Freemasonry A Evil Group

[workingman]

Roy5;5383333]Yes, I’m aware that various Protestant groups have condemned the Masons, too. That doesn’t impress me much. I guess I’m tired of this group condemning that group etc etc. We need to broaden our minds and be more accepting of those who may differ with us.

Roy, broadening our minds does not mean we should partisipate in something that is condemable. Yes I know you are not a Mason. Tollerance can lead to being complacent and that can lead to other problems if one does not condem evils.

As I said early on, I have no interest in the Masons. They don’t appeal to me for a number of reasons. But to rant and rail against them is silly. They are about as honorable a group as Catholics or Baptists or the Salvation Army. There may be some skeletons in their closet from past history, but Catholics certainly have to be careful not to make that a big issue. At least I don’t know of any Masons who conducted large-scale slaughters directed at ‘heretics’ (e. g., Albigensians, Huguenots, etc.).

They do do some honorable things but their antics this does not mean that should make them a acceptable group. Sins can be forgiven but there must be contrician.

Most CAFers reject the Masonic attitude toward religion, which is non-sectarian. I find that a plus and not a minus. We need more groups which don’t judge and disallow people because they are of other faiths.

So it is ok to pray with others to a false God.

What I do know best about Masons is that they spent millions annually on providing health care and other blessings on those of every faith. I like that. I have a friend whose young son was rushed to one of their burn centers and came home well - and at no charge to his parents! That’s Christianity to me, whatever others may call it.

Yes a very great thing.

As for their secret stuff, college fraternities and sororities indulge in the same thing. No big deal as far as I can see. Just exercising American freedom Lots of those early Masons - Washington, Franklin, Hancock and others - were ‘Founding Fathers’ in our country’s struggle for freedom. Are they to be condemned for their Masonic ties or praised for gaining us the independence we celebrate later this week?

Do other fraternities have horific oaths taken on a holy book. In the Americas that oath is taken on a Bible. That can be blasphomose and heretical. Just a fyi Washington from what I gathered was just a honorary Mason. The person should not be condemed but the actions.

 

[distracted]

Does any one here listen to Relevant Radio. I do and on April 15, 2009 they had a great guest on the Drew Mariani Show. His name I believe is Dr. Mark Miravalle. They mentioned severeal of the dark deeds. This conserns me because I have family in freemasonry. This is a devilish cult. They have one degree where they stomp or break the papal tiara. I will atach a link to it. It is in the first hour of the show and around 20min into it. I have also read that they are trying to infeltrate the Church. I will see if I can find the source for that at some point.

Here is the link for the show.

relevantradio.com/Page.aspx?pid=1230&cid=18&ceid=2864&cerid=0&cdt=4%2f15%2f2009

I was just looking to pass info and get others feed back and or expieriences.

if peple woiuld just trust the Church…

the Church ex-communicates someone who is a Mason… that alone ought to tell us somethig about masonry…

 

[workingman]

if peple woiuld just trust the Church…

the Church ex-communicates someone who is a Mason… that alone ought to tell us somethig about masonry…

That would make many things easy. It seems to be a problem in many areas i.e. contraception, abortion ect… but those are another topic. We as people seem to think to hard on stuff instead and try to be either more liberal or conservative than CC teachings. This seems to be a major problem with in society. People like to think we can always reason better in some areas than the Church especialy as americans we can get the notion it infringes on our freedoms.

I do agree follow the CC teachings. I pray we all can have the strength to do so. I think we should pray for this.

 

[Mike5575]

I don’t think Freemasonry is an evil satanic cult. If you read the beginnings of the Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, it feels like you are reading into the American Revolution. They talk about Freedom and tyranny, the moral decay of society, and how people allow tyrants and despots to take over. Are such ideals as Liberty, democracy, and equality? They may of been Anti-Christian, but not evil.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I don’t think Freemasonry is an evil satanic cult. If you read the beginnings of the Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, it feels like you are reading into the American Revolution. They talk about Freedom and tyranny, the moral decay of society, and how people allow tyrants and despots to take over. Are such ideals as Liberty, democracy, and equality? They may of been Anti-Christian, but not evil.

