Freemasonry A Evil Group

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**Originally Posted by swplan76
One thing that entry/low level Freemasonry does is it incapacitates Christians.

Freemasonry demands primary allegiance.
It demands that masons primarily put their faith in the teachings of Freemasonry and that they keep it secret.
It provides the mason with a sense of community and meaning that excludes the mason’s religious beliefs.

So, if a mason goes to church, they may give lipservice to the religion of their heritage, but their testimony is not that God is showing them the way through the Bible or through their church - their testimony is one they would never share at church. Their testimony is about what Freemasonry has given them.

The mason will only ever be a Christian on the surface - they may appear to be Christians, but they don’t find community or meaning through church, prayer, scripture, or God. Masonry steals all that from them.

I’ve heard that the guys who are higher up hold a secret: They learn the true name of God. They believe the true name of God is Lucifer. I don’t know if this is true, but that is what I’ve been told. By the time they are that far up in the organization, they are committed and have gone through a process and enough secrecy, that they are led to believe that it is good to worship Satan.

If Satan is the true head of the organization, then it makes sense. Satan would want Christians to be disconnected from God and from finding meaning in their relationship with God. Satan would want to distract us from being involved in church and lured away by the attraction of an elite social network.**

The Knights of Columbus are no different. Degrees, passwords, alligiance to God & Country. Please tell me where the big difference is. Thanks…:cool:
 
joe clark
The Knights of Columbus are no different. Degrees, passwords, alligiance to God & Country. Please tell me where the big difference is. Thanks…
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Hi joe clark. Yes the K of C do have degrees, passwords, and alligiance ect… A quick history the Knights of Coumbus was started (name removed by moderator)art by Father Michael J. McGivney. This was from my understanding done to help lure men out of other faternal lodges like the masons. The K of C works fairly closly at least used to and I am still assuming does with the CC. The CC has no problem with the K of C. One must be Catholic to be part of K of C. The K of C also usualy works quite closly with the local parishes in their area. Below is a link to the K of C The websight is probably much more through than I can be. Hope some of this is helpful.

kofc.org/un/eb/en/about/index.html
 
Georgia said:
The quotes from old sources are pretty much unknown outside this forum.
Again, when I was in the fraternity, I never heard of any of these. As to teachings hostile to the Church, I never saw any. The lodges in my state, and all states’ grand lodges are independent, never offered any religious instruction.

I would hope that we can base our knowledge on accurate information. Most of what is getting posted here has not been relevant to the current practice. True, the lodges make no comment on whether one should be Christian and what form of it, or whether one should follow another religion. That is true of all civic groups that have meetings opening and closing in prayer. I only left because I entered the Church and will do nothing to disobey, not because there is anything sinful going on in my former lodge. It seems that well-meaning people are using archaic sources that are leading them to think something is there that simply is not.

When I joined, I remember a pre-interview in which I was warned that we would not have any discussion of religion or of politics in the lodge. Those were said to be topics that could divide men, so our only comments were that we had to believe in God and that we had to find our truths in our own churches.
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Funny how the Masons and every other group other than the church is “no good”. The more I find about the Masons, the more I have to laugh.

Just for fun: Lord Stanley ( NHL -The Stanley Cup) WAS A MASON, and I didn’t know that. All I am seeing are people who were associated with this fraternity that did good work for humanity.

The only thing you have to fear is the fear that others put in your head.😃
 
Masons are BOUND to support a fellow mason in anything, except when they are accused of VERY serious crime and in senior degrees this limitation is removed, they are required to support a fellow mason in ANY situation. They promise esoteric knowledge hidden from others to their members (un-Christian). They ban masons from committing adultery - but only with the wives and daughters of other masons! They commemorate Albert Pike, an avowed Satanist in their HQ in Washington . The coat of arms of the English Lodges has two ‘supporters’ who have red fur and cloven hooves (a CLUE!)! Their ‘great secret’ available to those admitted to the very highest degrees is that Lucifer has been confused with Satan but is in reality a benign entity who can bring worldly success!
Also read the accounts of the apparitions of Our Lady of Good Success who in the 17th century foretold the ascendency of and evil influence of masonry in our time.
The fact that good people are involved in masonry provides no reassurance, good people were Communists, good people were National Socialists they were/are dazzled and duped by the apparently benign aims of those organisations and unaware of the ultimate aims and methods of those organisations.
Check out www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/33rd_Initiation.htm
 
