Friend is always late and most important late to mass

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I have a dear friend that is ALWAYS late. I have been able to maintain a good friendship with her for about 6 years. I learned early on, NOT to depend on her for anything important and just arrange dates and tell her to show at at the place designated without it impacting get togethers. I don’t get rides from her as she would be late and so far is has worked ok. However, I am frequently asked to give her children a ride to school after mass. She usually will drop the kids off at the church. After a few times of being late, I immediately asked her to please out of respect for Our Lord, she needed to drop the kids off on time. She “promised” she would do better, etc. I even asked her to drop the kids off after mass (at least they wouldn’t be disruptive) We go to daily mass and this is a very small chapel, so that when you come in, the door squeaks. Anyhow, I have already told her how disrespectful her behavior is, but it is fallen into deaf ears. Any tips on how I can handle this in a compassionate manner besides praying for her and the family:confused:???
 
Simply tell her that if she does not arrive on time she will have to make other arrangements for her children’s transportation as you will not accommodate her lateness any longer.

This is irresponsible and rude, and it is within her control. In fact, it is a control issue-- her controling others around her by her behavior.

I had a similar type of “friend” who was always late. This was in high school and I would pick her up to go to school. I like to arrive early, not be running in at the last minute. Therefore I told her the time I would arrive at her house. She was frequently not ready-- like not dressed, curlers in her hair, unable to find one shoe, etc. So, one day I simply left and went to school without her.

She was never late again.
 
This is irresponsible and rude, and it is within her control. In fact, it is a control issue-- her controling others around her by her behavior.
I have also read that being late is a form of passive aggressive behavior.

I can only speak for myself…I am late so often for so many things…I plan… plan … plan… .prepare… prepare… prepare… I have rules for me and the family so we will be prepared and on time… then something comes up and… I’m late.

(I have the knowledge and desire for timeliness, yet fall short.)

I especially am aware of my friends who are very punctual and I try even harder to make sure I don’t arrive a minute late, or 5 minutes late, or 10 minutes late when meeting them. I am so up tight trying so hard to make sure I have plenty of time…

I review what made me late, so as to improve… stress builds up just thinking how hard I try… and how hard it is to hear others talk about lateness being irresponsible and rude. This is the hardest part of being late… when I know someone will see my lateness as disrespect to them.

I wish our family was always on time… time to spare… I fall short… often.
 
We’ve all been late before. I mean, life happens. Drinks get spilled, or diapers get full, or shoelaces break or cars don’t start or Mr. Bear can’t be found anywhere. Life happens. But to be late with consistency, on an every day basis, that is entirely within someone’s control. We can say it is outside of our control all we want, but that simply is not the case. It is in our control to be on time under normal circumstances, and it IS a sign of disrespect to always be late. Everybody’s time and feelings are valuable, and need to be treated that way.

I would try talking to your friend again. If the problem continues, then I would gently but firmly let her know that you will no longer help her unless she drops the kids off after Mass. A Daily Mass is not a very time consuming thing. We’re looking at 30 minutes, tops. Maybe it would be helpful to her to have that extra 20 or 30 minutes to get the kids ready in the morning.
 
Assuming she wouldn’t drop off the kids without making sure you were present… I’d simply leave at the time I said I would leave, with or without her kids.

I will go out of my way for a friend who is normally punctual, assuming something important came up like a flat tire or a medical issue. But for those who are chronically late friends, they quickly learn that there is no “window of forgiveness” for me. When I say, "sure, I’d be happy to help out but I’m leaving at 5 p.m., I mean 5 p.m.

The only time I break that rule is if it will hurt the kids.I have taken kids home with me, fed them and got them things to play or do when a friend of mine just never showed up to pick them up after catechism. But I only had to do it once.And I never let on to the kids how irritated I was (but I was REALLY irritated).
 
I have a dear friend that is ALWAYS late. I have been able to maintain a good friendship with her for about 6 years. I learned early on, NOT to depend on her for anything important and just arrange dates and tell her to show at at the place designated without it impacting get togethers. I don’t get rides from her as she would be late and so far is has worked ok. However, I am frequently asked to give her children a ride to school after mass. She usually will drop the kids off at the church. After a few times of being late, I immediately asked her to please out of respect for Our Lord, she needed to drop the kids off on time. She “promised” she would do better, etc. I even asked her to drop the kids off after mass (at least they wouldn’t be disruptive) We go to daily mass and this is a very small chapel, so that when you come in, the door squeaks. Anyhow, I have already told her how disrespectful her behavior is, but it is fallen into deaf ears. Any tips on how I can handle this in a compassionate manner besides praying for her and the family:confused:???
You may have to tell her to make other arrangements, especially if she continues to be late. Could it be cultural? I worked and lived in Italy for a month, and it was very normal for people to just be late for everything. We were warned about it beforehand. Trains and buses were always late, stores would open late, people would never show up at the time they said they would be there. We’d be asked to show up for rehearsals at a certain time and sometimes our conductor would be an hour or two late. We just had to expect and accept that we were never going to start at the time stated. Fortunately, our stage director was American, so we just worked on staging while we waited. Although I loved Italy, it was difficult getting used to that particular aspect of the culture, coming from a culture that values punctuality.