Very few if anything is and of itself evil. It is the application that makes it evil. God gave man and Angels freewill, good thing, but if we use that free will to be disobedient to God the it is evil. Masonry has taken very fine ideas and has twisted them to an evil institution.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I suspect that many Masons will get to heaven before some pious, ranting Catholic bigots who twist the Christian demand for love into a clarion call to hate.

You suspect incorrectly. The keys to heaven were given by Jesus to the Catholic Church and NOT to the Masons.

Those in mortal sin will NOT enter heaven and the church has declared that Catholics who are masons are in a state of mortal sin.

 

[Brother2]

Wow wow Brothers and Sisters What an interesting Page on this String or Forum whatever you call it…so many views and opinions and many of them I can agree with others not…

Wow, where do I start…first maybe, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and belief and this Forum is wonderful for the airing of same.

We are back to the fragmentation of the Christian Church that I have discussed on other forums here. I feel Satan the arch deceiver is behind a lot of this, someone said and I agree, the devil sowed tares amongst the wheat of the first Church that had became the Roman Catholic Church firstly under the bishop of Rome and then uprated to the Pope…
Bible prophecy talks about 1250 years of problems during the papal supremecy and we have the Dark Ages etc, so God raised up Protesters to try and reform the Church, this did not work or was not allowed and they were excomunicated and or burnt at the stake and new Churches were raised up called the Protestant Churches who were then persecuted for years by the Roman Church and called heretics…
Many did not go further in doctrine than their founders had gone so kind of ‘stagnated’, better are the Movements that continued to purge the tares inherited from the Roman Catholic Church and rediscovering Truths lost from the Early Church, and even discovering more Truth from Scripture which has to be tested and proved of course…

Where human beings are there will always be problems, taking the name of Religion in vain using it as an excuse for intolerance and murder and war, all the work of Satan of course, everyone should have freedom of religion…ha ha even if it means much discussion and debate…

The source of Truth is our Lord Jesus Christ (the answer to Pilate’s question) The Word became Flesh and dwelt among us. The Bible interpretes itself, find all it says on each subject, put them all together and with the help of the Holy Spirit that gives us Truth…ha if only it was so easy huh??

Ah, easy going Protestants and ‘fundamental’ Protestants, mainline Christians and ‘sects’, fragmentation huh?? The most important Truth is that our Lord Jesus the Creator (have to believe in Adam and Eve now!! evolution gives no hope!!) became a Human being and lived amongst His Creation, and shed His Blood for us, and rose from the grave defeating death on our behalf so that we too can rise or be translated at the Second Coming of our Lord!! Everyone has to die, but we can be resurected through our Lord Jesus!!

Much Truth remains in all the Churches which I call The Christian Church and the rest we can just leave in the Hands of our Lord Jesus who is the Rock on which the Church is built and the Leader of…Prophecy being fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled will sort out a lot of the ‘rest’ if we are alive when the last events on planet Earth are acted out, it will be very interesting, I hope I am still alive to go through the Time of Trouble that is to come upon the Earth…AND all the information we have given each other will come in handy because i believe everyone will have to Choose between the Worship of The Creator and the worship of the beast and his image whose author of course is the antichrist, Lucifer the fallen archangel, Satan the arch deceiver!!

Well Brothers and Sisters that is my contribution to this amazing Page, and don’t think I am pushing my own Church, NO, I am only contributing to the discussion and all the points (and any mistakes) are my own…!!

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.

PS. They Keys are still in the Hands of our Lord, human beings could not be trusted with them, with the fragmentation and retention of all the ‘tares’!!

 

[Sir_Knight]

Are you saying that Jesus was an “indian-giver” … giving the Keys to Peter and then taking them back? So me scripturally where this happened?

Additionally, Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. Your comments imply that Jesus lied about that.

