French church attacked during Mass, priest murdered [CC]

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Darryl1958 said:
Funny that nobody saw any of this coming.
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The minority of people who saw this coming sounded plenty of alarms and were largely ignored. Hopefully the politically correct will now understand that it is difficult to be politically correct and fight for social justice if they are dead.

Given all that is obvious…in what manner must a Christian fight for social justice?

This is a difficult question for most to answer.

What does Jesus say?
 
jediliz said:
I meant the people at Mass. Now I can understand why people want to be able to conceal carry.

I would hate for armed security to have to be brought in…but with the world the way it is, they may have to be…
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Priests are not permitted to own guns.
Our Archbishop has forbidden us to bring any guns to any Archdiocesan property.
ESPECIALLY the Parishes.
 
pianistclare said:
Priests are not permitted to own guns.
Our Archbishop has forbidden us to bring any guns to any Archdiocesan property.
ESPECIALLY the Parishes.
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A young priest was killed last year in Arizona by a man who they thought needed help…the pastor owned a gun…but it was too late when he retrieved it. 😦
 
jediliz said:
A young priest was killed last year in Arizona by a man who they thought needed help…the pastor owned a gun…but it was too late when he retrieved it. 😦
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Maybe that’s why our Archbishop instituted this.
 
pianistclare said:
Priests are not permitted to own guns.
Our Archbishop has forbidden us to bring any guns to any Archdiocesan property.
ESPECIALLY the Parishes.
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Nothing like advertising you have an unarmed target rich environment. Almost seems the opposite of what a shepherd would do.
 
meltzerboy said:
“Oneness of culture and belief” sounds too boring to me. I think mutual respect, appreciation and knowledge of diverse cultures is key to peace.
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meltzerboy said:
Apart from what sounded to you as die-versity, are these words uttered by Bernie Sanders not true with regard to the brotherhood of humanity in the U.S.? Is this not something we should want to strive for?
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I think that mutual respect, etc., is a worthy goal. How do we accomplish that wrt people who utterly reject mutual respect in favor of forced conversion? It’s all well and good to say we should respect each other’s beliefs, but when those beliefs include killing priests at Mass, then, no, no respect is due.
 
St_Francis said:
I think that mutual respect, etc., is a worthy goal. How do we accomplish that wrt people who utterly reject mutual respect in favor of forced conversion? It’s all well and good to say we should respect each other’s beliefs, but when those beliefs include killing priests at Mass, then, no, no respect is due.
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You’re talking about terrorists and murderers but I’m talking about mutual respect between law-abiding citizens of the U.S. who come from a variety of (cultural) backgrounds. This is what Bernie Sanders stated and I think it is a worthy goal, don’t you?
 
meltzerboy said:
You’re talking about terrorists and murderers but I’m talking about mutual respect between law-abiding citizens of the U.S. who come from a variety of (cultural) backgrounds. This is what Bernie Sanders stated and I think it is a worthy goal, don’t you?
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That is a worthy goal in any legitimate multicultural (especially in the sense that the US is increasingly as such) society. 👍
 
Tomdstone said:
In some eastern states there were neighborhoods of Irish, neighborhoods of Italians, neighborhoods of Jews, neighborhoods of Polish, neighborhoods of African Americans, etc.
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But as time went on the descendants thereof became simply Americans with special foods, etc.

The “new diversity” rejects that sort of unity.

ICXC NIKA
 
Rip to Rev. Jacques Hamel. Hamel is a martyr.

Let me also add something very important. I believe , scratch that…I know God is watching to see how us Christians react to this story. I will say I wonder what this dead Priest would want us to say to the killer, maybe forgive the killer?

What I also know is that ISIL and AQ want people like me to abhor Islam and all Muslims. And I refuse to give into ISILs division. I stand by the Syrian and Iraqi Muslims/Christians who are united against ISIL.
 
Obviously, there is no justification for the brutal killing of this priest, who was friendly to a Muslim imam. But at the same time, it should be asked why ISIS started and why was there no ISIS before the US invasion of Iraq? There was a militant group Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad founded in 1999, but it wasn’t until after the 2003 American invasion of Iraq that this group joined with other disaffected Sunnis to engage in bombings and suicide attacks on a larger scale.
Also, what was the point of letting thousands of unvetted immigrants, some of whom had ties to terrorists, enter Europe via open borders? Why is Merkel still in power?
 
meltzerboy said:
How about one overarching and unifying culture and diverse subcultures? In the case of the U.S., that is what we seem to have, and look how peaceful we are. Oops! Never mind. But my point remains regarding mutual respect and awareness.
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There is a unifying culture all over the world already, but unfortunately it is popular culture: consumerism, controlled by moneyed and socialist interests. Pop music, frivolous games are everywhere; making money is a universal cherished goal. Materialism has to be in direct opposition to religion because it is about selling products, rather than personal enlightenment. .