I am not normaly a fan of posting video clips clips for explanations and pointing things out, but
John Salza appeared on EWTN and posted several clips from the show on this topic. Here is the link. I hope all watch it especialy those involeved with Masonry.

scripturecatholic.com/hsomyt.html
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

If the Popes had not been so keen to condemn the Masons, the supposed anti-Catholicism of the Masons might not exist. People & institutions are often the causes of their own problems, & a little more mildness, less zeal to hurl anathemas, with a bit less paranoia (as in the Leo Taxil affair, for instance) might have avoided a lot of the friction. It still can.​

There is definitely a moral there for Catholics. Besides, how is anti-Masonic zeal any different from the anti-Jewish kind ? There was a lot of both of them in France in the 1890s, & both were encouraged by the Church. It took the ovens of Belsen to teach the Church not to demonise Jews - what will it take to teach the Church not to engage in anti-Masonic hysteria 😦 ?

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workingman said:
I am not normaly a fan of posting video clips clips for explanations and pointing things out, but
John Salza appeared on EWTN and posted several clips from the show on this topic. Here is the link. I hope all watch it especialy those involeved with Masonry.

scripturecatholic.com/hsomyt.html
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I watched this - thanks for the link. Why would any Catholic would even consider joining? Almost everything that John says is easily established by any curious outsider/potential member. A friend of a friend (a lapsed Catholic) became uneasy about his own membership and decided to leave the lodge and go to confession. The priest gave him conditional absolution, the condition being that he brought all his regalia at an appointed time. He did so and the priest took it all outside and burnt it. A pity there aren’t a few more priests like that who realise how incompatible masonry and Christianity are.
 
joe_clark said:
Funny how the Masons and every other group other than the church is “no good”. The more I find about the Masons, the more I have to laugh.

Just for fun: Lord Stanley ( NHL -The Stanley Cup) WAS A MASON, and I didn’t know that. All I am seeing are people who were associated with this fraternity that did good work for humanity.

The only thing you have to fear is the fear that others put in your head.😃
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Adolph Hitler built some great autobahns and got the unemployed working again, Stalin industrialised a vast nation, Napoleon standardised units of measurement throughout Europe, Mao executed the evil Chinese warlords. So what? It didn’t make them or their organisations good. Masonry is absolutely and totally incompatible with Christianity no matter what apparent good their members might do. Note that any good is normally done to fellow masons and their dependents in keeping with their promises.
 
StevieD said:
I watched this - thanks for the link. Why would any Catholic would even consider joining? Almost everything that John says is easily established by any curious outsider/potential member. A friend of a friend (a lapsed Catholic) became uneasy about his own membership and decided to leave the lodge and go to confession. The priest gave him conditional absolution, the condition being that he brought all his regalia at an appointed time. He did so and the priest took it all outside and burnt it. A pity there aren’t a few more priests like that who realise how incompatible masonry and Christianity are.
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You are right. Alot of what is said is easily researched. The hard part for any person is when a person gets going in somthing like the Masons. Like John says in the video the pier pressure starts to mount. Once one starts it is hard to back out till full initiation is complete. Even then it can be hard to back out. The easiest way to quit is not to pay your dues. After two years your name is droped from the books.

You are right we definatly need more priest like you talk about above. Maby if our Priests and Bishops were more vocal about it accrost the board it would eliminate any and all confusion. Make a statement about it and draw media attention to get it spread. That would deffinatly make the point I think. Though it might sight some backlash from the Masonic lodges. It also might wake up the K of C since that is suposed to be a Catholic organization and instances are sighted of Masons and K of C working together. Just a thought thank you StevieD for the insparation. Maby I will write to my Priest and Bishop.
 
