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As I sit here, I must make a confession to all of you. IN my home state of Alabama, we have a history of bad, no, horrible political leadership. Very, very bad. 50 years ago, Birmingham was the largest city in the Southeast. We passed on Ford, Boing, Delta, Budwiser, and other industries. We choose to put all of our eggs in the basket of US Steel. They closed, Atlanta took most of these companies, and now we are small and they are a major player. Not to mention all of the Civil Rights issues that we had, both locally and state-wide. Since we became a state, we have been governed by morons, goof-balls, bigots, and other assorted ne’er-do-wells. They have all had one thing in common: they were almost all FreeMasons.

Perhaps that is part of my issue. When George Wallace stood in the steps to proclaim segregation, he was a Mason. When Bull Connor attacked black children with dogs and hoses, he was a Mason. When the 16th Street Baptist Church was blown up, the suspects were Masons. The idiots who crippled Birmingham over the last 110 years were almost all MAsons (the white ones, anyway). In Alabama, a good number of Masons are in the KKK. I am not sure about the years 1819-1900, but I bet it is not much different.

I guess that I have issues partially because of what my Church says and partially because I have seen almost none of the positive Masonic influence in my state.

I am sorry if my bias is affecting my ability to discuss it. I just thought I should say something.
 
ralphinal said:
As I sit here, I must make a confession to all of you. IN my home state of Alabama, we have a history of bad, no, horrible political leadership. Very, very bad. 50 years ago, Birmingham was the largest city in the Southeast. We passed on Ford, Boing, Delta, Budwiser, and other industries. We choose to put all of our eggs in the basket of US Steel. They closed, Atlanta took most of these companies, and now we are small and they are a major player. Not to mention all of the Civil Rights issues that we had, both locally and state-wide. Since we became a state, we have been governed by morons, goof-balls, bigots, and other assorted ne’er-do-wells. They have all had one thing in common: they were almost all FreeMasons.

Perhaps that is part of my issue. When George Wallace stood in the steps to proclaim segregation, he was a Mason. When Bull Connor attacked black children with dogs and hoses, he was a Mason. When the 16th Street Baptist Church was blown up, the suspects were Masons. The idiots who crippled Birmingham over the last 110 years were almost all MAsons (the white ones, anyway). In Alabama, a good number of Masons are in the KKK. I am not sure about the years 1819-1900, but I bet it is not much different.

I guess that I have issues partially because of what my Church says and partially because I have seen almost none of the positive Masonic influence in my state.

I am sorry if my bias is affecting my ability to discuss it. I just thought I should say something.
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I must admit that I know for a fact that there were never any blacks in the masons in my FIL order, and still to this day are not. And he always made negative comments about blacks. Im not saying i know anything about them being involved with the KKK but you never saw them in the masons up north either. That is just such a awful thing. We are all Gods Children. But it is funny if there are blacks in it now. i bet as far as fifty years ago there never was. I cant say anything about their influence in my state because i dont know, but in my personal life the influence was horrible. They do not like Catholics, if we went somewhere somewhere and some of them were there, they would do their best to get the point across they didnt like Catholics, and hated the Pope.
 
The more I think about it, and I have a lot since I posted that last night, I come to one conclusion: it is the Masonic system that is flawed.

Let’s say that my friends and I start a club. We allow other people to join only with a referal and then the whole group has to vote. More than likely, the only people invited will be others like us. Even then, we will investigate to see if they are like us or not before we vote. It can lead to a very homogenius group (not much diversity). Now, let’s say that a bias against some group enters. Why would you not think that all members allowed in won’t either hold those views on admission or be convenced of them soon enough.

You see this in the American Greek system in colleges and universities. You see this in Masonry. It is one reason some lodges can be great and some full of jerks.

The more exclusive you amke something, the less diverse it will be. God allows all to worship Him. God allows everyone in His Church.
 
