Freemasonry A Evil Group

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I have never been interested in Freemasonry. It has too much ritual for me, not unlike Catholicism in that regard. I also want to devote my time to other concerns.
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 However, the Free Masons are a fine philanthropic group. In this area they are noted for their outstanding medical care. I believe the Shriners are the ones who underwrite excellent burn centers - at no charge to the patients.

 My Dad was a Mason, and he was a fine man, a devoted Christian who never missed church. He gave generously to all sorts of charities, including Boys Town, which he greatly admired. 

 It may be true that some Masons once were anti-Catholic in Europe, but many parts of Masonry are distinctly Christian. Take, for example, the Knights Templar. That originally was a Catholic group that protected pilgrims going to and from the Holy Land. As I understand it, they fell into disfavor with the church because they also were bankers, became riich, and the church lost control of them. Perhaps the story is more complex than that. I haven't read all the postings on this subject and maybe this has been covered already. 

  I do know that St. John's Day in late June is big with Masons, celebrating St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist. Does that sound like an anti-Catholic group to you? There are other divisions that have religious names, though I can't think of thnem at the moment. As most readers know, Solomon and the temple all play a role in their ritual and such.

  It is true that Masonry in general is open to people of all faiths, depending upon the various subdivisions, of which there are many, many. Frankly, I don't see that as a problem. The USA is open to all faiths and I don't attack my beloved country for that reason. The Scouts, the military and all sorts of groups are non-sectarian, and what is wrong with that? I was initiated into an honorary fraternity in college which had some quite juvenile vows and such, but I never took them that seriously. Nice group of guys.
  
  There have been people who have thought that the Knights of Columbus is a 5th column working for the Vatican and against American democracy, especially separation of church and state. That is a silly charge, also, about as valid as the wild attacks on the Masons.

   There are some really bad groups around, promoting hatred against Black fellow Americans. Some spread lies about our President (he won't salute the flag, he wasn't born in US, he is pro-terrorist, he is a secret Muslim, etc.). Maybe more attention should be focused in those groups and leave the Masons and their good work alone. Around here they get along fine with the K of C. I understand, too, that various lodges have Catholic members and even Catholic officers. Does that mean they are automatically excommunicated?

   God bless Catholics, Protestants and people of every faith and race and condition. People of faith should be building bridges and not barriers.
 
The Church has officially declared that a Catholic who is a freemason is in a state of mortal sin and therefore, prohibitted from receiving any of the sacraments. A person who does so, further commits the sin of sacrilege.

Nothing baring him from going to Church or to Mass but definitely can not receive Communion while remaining a Mason.
Well he is Protestant and probably doesn’t care about receiving Christ since they don’t believe in the Real Presence. I am just shocked and sad. Apparently he knows what he is since I never saw them again…😦 but it’s ok cuz I’m a Catholic and proud of it. 👍
 
wow there are a lot of blind catholics , fanatics in this particular post , thanks to free masons america and other countries became a great nations
 
wow there are a lot of blind catholics , fanatics in this particular post , thanks to free masons america and other countries became a great nations
Really. I don’t see it as blind and fanatics. Sounds like following CC teachings. So masonry is what made this country great. How so? Other than the fact some of the founding fathers were part of masonry and some of the architchtsture is tied to masonry. What did they (masons) do to make this country great.
 