 

[GCMac87]

Do other fraternities have horific oaths taken on a holy book. In the Americas that oath is taken on a Bible. That can be blasphomose and heretical. Just a fyi Washington from what I gathered was just a honorary Mason. The person should not be condemed but the actions.

As a college fraternity man, I would like to note that most fraternities (and sororities) have their members take their oaths and/or obligations on a Bible. There are a few groups that don’t, and I’m unaware of what the historically Jewish organizations do with regard to that. Nevertheless, most fraternities and sororities were founded as Christian organizations in some form or another; some of them explicitly so and as such, still require their members to profess their Christian faith. Others often times require a belief in God but not necessarily Christianity, yet they still use expressly Christian rituals and allegories.

In addition to my own organization’s ritual, with which I am well versed, I have been able to view quite a few other rituals and as such, am aware of what those oaths contain. I cannot recall any oaths that refer to bodily harm as the Masonic ritual does, nevertheless, I am interested in how the Catholic Church views organizations such as mine and the countless others on college campuses? I’ve never really broached the subject with my Catholic brothers, our discussions had only ever been about Freemasonry.

Thanks

Additionally, as a point of information, George Washington was a regularly initiated Freemason, not an honorary. He was initiated through the three degrees of Freemasonry in Fredericksburg in 1752 (I think that’s the correct year) and was later the head of a lodge in Alexandria, VA.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Can someone help me with this? I always admired this couple with their grand child on Sundays where I have my coffee. There they were in their Sunday best going to a Congregational church every week rain or shine. I got to know them and they were extremely nice people…until the man told me he was a freemason . I told him I thought that sect was an enemy of the Catholic church and he laughed and said no way. In fact he came on to me as being a wonderful “Christian” family who looked like they could do no wrong. Now that I have confronted him on this, I never saw him again.
Could one go to church and be a freemason? I thought freemason’s blasphemed Christ?

 

[Sir_Knight]

Can someone help me with this? I always admired this couple with their grand child on Sundays where I have my coffee. There they were in their Sunday best going to a Congregational church every week rain or shine. I got to know them and they were extremely nice people…until the man told me he was a freemason . I told him I thought that sect was an enemy of the Catholic church and he laughed and said no way. In fact he came on to me as being a wonderful “Christian” family who looked like they could do no wrong. Now that I have confronted him on this, I never saw him again.
Could one go to church and be a freemason? I thought freemason’s blasphemed Christ?

The Church has officially declared that a Catholic who is a freemason is in a state of mortal sin and therefore, prohibitted from receiving any of the sacraments. A person who does so, further commits the sin of sacrilege.

Nothing baring him from going to Church or to Mass but definitely can not receive Communion while remaining a Mason.

 

[workingman]

As a college fraternity man, I would like to note that most fraternities (and sororities) have their members take their oaths and/or obligations on a Bible. There are a few groups that don’t, and I’m unaware of what the historically Jewish organizations do with regard to that. Nevertheless, most fraternities and sororities were founded as Christian organizations in some form or another; some of them explicitly so and as such, still require their members to profess their Christian faith. Others often times require a belief in God but not necessarily Christianity, yet they still use expressly Christian rituals and allegories.

In addition to my own organization’s ritual, with which I am well versed, I have been able to view quite a few other rituals and as such, am aware of what those oaths contain. I cannot recall any oaths that refer to bodily harm as the Masonic ritual does, nevertheless, I am interested in how the Catholic Church views organizations such as mine and the countless others on college campuses? I’ve never really broached the subject with my Catholic brothers, our discussions had only ever been about Freemasonry.

Thanks

Additionally, as a point of information, George Washington was a regularly initiated Freemason, not an honorary. He was initiated through the three degrees of Freemasonry in Fredericksburg in 1752 (I think that’s the correct year) and was later the head of a lodge in Alexandria, VA.

I could not tell you the CC standing on your fraternities or sorority. The question one must ask them self in the oaths and obligations is can they be considered blasphemy? If the answer is yes then the situation must be corrected. I don’t want to sound like some wingnut that says all fraternities are bad or against CC teaching. All I caution is what one swears to God.

