the Eastern Star) who believe in a single diety whom they refer to as the Great Architect of the Universe, but its implication is simply God. They do not preach religion, but are a fraternal organization who respect the word of god and who perform charitable acts to the communities they are part of. They particularly look out for the widows and orphans of their members, but do not confine themselves to those alone as can be shown from the Kosair’s Hospitals amongst other charities. The most religious practice I have seen in a Masonic temple is they open and close with prayer. It is hard to believe that god would condemn men for that.

I find it even harder to believe that God would deny me or any other access to heaven for associating in an organization of men who meet and openly commit charitable acts for our fellow human beings.

I am concerned that the church may condemn me for such association. My priest knows of my membership to the Masons. While I can not speak his mind, he did not condemn me for this choice - we spoke on it briefly and he is not intending to refuse me to join. I continue to consult my bible to find something that disallows my membership, but have not located anything to date (please feel free to cite a section if you find one)
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The only argument to date that I have found is that the masons were anti catholic at some point, but I reject historical references to both the catholic church and to freemasonry as they do not reflect the men and women who compose those organizations today. I judge the masons as I do the church on its members and their actions and practices.

Perhaps I have written to much, I do not wish to offend. This is a matter of great importance to me and one which has been on my mind for some time and I expect to continue to be. Perhaps this makes me illegitimate to join the church, I continue to seek that answer with prayer and my priest. I await your commentary.

Sincerely,
Tony

Oneheartway, I realy do thank you for your honest and heart felt posting. I can relate as one brother to another. I encourage you to follow your path to further light. I know I have resumed mine. I might have been quick on my judgment of masonry. I have continued my research and will continue to study it.

Oneheartway "I am cirious would you have a association/affiliation with them if they accepted athiest? "

I might join a charitable organization that accepts athiests… but then they would not be the freemasons.

Me personaly maby but as you said it would not be masonry. I find though most athiest are more of a agnostic.

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Oneheartway, “They are tolerant of other religions because they hold to a belief that all religious paths lead to one “grand architect of the universe” and salvation, through these varying paths.”

My priest said that 97% of what the protestant religions believe is the same as the catholic church and that he doubted that the remaining 3% would keep you out of heaven.

No mason has ever said that all relgious paths lead to salvation. I always felt they left that for each of us to find on our own. In fact, we do not discuss religion and doctrine in our meetings. Other than an opening and closing prayer (and before meals), there is little religious activity in the lodge.

I find your priests comments interesting.

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Because Dallas complained that he preferred a government for the people by the people and not a government keeping with God’s Divine law, as Pope Leo proposed.

I know you feel the same way. But even you can be honest enough to concede that abortion is against Divine law, no?

(dang it…I said I was done with this thread)

While I’m not a theist … I was a cradle Catholic who studied the heck out of theology & yes abortion is probably not consistent with the spirit of god’s law (even if the letter of his law doesn’t explicitly deal with the question, or at least not in a clear way).

For instance there are presentations in scripture where a fetus (in the womb) is treated as property of the father (rather than an independent life). It’s easy to say something like as long as we’re guided by love we can’t go wrong … but sometimes even that can be confusing (no matter how smart we think we are).

So it is a tough question (and I don’t treat it lightly, although I admit to never attending an abortion rally on one side or the other).

 

[workingman]

When one searches freemasonry there are so many conspriacy theriost sights it is absolutly obserd. The below are some of the leading antimasonic sights on the web. all of
them in my opinion are either conspiracey therist or have a twitsted version of the truth or have their own hidden ajenda/ax to grind. Most people like to discount pro masonic sights. So what make anti masonic sights any more credible?

ephesians5-11.org/
freemasonrywatch.org/anti-masonry.html
cuttingedge.org/

 

[workingman]

Since it is hard to find a positive masonic websight that does not deal with one specific issue I will give the following. Can masonry be evil when it is founded partly on the following basic principals.

Freemasons follow 3 great principles:

Brotherly Love - Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures.
Relief - Freemasons are taught to practise charity and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals.
Truth - Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives.

And they believe that by following these main principles, that they may achieve higher standards in life. Freemasons believe strongly in providing charity to others, if not through monetary donations, then through undertaking voluntary work.
(source; ezinearticles.com/?What-Are-Freemasons?&id=1978448)

Also check out the link below.

aboutfreemasons.com/Main_Page

 

[DallasTexas]

Jam070406,

Thank you for your post.

Sorry, but, If you don’t believe that being a Mason puts a Catholic in a grave state of sin then you are the one in error. Yes, you, to be a Catholic in good standing owe obedience to the Pope and the Magisterium. And they have stated as much about Freemasonry.