Roy5;5475092]I have never been interested in Freemasonry. It has too much ritual for me, not unlike Catholicism in that regard. I also want to devote my time to other concerns.
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However, the Free Masons are a fine philanthropic group. In this area they are noted for their outstanding medical care. I believe the Shriners are the ones who underwrite excellent burn centers - at no charge to the patients.
Yes their charitable work is finally done. One must consider the overall stance as a group though. I heard something stated that I thinks make sense. It is easier for Satan to tempt if he mixes a plan of evil with a frosting of what appears good. If you saw something sinful would you partake in it knowing it was evil? Most likely not. If what at the core is evil and it looks good though and not as easily recognized as evil one is more apt to go along with it.
My Dad was a Mason, and he was a fine man, a devoted Christian who never missed church. He gave generously to all sorts of charities, including Boys Town, which he greatly admired.
Masonry has many nice, upstanding, charitable members. It is not nec the individual member who is evil/sinful but the group put together as a whole.
It may be true that some Masons once were anti-Catholic in Europe, but many parts of Masonry are distinctly Christian. Take, for example, the Knights Templar. That originally was a Catholic group that protected pilgrims going to and from the Holy Land. As I understand it, they fell into disfavor with the church because they also were bankers, became riich, and the church lost control of them. Perhaps the story is more complex than that. I haven’t read all the postings on this subject and maybe this has been covered already.
The Knights Templar is arguable depending who one speaks with or reads. Borrowing from Christianity in aspects does not make one Christian. Try and make that fly in a masonic temple where the Quan is the book on the altar.
I do know that St. John’s Day in late June is big with Masons, celebrating St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist. Does that sound like an anti-Catholic group to you? There are other divisions that have religious names, though I can’t think of thnem at the moment. As most readers know, Solomon and the temple all play a role in their ritual and such.
They do seem to have a particular like for St John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist. Though I did notice this year a lack of white aprons at mass this year. Satan new that Christ was God does that make him ok?:rolleyes: Once again borrowing from Christianity does not make one’s association Christian. Solomon and his temple are also historical fact.
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t is true that Masonry in general is open to people of all faiths, depending upon the various subdivisions, of which there are many, many. Frankly, I don’t see that as a problem. The USA is open to all faiths and I don’t attack my beloved country for that reason. The Scouts, the military and all sorts of groups are non-sectarian, and what is wrong with that? I was initiated into an honorary fraternity in college which had some quite juvenile vows and such, but I never took them that seriously. Nice group of guys.
It is open to all faiths. When I was part of Masonry one guy took his oaths on a Koran so it is acceptable in lodges to use a book other than the Bible. It is not a problem that other faiths are part of it unless their religion states other wise. Though in lodge it could be a problem when prayer is done. The fact they do not specify deity beyond the “Great Architech of the Univers” does that not raise a eyebrow? Non-sectarian does not bother me so much but the fact a suposed non religious group who prays to a generic deity does. In the service prayer is done by a chaplain in the name of God. At least it was when I was in. Did you swear those vows to God? One must be careful what is sworn to God at the risk of being blasphemous. The people are most of the time generally nice.
There have been people who have thought that the Knights of Columbus is a 5th column working for the Vatican and against American democracy, especially separation of church and state. That is a silly charge, also, about as valid as the wild attacks on the Masons.
Can’t say I have heard that.
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   There are some really bad groups around, promoting hatred against Black fellow Americans. Some spread lies about our President (he won't salute the flag, he wasn't born in US, he is pro-terrorist, he is a secret Muslim, etc.). Maybe more attention should be focused in those groups and leave the Masons and their good work alone. Around here they get along fine with the K of C. I understand, too, that various lodges have Catholic members and even Catholic officers. Does that mean they are automatically excommunicated?
Last I checked the Church does not promote these groups either. Most of those groups are better left for police and military officials. Masonry will not be at least in my opinion brought into the fold of the CC or other Church bodies in any near future. Many Church bodies condemn masonry. Ahhhhhhhhh yes tollerance and good will. They are not nec excommunicated but as stated earlier are in a state of mortal sin and should not be partaking in the Eucharist. They would need to repent with contrition and recant masonry.
God bless Catholics, Protestants and people of every faith and race and condition.
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People of faith should be building bridges and not barriers.
Yes building bridges and not barriers, but that does not mean evil association is to be condoned.
 
Are you saying that Jesus was an “indian-giver” … giving the Keys to Peter and then taking them back? So me scripturally where this happened?

Additionally, Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. Your comments imply that Jesus lied about that.
Hello Sir Knight. Ha Ha I think we have got off the subject a bit, it was just that page I commented on was all about Protestants and Catholics, which made me write a ‘history lesson’, ha 'according to Michael, brother2…

Now before I attempt to answer you question let me say first, I recognize fellow Christians on this Forum, and what I write is not intended to harm you or any Roman Catholic Christian in any way, we are having a discussion and debate, and I present my beliefs as you present yours, we can learn from each other, I have certainly learned since I started on here. This subject is also debated on other Strings, but anyway here we go…

Start with the ‘gates of hell would not prevail against His Church’…absolutely agree with that, the only thing is I don’t believe it only means the Roman Catholic Church, for one it did not even exist then, the early Church was started in Jerusalem not Rome, it was only later that the bishop of Rome took on the mantle of Pope and the Roman Catholic Church came in to existence…I know history is your strong point so you can put me right on ‘details’, but definitely the Early Church was not Roman Catholic…so as I call the Christian Church, made up of Christians from every Denomination, even though churches are ‘fragmented’, Christians still make up God’s Church, The Christian Church, and the ‘gates of hell will not prevail against His Church’!!

