Freemasonry Conspiracies

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Brendan_64 said:
That seems pretty clear cut.
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That’s what I said. I even double-checked it now to be sure. Changing the canon law does not change what is moral, but it may change the Church’s response? (though on doing research, it doesn’t look like it did in this case)

So, since I am ignorant, I went to a canon law’s site.

http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2008/09/25/can-catholics-become-freemasons/

It is interesting that the possibility for joining was opened up in the 1917 Code, though the no lodge of the Masons was able to change to the point acceptable for a Catholic to join without excommunication. In light of this, it seems to me now that the changes in the new code are more a matter of addressing the actual reasons why there is a conflict between freemasonry and Catholicism, rather than name it, allowing for the principle to apply to other organizations, should it be needed, and not to Masons, should they every substantially change to the point there is no longer a conflict.

If there is anyone here that is as ignorant as I am on this, I found a lot of information in this article.
 
I am aware of that. That is why I stated that I resigned. That is why I am no longer a member. I was just stating what I know, which is, they don’t care about Catholicism here in the US. Maybe in Europe, but America they do not. In America, it is a social club with secrets.
 
So you won’t tell me where in the Bible it states to have NO rituals?
 
The Freemasons are loyal to their … organization, even unto death. They mark their tombs and or set aside their dead in their own mausoleums. (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

This goes beyond a simple fraternity.
 
ajg said:
I am aware of that. That is why I stated that I resigned. That is why I am no longer a member. I was just stating what I know, which is, they don’t care about Catholicism here in the US. Maybe in Europe, but America they do not. In America, it is a social club with secrets.
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Get any of the books of John Salza or watch him on youtube and you will see it is not a social club with secrets. It is much more dangerous than that. John Salza is now a prominent Catholic apologist and author but he was a 32th degree freemason. Most who are masons but not deep in do not really know what goes on.
 
'Jeremiah 33:35 -

They have built the high places of Baal in the Valley of Ben-hinnom, there to make their sons and daughters pass through fire in honour of Molech - something I never ordered, for it never entered my thoughts that they would do such detestable things - and so they have led Judah into sin.’
 
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I do not see that forbidding all rituals. Like I said, Knights of Columbus has a ritual and secrets, and JPII said that KofC is a great organization that all Catholic men should join
 
Any ritual outside the Worship and Adoration of God, is ‘idolatry’. There are plenty of uses of that term, throughout the Bible. It is also one of the Ten Commandments, that we are not to put false ‘gods’, before God. People worshipped false ‘gods’ through rituals, and still do, through idolatrous practices.
 
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Not all rituals are a form of worship. I agree that the Freemasons are not compatible with Catholicism. I’m not disputing that. I’m disputing the fallacious reasons I’ve been wading on this thread. I spoke to several priests about it, and they all said the same thing that I posted earlier on the thread
 
I also remember seeing a local TV ad about joining the Masons several months ago. I was really surprised and more than a little unsettled. It really did make them sound like such a great bunch of guys to hang around with and do “good work”.

Since most folks seem to have had a problem finding anything on youtube about Masons recruiting new members, I decided to give it a shot. I found this page full of videos with a mix of “join the Masons”, and, “why you shouldn’t join the Masons”. My search topic was just “TV ad, Join Masons”. As you can easily see, there were many available to view.

Many years ago I did a lot of reading about freemasonry and I can certainly understand why the Church has condemned it so strongly. As others have said, the lower level members are pretty much kept in the dark as to what goes on at the higher levels and are led to believe that it’s just a nice way for guys to get together, bond, do a little “charity work” and get out of the house for a while. But, those at the top levels know the truth and do not share their secrets for fear of retribution by their “fellows”.

Freemasonry is evil. There’s no other way to look at it.
 
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Don’t know if it is a great idea to post links to Freemasonry sites.

I like the last sentence.
 
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It’s not a link to any actual Freemason sites, but to youtube videos of commercials and other videos, both pro and con, about freemasonry. If the mods have a problem with the link being posted, then I have no problem with them removing it. I would apologize for putting it up. If it was directly linking a Freemason website, I would never have posted it.

The bottom line is that it is all evil and should be avoided by anyone that truly believes in God.
 
Yes I know that they incorporate Christian ideas into their meetings. I still don’t understand freemasonry. What do they do? What do they believe in? How can they reconcile relativism with Christianity? What are their goals? Why do you think men become masons?
 
Monica83 said:
What are their goals? Why do you think men become masons?
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I think mostly for the fellowship and the parties, the connections, hanging out with other fellows.

If you saw the Simpsons when Homer led the “Stone Cutters” lodge, that was the motivation of those guys.

As far as freemason conspiracies, well maybe in the 18th Century, and perhaps in Latin America or Europe. But I don’t think so much in modern day America.
 
Augustinian said:
As far as freemason conspiracies, well maybe in the 18th Century, and perhaps in Latin America or Europe. But I don’t think so much in modern day America.
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They are condemned by the Church and Catholics are forbidden to be Freemasons.
 
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