Well then, I guess that I’m probably not a good catholic in your opinion. As I have stated before, there are other papal edicts that I would not follow.

**Cum nimis absurdum - **The bull placed religious and economic restrictions on Jews in the Papal States. The bull renewed anti-Jewish legislation and subjected Jews to various degradations and restrictions on their personal freedom. Under the bull, Jewish males were forced to wear a pointed yellow hat, and Jewish females a yellow kerchief (see yellow badge). Jews were also forbidden to own real estate or practice medicine among Christians. The bull also created the Roman Ghetto, where the Jews of Rome, who had lived freely since antiquity, were segregated in a walled quarter with three gates that were locked at night. Jews were also restricted to one synagogue per city.

Paul IV’s successor, Pope Pius IV, enforced the creation of other ghettos in most Italian towns, and his successor, Pope Pius V, recommended them to other bordering states.

If I know something to be wrong, I will not support it.

I’ll keep my faith in Jesus Christ.

I believe Leo is saying God should not be excluded from government. Abortion is legal in this country in the name of supposed “freedom”. An example of the exclusion of, and disobedience to, God’s Divine law.

God cannot be excluded from government anymore than water can be excluded from the ocean. He is all-powerful, all-loving, all-knowing, and all-present. All masons know this, and I don’t think that any mason would want to see any attempt to exclude God from government. Praise God that many official government meetings continue to be opened and/or closed with prayer.

I do not think that Leo is as frustrated with the masons for excluding God from the government as much as he is seeing the Roman Catholic Church’s control (ie. power) taken away. I must say his writings do have a strong touch of “scorn.” To this day, Garibaldi is a national hero in Italy.

Just for the record, I’m very against abortion. As a matter of fact, I believe (maybe incorrectly so) that the people know it is wrong as well and would have never voted for such an atrosity to be legal had it been put up for a vote. I see this as a flaw in the sytem that this exist in our country–not a flaw with the philosophy.

The dissenters do not have ears to hear therefore I will shake the dust on this topic…

You lost me on this one?

God bless. May the Holy Spirit lead you to Truth.

Thank you and likewise my brother in Christ.

I appreciate your posting.

 

[Oneheartway]

“Sorry, but, If you don’t believe that being a Mason puts a Catholic in a grave state of sin then you are the one in error. Yes, you, to be a Catholic in good standing owe obedience to the Pope and the Magisterium. And they have stated as much about Freemasonry.”

Am I to understand that it is a sin to not obey the Pope and Magisterium in every way?

 

[joe_clark]

**Quote:
Originally Posted by joe clark
Funny how the church names Free Masonary as “the enemy”, but the Free Masons do not name the church as an enemy? I am not a mason, but I don’t need to fear them. I need to fear the devil. I believe it was and is really about men and the money they generate. I believe the church see the Free masons as “poaching”. The truth is a man can worship God, Jesus Christ, be faithful to him and be associated with the K of C and be a free mason.

If you believe the Masons are evil then you need to see just some of the heritage of America and the people that you also condem. All were found on a websitehttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/famous_masons.htm listing the following people as Masons.

Gene Autry, Movie and television star,William “Bud” Abbott Famous half of the Abbott & Costello comedy team,Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States (1953-1969, George Washington General, Politician, and First President of the United States,John Wayne, American actor, Mark Twain, American author. , Harry S Truman, U.S. President,
Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy’s,William Howard Taft, Richard Bernard “Red” Skelton, John Philip Sousa, Composer,Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, U.S. President,Will Rogers American political commontator,Roy Rogers, American actor,Ed Rendell, Governor of Pennsylvania, Matthew Calbraith Perry, Commodore, US Navy,John J. Pershing, Commander, American Expeditionary Force,

Audie Murphy, One of the most decorated United States combat soldier of World War II,
William McKinley, U.S. President, John S. McCain, Jr. (1911-1981), US admiral, John S. McCain, Sr. (1884-1945), US admiral,General Douglas MacArthur, US General during World War II, Thurgood Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice, John Marshall, Chief Justice of the United States, Andrew Jackson, U.S. President, Burl Ives, American actor and singer, Warren G. Harding, U.S. President, Virgil I. Grissom Second American in space, John H. Glenn, Jr., Astronaut and US Senator, James A. Garfield, U.S. President, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford founder of the Ford Motor Company,Gerald Ford U.S. President, Duke Ellington, Musician, William O. Douglas, US Associate Justice, Bob Dole, US politician, James Doolittle, US General, Jack Dempsey, heavyweight boxing champion, Davy Crockett, 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician, Leroy Cooper, U.S. astronaut, Nat King Cole pianist and ballad singer,George Cohan, Broadway star, William F. Cody, a.k.a. Buffalo Bill, Tyrus Cobb, baseball star , Thomas C. Clark, US Associate Justice , James F. Byrnes, US Associate Justice, Admiral Richard E. Byrd US Admiral, Arthur Leopold Busch, Builder of First Submarine Accepted by the United States Government, Harold H. Burton, US Associate Justice, James Buchanan, U.S. President, Ernest Borgnine, Actor,