Now the more controversial ‘Keys’ and the ‘Rock’ on which the ‘Christian Church’ is built…I say it is unwise to set up a Denomination on one or two verses of Scripture, because the Bible iterprets itself and one can find that the Whole of Scripture does not agree with one or two verses taken out of Context…( Adventist Church is built on the Whole of Scripture and is Christ Centred, even though a ‘misunderstanding’ of Prophecy was made at the beginning).

OK Brother Sir Knight. The verses in question; Matthew 16:17 and 18, are part of a Context beginning at verse 13, ‘Who do men day that I the Son of Man am?’ So my contention is that the Context was all about our Lord and not Peter. For the sake of space; ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven’ (that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God), And I also say to you that you are Peter, (remember no punctuation in original) ‘and on this rock I will build My church…’ could just as well been talking about Himself! Then He charged them not to tell anyone that His is the Christ.

Then Peter 1 Peter2:7,8, talking about our Lord says,‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone…’. 1 Cor. 10:4, ‘…and that Rock was Christ’. 1 Cor. 3:11,
‘For no other foundation can no man lay than is laid, which is Jesus Christ’. Matt. 23:8-10, 'There is one Master, Christ…

Before I run out of space with too many words!! Rev. 1:17-19,’…Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death’. And I say also of heaven. Matt 16:23, ‘Get behind me Satan! Your are an offense to me, for you are not mindful of the things of God but the things of men.’

I can do no harm to the Roman Catholic Church with 2.1 Billion members, especially when all the bad publicity has not dented it…Ha but I can still protest…another verse says, ‘Call no one father on earth because our Father is in heaven’, paraphrased…

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.:cool:
 
Hello Sir Knight. Ha Ha I think we have got off the subject a bit, it was just that page I commented on was all about Protestants and Catholics, which made me write a ‘history lesson’, ha 'according to Michael, brother2…

Now before I attempt to answer you question let me say first, I recognize fellow Christians on this Forum, and what I write is not intended to harm you or any Roman Catholic Christian in any way, we are having a discussion and debate, and I present my beliefs as you present yours, we can learn from each other, I have certainly learned since I started on here. This subject is also debated on other Strings, but anyway here we go…

Start with the ‘gates of hell would not prevail against His Church’…absolutely agree with that, the only thing is I don’t believe it only means the Roman Catholic Church, for one it did not even exist then, the early Church was started in Jerusalem not Rome, it was only later that the bishop of Rome took on the mantle of Pope and the Roman Catholic Church came in to existence…I know history is your strong point so you can put me right on ‘details’, but definitely the Early Church was not Roman Catholic…so as I call the Christian Church, made up of Christians from every Denomination, even though churches are ‘fragmented’, Christians still make up God’s Church, The Christian Church, and the ‘gates of hell will not prevail against His Church’!!

Now the more controversial ‘Keys’ and the ‘Rock’ on which the ‘Christian Church’ is built…I say it is unwise to set up a Denomination on one or two verses of Scripture, because the Bible iterprets itself and one can find that the Whole of Scripture does not agree with one or two verses taken out of Context…( Adventist Church is built on the Whole of Scripture and is Christ Centred, even though a ‘misunderstanding’ of Prophecy was made at the beginning).

OK Brother Sir Knight. The verses in question; Matthew 16:17 and 18, are part of a Context beginning at verse 13, ‘Who do men day that I the Son of Man am?’ So my contention is that the Context was all about our Lord and not Peter. For the sake of space; ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven’ (that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God), And I also say to you that you are Peter, (remember no punctuation in original) ‘and on this rock I will build My church…’ could just as well been talking about Himself! Then He charged them not to tell anyone that His is the Christ.

Then Peter 1 Peter2:7,8, talking about our Lord says,‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone…’. 1 Cor. 10:4, ‘…and that Rock was Christ’. 1 Cor. 3:11,
‘For no other foundation can no man lay than is laid, which is Jesus Christ’. Matt. 23:8-10, 'There is one Master, Christ…

Before I run out of space with too many words!! Rev. 1:17-19,’…Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death’. And I say also of heaven. Matt 16:23, ‘Get behind me Satan! Your are an offense to me, for you are not mindful of the things of God but the things of men.’

I can do no harm to the Roman Catholic Church with 2.1 Billion members, especially when all the bad publicity has not dented it…Ha but I can still protest…another verse says, ‘Call no one father on earth because our Father is in heaven’, paraphrased…

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.:cool:
Your profile states you are LDS. They say the pope is the anti-Christ…need I say more…
 
Your profile states you are LDS. They say the pope is the anti-Christ…need I say more…
LDS?? Best way I have heard yet of getting out of joining in the debate?? Lucifer the fallen archangel, Satan the father of lies, Devil the arch deceiver is the antichrist, but he has many human agents to help in his work.