StevieD,

Thank you very much for your post.
StevieD said:
Masons are BOUND to support a fellow mason in anything, except when they are accused of VERY serious crime and in senior degrees this limitation is removed, they are required to support a fellow mason in ANY situation.
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This is not true.
StevieD said:
They promise esoteric knowledge hidden from others to their members (un-Christian).
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What is esoteric knowledge?
StevieD said:
They ban masons from committing adultery - but only with the wives and daughters of other masons!
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This is true. What is wrong with it? Nowhere do the masons say that any other form of adultery is okay. What am I missing?
StevieD said:
They commemorate Albert Pike, an avowed Satanist in their HQ in Washington .
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We’ve covered this earlier in the thread. If further discussion is desired, I will oblige .

Saying that the HQ is in Washington DC is misleading. Each state and Washington DC is autonomously lead by it’s own Grand Lodge. There is no “HQ.”
StevieD said:
The coat of arms of the English Lodges has two ‘supporters’ who have red fur and cloven hooves (a CLUE!)!
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What does this mean?
StevieD said:
Their ‘great secret’ available to those admitted to the very highest degrees is that Lucifer has been confused with Satan but is in reality a benign entity who can bring worldly success!
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This is a very common line used by anti-masons. That after years of work and study that somehow a mason gets to the top of the degrees to discover that everything is really the exact opposite of what it is said to be and that they are really worshiping… “SATAN!!!”

I believe this as much as I believe what Jack Chick says about the Pope…
StevieD said:
Also read the accounts of the apparitions of Our Lady of Good Success who in the 17th century foretold the ascendency of and evil influence of masonry in our time.
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I would be very interested in reading any information you have on this subject.
StevieD said:
The fact that good people are involved in masonry provides no reassurance, good people were Communists, good people were National Socialists they were/are dazzled and duped by the apparently benign aims of those organisations and unaware of the ultimate aims and methods of those organisations.
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I agree with the point that bad people sometimes do good things. This is neither here nor there…

StevieD, with all due respect, I not finding your information too credible.

Once again however, thank you for your post.
 
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Thank you very much for your post
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First Dallas hello. Hope you are doing well. I know this was not directed at me but what the heck. I thought I might answere a couple of points anyway.
What is esoteric knowledge?
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esoteric 1. understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite: poetry full of esoteric allusions.
2. belonging to the select few.
3. private; secret; confidential.
4. (of a philosophical doctrine or the like) intended to be revealed only to the initiates of a group: the esoteric doctrines of Pythagoras.

Synonyms:
  1. abstruse, arcane, cryptic, enigmatic.
    (source dictionary.reference.com/browse/esoteric)
Also if you prefer I suggest this sight also: kheper.net/topics/esoteric.html
I hope that was helpful.
This is true. What is wrong with it? Nowhere do the masons say that any other form of adultery is okay. What am I missing?
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I think what is being referenced is that it is implied that out side of the lodge it is not forbiden in a oath/teachings. Though with a Masonic brother’s family and relative it is completely forbiden.
Saying that the HQ is in Washington DC is misleading. Each state and Washington DC is autonomously lead by it’s own Grand Lodge. There is no “HQ.”
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What is being refered to here I believe is the Scottish Rite temple were one must go to be brought into the 33rd degree. So technicaly that would be a HQ.
What does this mean?
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I don’t know either so I will ask the same maby StevieD can enlighten us.
Originally Posted by StevieD
The coat of arms of the English Lodges has two ‘supporters’ who have red fur and cloven hooves (a CLUE!)!
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This is a very common line used by anti-masons. That after years of work and study that somehow a mason gets to the top of the degrees to discover that everything is really the exact opposite of what it is said to be and that they are really worshiping… “SATAN!!!”
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I believe this as much as I believe what Jack Chick says about the Pope…
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🤷 This can be debated endlessly. On whether or not they worship Satan aka Lucifer. The only point I ask Dallas is what about all the other denominations out there who have taken a anti Masonic stance? There was a whole list of them that condemed it. Just looking for your thoughts on that. I know that other denom’s members who are Masons. I am looking for your reason that they would of condemed it? A since they do why do you think they/Christianity has such a problem with it?

Thank you Dallas. I look forward to your resoponce.