Daniel Carter Beard, Founder of the Boy Scouts, William “Count” Basie Jazz orchestra leader and composer, Henry Baldwin, US Associate Justice, Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin Astronaut. Second Man on the Moon, Andrew Jackson, 7th President, James Monroe, 5th President, George Washington, 1st President, 1789 - 1797, Commanding General during American Revolution. **

Can all these people and their lives be ignored or nulified? Were all the above that were Catholics and Masons make more or less of them? At one time being a free Mason and a Catholic was not a grave sin. Now it has become one. This is an area of great concern. The above people and what we know of them turned out to be fine Americans and offered their time, fought and offered their lives to the benefit of all citizens in this country. The very country that allows Catholics to enjoy and profess their faith without duress or paranioa. This is a problem.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Am I to understand that it is a sin to not obey the Pope and Magisterium in every way?

In matters of faith, morals, and Church law it is.

 

[Brother2]

Ha. Just a personal note. Winston Churchill was also a Free Mason. I was at the Freemason Temple in London last week and it was advertised outside…there were other big names too.

I suggest another website? Amazing Discoveries; by Professor Walter Veith. I’m afraid to say he is now Adventist. Though he used to be a Roman Catholic and an evolutionist and his wife used to dabble in the Occult…so he has been there and got the T shirt, so just maybe he knows what he is talking about…???

As I say this is just a personal observation. Michael.

 

[human_being]

Funny how the church names Free Masonary as “the enemy”, but the Free Masons do not name the church as an enemy? I am not a mason, but I don’t need to fear them. I need to fear the devil. I believe it was and is really about men and the money they generate. I believe the church see the Free masons as “poaching”. The truth is a man can worship God, Jesus Christ, be faithful to him and be associated with the K of C and be a free mason.

If you believe the Masons are evil then you need to see just some of the heritage of America and the people that you also condem. All were found on a websitehttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/famous_masons.htm listing the following people as Masons.

Gene Autry, Movie and television star,William “Bud” Abbott Famous half of the Abbott & Costello comedy team,Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States (1953-1969, George Washington General, Politician, and First President of the United States,John Wayne, American actor, Mark Twain, American author. , Harry S Truman, U.S. President,
Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy’s,William Howard Taft, Richard Bernard “Red” Skelton, John Philip Sousa, Composer,Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, U.S. President,Will Rogers American political commontator,Roy Rogers, American actor,Ed Rendell, Governor of Pennsylvania, Matthew Calbraith Perry, Commodore, US Navy,John J. Pershing, Commander, American Expeditionary Force,

Audie Murphy, One of the most decorated United States combat soldier of World War II,
William McKinley, U.S. President, John S. McCain, Jr. (1911-1981), US admiral, John S. McCain, Sr. (1884-1945), US admiral,General Douglas MacArthur, US General during World War II, Thurgood Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice, John Marshall, Chief Justice of the United States, Andrew Jackson, U.S. President, Burl Ives, American actor and singer, Warren G. Harding, U.S. President, Virgil I. Grissom Second American in space, John H. Glenn, Jr., Astronaut and US Senator, James A. Garfield, U.S. President, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford founder of the Ford Motor Company,Gerald Ford U.S. President, Duke Ellington, Musician, William O. Douglas, US Associate Justice, Bob Dole, US politician, James Doolittle, US General, Jack Dempsey, heavyweight boxing champion, Davy Crockett, 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician, Leroy Cooper, U.S. astronaut, Nat King Cole pianist and ballad singer,George Cohan, Broadway star, William F. Cody, a.k.a. Buffalo Bill, Tyrus Cobb, baseball star , Thomas C. Clark, US Associate Justice , James F. Byrnes, US Associate Justice, Admiral Richard E. Byrd US Admiral, Arthur Leopold Busch, Builder of First Submarine Accepted by the United States Government, Harold H. Burton, US Associate Justice, James Buchanan, U.S. President, Ernest Borgnine, Actor,

Daniel Carter Beard, Founder of the Boy Scouts, William “Count” Basie Jazz orchestra leader and composer, Henry Baldwin, US Associate Justice, Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin Astronaut. Second Man on the Moon, Andrew Jackson, 7th President, James Monroe, 5th President, George Washington, 1st President, 1789 - 1797, Commanding General during American Revolution.