You know just because you are the biggest denomination…the Bible talks of a Remnant, in the Bible God’s people were the underdogs…being the biggest can be a disadvantage, hardly a Remnant…

However, God has Christians in every denomination, all making up the Christian Church, the One True Church!!

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.
 
freemasonry has already infiltrated the catholic church. Numerous popes were also masons. This is why eastern orthodoxy is the true church b/c anytime an EO leader becomes possessed by satan, the other bishops and lay ppl get rid of him. With the catholic church though, it is not possible to get rid of the pope. Look at how the foundations of xty don’t exist in catholicism: numerous catholic women use birth control. Many homosexuals in the priesthood. catholics voting for liberal politics. Ppl kid themselves that this is all okay, but it is not. They are just too afraid to admit there is a huge problem with roman catholicism.
 
I don’t know anything about the Freemasons that leads me to believe they are evil. I am not a member myself, but I just don’t see all of the demonizing and rumor-mongering as being very helpful.
 
freemasonry has already infiltrated the catholic church. Numerous popes were also masons. This is why eastern orthodoxy is the true church b/c anytime an EO leader becomes possessed by satan, the other bishops and lay ppl get rid of him. With the catholic church though, it is not possible to get rid of the pope. Look at how the foundations of xty don’t exist in catholicism: numerous catholic women use birth control. Many homosexuals in the priesthood. catholics voting for liberal politics. Ppl kid themselves that this is all okay, but it is not. They are just too afraid to admit there is a huge problem with roman catholicism.
Masonry has infultrated alot of things. I am quite sure EO is not exempt either from
  1. Masonrys infaltration
  2. Lay people not following church teachings
  3. Homosexuals in the priesthood. Are you saying they are practicing and not staying celibate.
    Now maby Popes have or have not been masons. Now that is a serious charge especialy considering the CC stance on it. Do you have a source to back up such a alligations?
 
I don’t know anything about the Freemasons that leads me to believe they are evil. I am not a member myself, but I just don’t see all of the demonizing and rumor-mongering as being very helpful.
Don’t let the “good deeds fool ya”. Look at the history of it. Look at multiple Church teachings on it. Look what other denominations say about it. Most will have a letter of some sort about it. Most of it is not rumor’s. This subject usualy gets tossed to the way side as “tollerance” is made to accept things in our everyday lives. If you read the lengthy thread front to back there are many great sources in it that are factual. Research it for your self.
 
freemasonry has already infiltrated the catholic church. Numerous popes were also masons. This is why eastern orthodoxy is the true church b/c anytime an EO leader becomes possessed by satan, the other bishops and lay ppl get rid of him. With the catholic church though, it is not possible to get rid of the pope. Look at how the foundations of xty don’t exist in catholicism: numerous catholic women use birth control. Many homosexuals in the priesthood. catholics voting for liberal politics. Ppl kid themselves that this is all okay, but it is not. They are just too afraid to admit there is a huge problem with roman catholicism.
Please read what the Catholic Church’s teachings are on homosexuality, artificial birth control, and freemasonry. A good source would be the Catechism of the Catholic Church and stuff written by the popes.

What is your source on numerous popes being masons? And which popes were they?
 
Please read what the Catholic Church’s teachings are on homosexuality, artificial birth control, and freemasonry. A good source would be the Catechism of the Catholic Church and stuff written by the popes.

What is your source on numerous popes being masons? And which popes were they?
There were no popes that were masons. There was a rumor, however; that pope Paul II was one, but evidently that proved incorrect.
 
the Orient Freemasons (France, Italy, Spain) allow atheists and have a history of anti-clerical activities.

the Free and Accepted Masons (USA, UK) don’t allow atheists or communists

I feel that because Rome is in Italy, the Orient Masons color the view of the Papacy. Thus I agree with the Church on everything except the death penalty (OK before VII- OK now) and their view of Free and Accepted Masons like Gg. Washington and Herbert Hoover (though the atheistic Orient Masons are bad apples).
 
First of all you are confusing somethings. The Blue Lodge degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason) do not conduct such a degree…it is the AASR Ancient and Accepted Scottish RIte of the Southern Jurisidiction in the U.S. that protrays the 13th degree “Knight Kadosh”. It is in this degree that a bishops mitra is trampled under foot as are National flags and other “Symbols” of what the fraternal order precieves as being “oppressive”. Granted…when I jointed the AASR I was not entirely aware of such a degree and in fact, a family member and brother Catholic/Mason warned me you will likely not like what is going to happen in the thriteenth. He was correct.