The former melting pot mentality of absorbing immigrants into the US demanded proficiency in English and pledge of allegiance. Underlying all this was a tacit acceptance of Judeo-Christian values at its basis. Sorry, but anything else, in particular, Sharia, is in direct opposition to them. Europe didn’t want to be proud of its culture and heritage, thought it is not important anymore and so now, is reaping the whirlwind.

Some Brits finally got the message and have the courage to admit publicly that England is a Christian country. But they may be too small a minority to have any affect. Europe is totally confused. With the destruction of the family, the last bastion of freedom and preservation of values, thanks to the acceptance of same-sex marriage and just about any other arrangement calling itself “family”, mixed in with abortion and euthanasia, totally against Church teaching and Orthodox Judaism, the pillars of this particular civilization have been pulverized.

The point is if there were some real opposition or push back, people understanding the need and importance for preserving their identity and culture, so much of radical Islam would have not felt so brazen and empowered.
 
Tomdstone said:
Obviously, there is no justification for the brutal killing of this priest, who was friendly to a Muslim imam. But at the same time, it should be asked why ISIS started and why was there no ISIS before the US invasion of Iraq? There was a militant group Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad founded in 1999, but it wasn’t until after the 2003 American invasion of Iraq that this group joined with other disaffected Sunnis to engage in bombings and suicide attacks on a larger scale.
Also, what was the point of letting thousands of unvetted immigrants, some of whom had ties to terrorists, enter Europe via open borders? Why is Merkel still in power?
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I would say the USA should have never invaded Iraq. Prior to Iraq as well as other Arab countries such as Libya undergoing a regime change…there was far more peace and stability in the Mena region. I feel bad for the Euro folks who have been attacked by illegal immigrants, but I also feel bad for the Iraqi, Syrian and Libyan people who every single hour of every day have to worry about ISIL. In the 1980s Afghanistan was communist, Iraq and Syria were much better off. But once the 1990s came about, things started to get ugly in some of the Muslim majority countries…it seems it started with the fall of communist Afghanistan and got worse when Iraq fell in 2003 and then again got worse when Gaddifi fell in Libya a few years back.

Syria has held on though. Brave heroic Syrian gov Christian and Muslim soldiers have remained in their countries to prevent ISIL from completely taking Syria. I would recommend working with the Syrian gov which is supported by numerous Christian leaders inside and outside of Syrian.
 
St_Francis said:
I think that mutual respect, etc., is a worthy goal. How do we accomplish that wrt people who utterly reject mutual respect in favor of forced conversion? It’s all well and good to say we should respect each other’s beliefs, but when those beliefs include killing priests at Mass, then, no, no respect is due.
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Pope Benedict XVI talked about mutual respect in terms of reciprocity.
One-sided apology tours are not the way to go. When it comes to the relationship with God, well then, what does he have to apologize for, but every other group of people need to understand that nobody walks through this life without leaving footprints. Even myths about Mary walking through her childhood without her feet touching the ground are not scripture, but just myths.

It is good that Ben’s predecessor, St. Jon Paul II gave the apology on behalf of all Catholics to those of other faith traditions that Catholics have stepped on along the way. Initiating discussion through repentance is a very Catholic tradition.

But it is not as if Catholics also do not have tread marks all over their backs too in this long history between ourselves and other religionists. Mutual respect includes self-respect, and that means not making oneself into a doormat.

Catholic immigration policy is based on reciprocity. It involves not only being gracious hosts, but includes the expectation of gracious guests as well.

Love is a relationship. If it is not a two way street, than it isn’t love.

Unfortunately, the left has so poisoned our culture that when guests state unequivocally that they have no intention of respecting the culture of their hosts, the West ‘reciprocates’ by self-loathing and agreeing that there is nothing worthwhile in our culture to respect.
And the religious right often echoes that statement from the other direction.

Hey hey ho ho western civ has got to go…

going… going…
 
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