It’s not a joke. Did you read any of the encyclicals which are law to catholics,listed in previous posts? I believe the freemasons owe favors and possibly,in my opinion, you may have never heard of alot of the people listed by you if they were not masons. I think special mason “favors” may have gotten alot of them in the spotlight as they are. I have even read of judges alowing criminals to go do to the brotherhood. If the pope says it’s evil in an encyclical,it’s evil. And I’m not sure that you can be a K of C (probably not) and a mason. You are not supposed to take communion if you are a mason.And I would hope most K of C like to take communion.

 

[human_being]

Spanish Inquisition, burning innocent people as witches and pedophiles involved in the church that tells others are evil? The Masons are not a religious group or order. They do not ask what religion do you profess to, before joining, however God is a part of the requirement to become a mason. The holy bible we all read and the Pledge of Allegiance is also used to open up every meeting. What church, what God is for you to decide and what is in your heart and in your mind.

If you are catholic,you are not allowed to be a mason. It’s a teaching of the church. You can dabble with it and think it’s ok,if you want but if you join you are EXCOMMUNICATED.PERIOD. We do not just go by the bible. We have leaders and they have told us it is evil. The words in the encylicals posted are VERY strong.

 

[human_being]

**Quote:
Originally Posted by joe clark
Funny how the church names Free Masonary as “the enemy”, but the Free Masons do not name the church as an enemy? I am not a mason, but I don’t need to fear them. I need to fear the devil. I believe it was and is really about men and the money they generate. I believe the church see the Free masons as “poaching”. The truth is a man can worship God, Jesus Christ, be faithful to him and be associated with the K of C and be a free mason.

If you believe the Masons are evil then you need to see just some of the heritage of America and the people that you also condem. All were found on a websitehttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/famous_masons.htm listing the following people as Masons.

Gene Autry, Movie and television star,William “Bud” Abbott Famous half of the Abbott & Costello comedy team,Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States (1953-1969, George Washington General, Politician, and First President of the United States,John Wayne, American actor, Mark Twain, American author. , Harry S Truman, U.S. President,
Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy’s,William Howard Taft, Richard Bernard “Red” Skelton, John Philip Sousa, Composer,Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, U.S. President,Will Rogers American political commontator,Roy Rogers, American actor,Ed Rendell, Governor of Pennsylvania, Matthew Calbraith Perry, Commodore, US Navy,John J. Pershing, Commander, American Expeditionary Force,

Audie Murphy, One of the most decorated United States combat soldier of World War II,
William McKinley, U.S. President, John S. McCain, Jr. (1911-1981), US admiral, John S. McCain, Sr. (1884-1945), US admiral,General Douglas MacArthur, US General during World War II, Thurgood Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice, John Marshall, Chief Justice of the United States, Andrew Jackson, U.S. President, Burl Ives, American actor and singer, Warren G. Harding, U.S. President, Virgil I. Grissom Second American in space, John H. Glenn, Jr., Astronaut and US Senator, James A. Garfield, U.S. President, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford founder of the Ford Motor Company,Gerald Ford U.S. President, Duke Ellington, Musician, William O. Douglas, US Associate Justice, Bob Dole, US politician, James Doolittle, US General, Jack Dempsey, heavyweight boxing champion, Davy Crockett, 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician, Leroy Cooper, U.S. astronaut, Nat King Cole pianist and ballad singer,George Cohan, Broadway star, William F. Cody, a.k.a. Buffalo Bill, Tyrus Cobb, baseball star , Thomas C. Clark, US Associate Justice , James F. Byrnes, US Associate Justice, Admiral Richard E. Byrd US Admiral, Arthur Leopold Busch, Builder of First Submarine Accepted by the United States Government, Harold H. Burton, US Associate Justice, James Buchanan, U.S. President, Ernest Borgnine, Actor,

Daniel Carter Beard, Founder of the Boy Scouts, William “Count” Basie Jazz orchestra leader and composer, Henry Baldwin, US Associate Justice, Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin Astronaut. Second Man on the Moon, Andrew Jackson, 7th President, James Monroe, 5th President, George Washington, 1st President, 1789 - 1797, Commanding General during American Revolution. **

Can all these people and their lives be ignored or nulified? Were all the above that were Catholics and Masons make more or less of them? At one time being a free Mason and a Catholic was not a grave sin. Now it has become one. This is an area of great concern. The above people and what we know of them turned out to be fine Americans and offered their time, fought and offered their lives to the benefit of all citizens in this country. The very country that allows Catholics to enjoy and profess their faith without duress or paranioa. This is a problem.

The encyclicals were written in the 1800’s and most of your list is 1900’s. there probably aren’t any catholics on the list. And I even think Pope JPII may have addressed the same topic a bit in 1983 or so.