Bro. James Hoban, The Irish-Catholic Mason Who Built - then Rebuilt - The White House>
Irish-American James Hoban (1762-1831) was born in County Kilkenny, educated in Dublin, and moved to America around the time of the Revolution. Settling in South Carolina, he became a noted designer of plantation houses. But he earned eternal fame for designing the White House, America’s presidential mansion. His proposed design for the structure was chosen from a number of drawings submitted by other architects, one of which was initially put in charge of its construction. When that designer was said to have been thwarting Bro. Hoban’s plans, Hoban himself was made superintendent of the project. Despite a lack of funding, Bro. Hoban’s efforts permitted President John Adams to occupy the building in 1800 – just nine years after Bro. George Washington had selected the site for the presidential residence. After the War of 1812, when the British had burned the White House, Bro. Hoban’s was called upon to reconstruct it. He ordered it painted white. On 1797 Bro. Hoban was appointed superintendent of the executive buildings to be constructed, including treasury, State and War and Navy Buildings He also designed Blodgett’s Hotel at 8th and E. Streets, N.W. He married Susanna Sewell in 1789 and by her had 10 children. He was a devout Roman Catholic as well as an ardent Freemason , it is not known where he was made. His freedom of action was due to the fact that Roman Catholic Bishop Carroll, stated in a letter dated 1794, that the prohibitory Papal edicts would not be enforced in his diocese. Under Hoban’s leadership, a number of Irish Catholics and Scotch Presbyterians organized Federal Lodge No. 1 in Washington, D.C. of which Bro. Hoban was first Master. That Lodge participated in the laying of the cornerstone of the Capitol by Bro. George Washington. Bro. Hoban was also High Priest of the Royal Arch Chapter in 1799. He was also a captain in the Washington Artillery Company. When the city was incorporated in 1802, he was elected to the City Council where he remained a member until his death on December 8, 1831. His body was interred in the graveyard of St… Patrick’s Church, but because of an ordinance prohibiting burials within the city, the Catholics purchased nearby Fenwick Farms to which his remains were removed along with others. In 1863, his body was exhumed by his grandson and reburied at Mt. Olive Cemetery.
(Source: Freemasonry: A Celebration Of The Craft, and Coil’s Encyclopedia of Masonry)
 
DallasTexas said:
Bro. James Hoban, The Irish-Catholic Mason Who Built - then Rebuilt - The White House>
Irish-American James Hoban (1762-1831) was born in County Kilkenny, educated in Dublin, and moved to America around the time of the Revolution. Settling in South Carolina, he became a noted designer of plantation houses. But he earned eternal fame for designing the White House, America’s presidential mansion. His proposed design for the structure was chosen from a number of drawings submitted by other architects, one of which was initially put in charge of its construction. When that designer was said to have been thwarting Bro. Hoban’s plans, Hoban himself was made superintendent of the project. Despite a lack of funding, Bro. Hoban’s efforts permitted President John Adams to occupy the building in 1800 – just nine years after Bro. George Washington had selected the site for the presidential residence. After the War of 1812, when the British had burned the White House, Bro. Hoban’s was called upon to reconstruct it. He ordered it painted white. On 1797 Bro. Hoban was appointed superintendent of the executive buildings to be constructed, including treasury, State and War and Navy Buildings He also designed Blodgett’s Hotel at 8th and E. Streets, N.W. He married Susanna Sewell in 1789 and by her had 10 children. He was a devout Roman Catholic as well as an ardent Freemason , it is not known where he was made. His freedom of action was due to the fact that Roman Catholic Bishop Carroll, stated in a letter dated 1794, that the prohibitory Papal edicts would not be enforced in his diocese. Under Hoban’s leadership, a number of Irish Catholics and Scotch Presbyterians organized Federal Lodge No. 1 in Washington, D.C. of which Bro. Hoban was first Master. That Lodge participated in the laying of the cornerstone of the Capitol by Bro. George Washington. Bro. Hoban was also High Priest of the Royal Arch Chapter in 1799. He was also a captain in the Washington Artillery Company. When the city was incorporated in 1802, he was elected to the City Council where he remained a member until his death on December 8, 1831. His body was interred in the graveyard of St… Patrick’s Church, but because of an ordinance prohibiting burials within the city, the Catholics purchased nearby Fenwick Farms to which his remains were removed along with others. In 1863, his body was exhumed by his grandson and reburied at Mt. Olive Cemetery.
(Source: Freemasonry: A Celebration Of The Craft, and Coil’s Encyclopedia of Masonry)
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Dallas,

I know that the good Mason list is impressive. No doubt. Many, many important historical figures are on it and that should be recognized. Further, most Masons are normal people living normal lives trying to do what they can to get to heaven. No question. In fact, I think that it is important to note that teh Church has never said that Freemasons are inherently evil or damned.

It is my experience that Freemasonry has failed in Alabama.
 
Due to a similar thread discussing Freemasonry being deleted before by CAF staff, I opened an off-CAF blog.

Below is the address. Please feel free to add your comments.

zorro-thecatholicmason.blogspot.com/

Please realize that it will take me a while to get the hang of the new site–let me know of any problems you encounter.

Thank you,
 
DallasTexas said:
Due to a similar thread discussing Freemasonry being deleted before by CAF staff, I opened an off-CAF blog.

Below is the address. Please feel free to add your comments.

zorro-thecatholicmason.blogspot.com/

Please realize that it will take me a while to get the hang of the new site–let me know of any problems you encounter.