I know this becuase I am (was) a free mason and a Scottish Rite Masons, York Rite Masons (Knights Templar) and the Shriners as well as the Order of the Eastern Star inspite of the Catholic Churches conclusions. I have since left the Fraternal orders and plan to become a Knight of Columbus, this week in fact, I do find it odd that the many of the “issues” the Church has with the Masonic bodies are enbraced and embodied in the K of C, Seems as though there is a control issue present here. Though I admitt while I was an active Freemason I was not a very good Catholic and in fact left and joined the Methodist church as a result. I am now back on track and in full communion with the Church.

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Furthermore, I failed to add…this forum posting is in the wrong catagory…Masonry is NOT A RELIGION it is however, an all white fraternal order that requires a man believe in a nonothesitic God and even though I have renownced the group I can not directly tell you that the “G” in the middle of the fratern symbol stands for “God”.
 
Bradleycr;5576269]First of all you are confusing somethings. The Blue Lodge degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason) do not conduct such a degree…it is the AASR Ancient and Accepted Scottish RIte of the Southern Jurisidiction in the U.S. that protrays the 13th degree “Knight Kadosh”. It is in this degree that a bishops mitra is trampled under foot as are National flags and other “Symbols” of what the fraternal order precieves as being “oppressive”. Granted…when I jointed the AASR I was not entirely aware of such a degree and in fact, a family member and brother Catholic/Mason warned me you will likely not like what is going to happen in the thriteenth. He was correct.
You are correct I don’t know who was confusing it if anyone. The Blue Lodge do not conduct a degree like the 13th. It does not change the blasphemes oaths and the allegorical “raising” in the third is also quite blasphemes. The blue lodge on the surface hardly ever appears inconpatibale with the CC.
I know this becuase I am (was) a free mason and a Scottish Rite Masons, York Rite Masons (Knights Templar) and the Shriners as well as the Order of the Eastern Star inspite of the Catholic Churches conclusions. I have since left the Fraternal orders and plan to become a Knight of Columbus, this week in fact, I do find it odd that the many of the “issues” the Church has with the Masonic bodies are enbraced and embodied in the K of C, Seems as though there is a control issue present here. Though I admitt while I was an active Freemason I was not a very good Catholic and in fact left and joined the Methodist church as a result. I am now back on track and in full communion with the Church.
There have been a few ex masons on this board. My self among them. I did not get involved with the Shriners and Eastern Star though. I commend the decision to leave Free Masonry. The K of C from what I understand though was founded by a Catholic Priest. It does contain a lot of simmilarities to the Masonic counterpart. It was also I believe designed to draw Catholic Masons out of the Lodge and back to the Church. I have my self not looked into it much. Congratulations and welcome back home to the CC.
 
Furthermore, I failed to add…this forum posting is in the wrong catagory…Masonry is NOT A RELIGION it is however, an all white fraternal order that requires a man believe in a nonothesitic God and even though I have renownced the group I can not directly tell you that the “G” in the middle of the fratern symbol stands for “God”.
This I beg to differ with you on. Masonry will swear up and down it is not a religion. Yet in the allegorical teachings are Biblical based opening and closing in prayer to “the great archetech of the univers”, funeral rights, the “G” that depending on the level will tell you a different meaning. As much as they deny it they are a religion. A person example my mother confronted my grandfather on what he would like done for his final rites and his only response was give him to the Free Masons they will know what to do. He want know other funeral service except a Masonic one on his way to the great beyond. Tell me how does this not sound like a religion.

I was a Mason and will never be one again. Given what it teaches and swears to. It falls into Occultism. MASONRY IS A FALSE RELIGION. This is my personal opinion so take it for what its worth.
 
Although I might be a new member to this website, I have read this post with great interest.
I must agree that Freemasons are a threat not only to the body but also to the soul.
My older brother in law was a member in a side lodge in Rome. There he was slowly but steadily corrupted and now even refuses to say prayer before dining with the family.
During my studies in the university of Rome i had the pleasure to read some of the older catholic scripts. One in particular struck me with awe, the Malleus maleficarum. In this tomb one is informed on how to discover Satanist sects and demon worshipers. Although it might fringe on the extreme to describe the Freemasons as either, their skillful infiltration of modern society at all levels is a threat to the moral well being of mankind. Their tactics are strikingly similar to those used by heretical cults in the earlier times which often resulted in futile attempts to undermine the Holy Church.

Thus said I, for one believe that the Freemasons should be stopped.

May God be my shield and faith my sword. :highprayer::knight2:

Aduro
 
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