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StevieD said:
Adolph Hitler built some great autobahns and got the unemployed working again, Stalin industrialised a vast nation, Napoleon standardised units of measurement throughout Europe, Mao executed the evil Chinese warlords. So what? It didn’t make them or their organisations good. Masonry is absolutely and totally incompatible with Christianity no matter what apparent good their members might do. Note that any good is normally done to fellow masons and their dependents in keeping with their promises.
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The church burned people like marshmallows while they were alive and accused them of being witches, the world was flat and not round, inquisition ect ect. So what?🤷
 
joe_clark said:
The church burned people like marshmallows while they were alive and accused them of being witches, the world was flat and not round, inquisition ect ect. So what?🤷
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yup nothings perfect. 🤷 Science changes.🤷
 
The Scottish Rite temple in Washington is only the headquarters for the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite. It exercises no authority over any Grand Lodge of the states, nor does it control the Scottish Rite in states outside the Southern Jurisdiction.

Anyone reading a central authority into any Masonic organization has made a mistake. Masonry is as varied and separated as are independent churches that may nominally be of the same denomination.
 
Freemasonry is about the only group of theists who at least make a little bit of sense.
 
In that the current version of Masonry makes no statement about God, other than the fact members are required to believe in Him, how do they have a theology?
 
DallasTexas said:
StevieD,

Thank you very much for your post.

This is not true.

What is esoteric knowledge?

This is true. What is wrong with it? Nowhere do the masons say that any other form of adultery is okay. What am I missing?

We’ve covered this earlier in the thread. If further discussion is desired, I will oblige .

Saying that the HQ is in Washington DC is misleading. Each state and Washington DC is autonomously lead by it’s own Grand Lodge. There is no “HQ.”

What does this mean?

This is a very common line used by anti-masons. That after years of work and study that somehow a mason gets to the top of the degrees to discover that everything is really the exact opposite of what it is said to be and that they are really worshiping… “SATAN!!!”

I believe this as much as I believe what Jack Chick says about the Pope…

I would be very interested in reading any information you have on this subject.

I agree with the point that bad people sometimes do good things. This is neither here nor there…

StevieD, with all due respect, I not finding your information too credible.

Once again however, thank you for your post.
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Workingman has given answers to some of these points with regard to Our Lady of Good Success, just google it. Regarding the ‘supporters’ to the coat of arms, try www.ugle.org.uk, you will see the coat of arms of the United Grand Lodge of England, alongside of which are two figures (known in heraldry as ‘supporters’, I understand). These figures have wings, red furred legs and cloven hooves! I would also recommed a book called ‘Darkness Visible’ by an Anglican clergyman called Walton Hannah. He examines the rites theologically and leaves no doubt that what is said and done in these ceremonies is heresy.
 
PS to my earlier post: (The writer of this book, subsequently left the Anglican Church and became a Catholic and later a priest)

‘Darkness Visible’ contains the entire and authentic text of the Masonic ritual of the first three degrees and of the Royal Arch. Hannah wrote this book to substantiate his conviction that for a quasi-religious organisation such as Freemasonry to offer prayers and worship to God but exclude the name of Jesus Christ demonstrates its incompatibility with Christianity.
Since Darkness Visible was first published, the accuracy of the author’s transcription of Masonic rituals has never been questioned, no intelligent answer to his case has ever been forthcoming, and the book continues to sell strongly among Masons and non-Masons alike.
Every Christian denomination which has seriously studied Freemasonry has declared it incompatible with the Gospel – with the exception of the Church of England.
The accuracy of the rituals printed in Darkness Visible was confirmed to the Synod of the Church of England in 1987 by Commander Higham, Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of England.
 
joe_clark said:
The church burned people like marshmallows while they were alive and accused them of being witches, the world was flat and not round, inquisition ect ect. So what?🤷
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Thanks for your support, I was trying to say that just because an organisations members do good does not make that organisation good, just as you say that just because members of an organisation do evil, does not make the organisation evil. Thanks for the support! By the way, it was the Protestants of northern Europe and the US that went in for executing witches not the Church. In fact they executed many, many more innocent old ladies than the inquisition did alleged heretics and without a trial.
 
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