Thank you,
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Hmmmmmmm … “Come into my parlor,” said the spider to the fly.

You are inviting Catholics and others to leave a Catholic site and join you privately as you propose the reasons that lead you to think that taking a mortally sinful action is perfectly fine for you and yours? How very masonic of you.

At the moment, there are FOUR active threads devoted to masonry on the CA site.
 
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catharina:
Hmmmmmmm … “Come into my parlor,” said the spider to the fly.

At the moment, there are FOUR active threads devoted to masonry on the CA site.

Yet you are inviting Catholics and others to leave a Catholic site and join you privately as you propose the reasons that lead you to think that taking a mortally sinful action is perfectly fine for you and yours? How very masonic of you.
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Thank you Catharina,

I always appreciate your opinions.

The referred to blog was opened so that the thread would not get censured/deleted by CAF staff.

My opinion is that some really interesting points were being discussed in the previous thread and that the only conspiracy was the one to quiet that thread.

Sincerely,
 
DallasTexas said:
Thank you Catharina,

I always appreciate your opinions.

The referred to blog was opened so that the thread would not get censured/deleted by CAF staff.

My opinion is that some really interesting points were being discussed in the previous thread and that the only conspiracy was the one to quiet that thread.

Sincerely,
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Remarkable to think that you imagine CA has launched a conspiracy against masons and/or you. That you prefer membership in a men’s club to a life in a state of grace is beyond my powers of reflection. As I said:

“At the moment, there are FOUR active threads devoted to masonry on the CA site.”

You have certainly convinced me that you’re a mason. You’ve not convinced me that you’re a Catholic. (That is, you sound like a mason; you do NOT sound like a Catholic.)

You defend masonry.
You attack and insult Church Teaching.
What do you think?
 
“…]Even when, as stated earlier, there were no explicit obligation to profess relativism as doctrine, nevertheless the relativizing force of such a brotherhood, by its very intrinsic logic, has the capacity to transform the structure of the act of faith in such a radical way as to become unacceptable to a Christian, «to whom his faith is dear» (Leo XIII)…]Precisely by considering all these elements, the Declaration of the Sacred Congregation affirms that membership in Masonic associations «remains forbidden by the Church», and the faithful who enrolls in them «are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion».” (Irreconcilability between Christian faith an Freemasonry, www.Vatican.va, 1985)

Eph. 4:14

"Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be “tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine”, seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one’s own ego and desires.

"We, however, have a different goal: the Son of God, the true man. He is the measure of true humanism. An “adult” faith is not a faith that follows the trends of fashion and the latest novelty; a mature adult faith is deeply rooted in friendship with Christ. It is this friendship that opens us up to all that is good and gives us a criterion by which to distinguish the true from the false, and deceipt from truth.

We must develop this adult faith;

…]On this theme, St Paul offers us as a fundamental formula for Christian existence some beautiful words, in contrast to the continual vicissitudes of those who, like children, are tossed about by the waves: make truth in love. Truth and love coincide in Christ. To the extent that we draw close to Christ, in our own lives too, truth and love are blended. Love without truth would be blind; truth without love would be like “a clanging cymbal” (I Cor 13: 1). "(Homily of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, www.Vatican.va, 2005)

Highly recommended a reading of this entire homily.
 
I am sure like all things you have got your good and got your bad. But there has to be a pretty good reason for it to be forbidden by the Catholic Faith. I think the biggest thing is the secrets. And the oaths. who really knows. But I think that If God did permit it, it would not be told to us by our Pope not to do it. I think that when he tells us what to avoid we should listen, and sometimes like many things in life we just dont aways get an answer we understand. On the other hand if it ever gets overturned there will be a reason for that too. I guess sometimes we just have to be obedient to the Church and Respect the Churchs decision, and except what they do tell us. I really think that on important issues that the Pope is still inspired by the Holy Spirit, even if it isnt scripture. I really believe we have been very blessed with the last 2 Popes, and God is really working thru them. I never thought I would ever be able to love and Admire anyone like the John Paul ll but the more I hear the new one, he gets more and more awesome each day. I like how he tells it like it is, He isnt here to make friends, he is here to do God work…
 
Using politicians to prove anything is bad… you can tell when they are lying: their lips move
 
ralphinal said:
Using politicians to prove anything is bad… you can tell when they are lying: their lips move
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My word of defense: it’s not true of ALL politicians (IMO).
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However many Catholic politicians are pro-choice.
Many Catholic politicians are against social justice.

Along with adherence to masonry, a conclusion is: 
some Catholic politicians choose to embrace serious sin.
 
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