Question for you do you have the source for George Washington’s initiation? I am a former mason who recently renounced it. If it is a masonic source I would question its reliability. Same as one must question the accuracy of some of the none masonic sources.

 

[workingman]

Can someone help me with this? I always admired this couple with their grand child on Sundays where I have my coffee. There they were in their Sunday best going to a Congregational church every week rain or shine. I got to know them and they were extremely nice people…until the man told me he was a freemason . I told him I thought that sect was an enemy of the Catholic church and he laughed and said no way. In fact he came on to me as being a wonderful “Christian” family who looked like they could do no wrong. Now that I have confronted him on this, I never saw him again.
Could one go to church and be a freemason? I thought freemason’s blasphemed Christ?

One can go to church and be a freemason. Most freemason’s will tell you they do not blaspheme Christ as they consider them selves to be Christian. They will tell you when you join that you are fee to search for God in your own way and that they encourage you to do so. This is somewhat reafermed when you during initiation are caused to kneel and attend prayer to your deity. They will never specify what god. Also as a side note ask your self this about the master of the lodge. Each lodge has what is a “Worshipful Master”. What could be worshipful about a sinful person. The rituals and oaths are what become blasphemous.

 

[Will8503]

The Church has officially declared that a Catholic who is a freemason is in a state of mortal sin and therefore, prohibitted from receiving any of the sacraments.

What about the Sacrament of Reconciliation?

 

[Sir_Knight]

The Sacrament of Reconciliation is there to restore our broken relationship caused by mortal sin but in order for the Sacrament to be valid, one must confess all known sins and be sincerely sorry for them and be willing to make amends for them. That would mean that a person would be willing to leave the masons. If that were the case, then a person can receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation. If it is not the case, then the Sacrament would not be valid.

 

[Will8503]

The Sacrament of Reconciliation is there to restore our broken relationship caused by mortal sin but in order for the Sacrament to be valid, one must confess all known sins and be sincerely sorry for them and be willing to make amends for them. That would mean that a person would be willing to leave the masons. If that were the case, then a person can receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation. If it is not the case, then the Sacrament would not be valid.

I agree.

 

[GCMac87]

Question for you do you have the source for George Washington’s initiation? I am a former mason who recently renounced it. If it is a masonic source I would question its reliability. Same as one must question the accuracy of some of the none masonic sources.

Of what I’ve read before, the books of the lodge from the time that Washington was brought through the degrees is still in existence, I’m having trouble finding the information as to where they’re kept though.

Nevertheless, here is the information from the George Washington National Masonic Memorial. It notes that after Washington had become a Master Mason in Fredericksburg through the usual procedure, he was later made an honorary member of a lodge in Alexandria. Perhaps this is why you were under the impression that he was only an honorary.

gwmemorial.org/washington.php

 

[Sir_Knight]

I do not believe that Washington was of the Catholic faith.

 

[GCMac87]

I do not believe that Washington was of the Catholic faith.

Indeed you are right, Washington was an Episcopalian; although I’m not sure why you’re making the statement regarding his faith. No one has stated that he was Catholic, merely that he was a Freemason. I was pointing out that he was a regularly initiated Freemason and not an honorary member. The person that brought up his Masonic affiliation earlier in this thread was, I would imagine, bringing him up to lend credence to their argument that Masons have done great things throughout history.

I am not a Freemason nor am I arguing for or against it, I was simply pointing out the facts surrounding Washington and his Masonic membership.

Hope this clears that up.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Let’s not forget that the bible tells us that Satan comes as an angel of light.

Most people are inherently good. If Satan tried to tempt us to do recognizably bad things, most people would resist but if he sugarcoats it and mixes in some actual good things, it becomes easier to get people to fall for the trap because they see the good aspect of it.

Just as with lies. If you want somebody to believe one of your lies, throw in one of more truths which can be verified along with a lie that can not be verified. In that way, there is a higher chance of the person believing the lie as will because it was mixed in with the truth.

Mix in some evil with a lot of good and you have a better chance that the person will commit the evil with the good.