I also grew up with it. My mother’s side, including my mother, is late for almost everything. It has nothing to do with passive aggressive behaviour or controlling issues. I believe in that regard it’s cultural because everyone I know from my mother’s culture (unless they are completely “Americanized”) is late. The joke is that if you want any of them to show up on time, you tell them to arrive three hours earlier. It drove me nuts growing up with that, as my father’s side is very punctual… coming from an extreme German-Protestant work ethic and punctuality. Imagine the opposites from my mother and father. It was the one thing my father almost broke up with my mother over when they were dating, but her positive and wonderful attributes completely outweighed her tardiness. Her lateness with almost everything has made my sister and I paranoid about being late to the point that I’m teased about feeling late if I’m 15 min. to a half hour early and my sister being teased that she feels late if she is an hour and a half early (she actually drives me nuts with that. lol!) My mother has tried very hard to be better with timing. Sometimes she’s good with it. Other times she fails. It was a lot worse when we were kids and she many more stresses and responsibilities in life. Now, she is learning to not be as overwhelmed and is better at being on time… she’s not even late for mass anymore. But work will now keep her late. My dad often has to drag her out of the office. She’s always trying to help out my father’s patients with insurance issues and doesn’t want to stop until she can get it squared away for them so that they can get coverage for certain procedures at the hospital or other offices. I always show up an hour later than when she tells me to come pick her up so that I don’t have to wait around at the office for an hour.

That all said, now that I have children, it is sometimes very, very difficult being on time. When I didn’t have children it was easy to say how rude some people were when they were late and that having children was no excuse. Boy, did I eat my words and I regret being judgmental about it. I try to plan to be ahead of the game, sometimes hours and hours earlier than needed but sometimes, even if you prepare and plan, something almost always happens. Someone throws up on you and himself, the baby has a poop explosion and needs a bath, while you also have to change your church/work clothes because the poop got all over you, the dog decides to get out of the yard and you have to find her, another decides to take off all of her clothes while you are trying to change the other one’s diaper, one decides to have a meltdown right before you leave, the dog gets into the trash or decides to chew on your daughter’s favorite toy or the dress shoes you were planning to wear to church, etc. etc. etc.

You don’t have break your friendship with this person, especially if she has other wonderful qualities and this is one of her weaknesses. If punctuality isn’t her thing and it really bothers you how late she is when dropping off her children, especially after having a heart to heart with her, then either smile and accept it or just say you can’t be available to watch the children. I wish I had more advice for you.

Edit - I do have one bit of advice… if she is usually a half hour late and you used to have her arrive at a time like 9:00 a.m., tell her that your schedule has changed and you need the children there at 8:30. She’ll then have the kids at 9:00. Just don’t tell her your reasons for the time change.
 
There’s not much you can do. Continue being her friend. Continue giving her kids rides to school even if they’re dropped off late at Mass. Pray for her. Love her. Don’t nag or scold. It bothers you but it might not bother God as much. Take yourself out of it. Be a good example.

If you have to be somewhere and she doesn’t arrive on time, then you can and should leave without her or her kids. But otherwise, just accept that she is the way she is. Acceptance is much easier to cope with than anger, resentment, and frustration.
 
I agree about verbalizing a departure time and sticking to it. You could even text her and say, “Leaving in 5 minutes” as a reminder.

As long as you continue to wait, you’re enabling her.

Just my .02!
 
Great thread OP. So as someone who is habitually late everywhere I go please know I basically never intend to be late. Thats not an excuse but an intent. Basically im “in my head” “spacy”, “reserved.” There are a million terms for it but its a temparament thing for me, not a disrespect thing. However that doesnt make it excusable. What it does mean is that a firm accountability is helpful. I think leaving as said above would be appropriate or at least stating “Im sorry but I cant wait I wont make myself late for mass” would be entirely acceptable. But also please keep it factual and non judgemental. Ive had friends who make a VERY large point about me showing up 15 mins late… the difference is I DONT make a point about how they gossip, change plans last minute, and are constantly doing disrespectful things towards others. I think every personality has good and bad with it and dont we all need a little external help on occassion 👍
 
Your friend obviously has some scheduling issues or you would not be taking her kids to school, she would be doing this. You volunteered to help out (great!).

You “frequently” give her kids a ride to school, and she “usually drops the kids off at Mass.”

Would it help if you picked up the kids before Mass? From your description, it seems your friend is not attending daily Mass but comes to the church because she has to get the children to you for their ride to school.
 
I had a friend like this in university. I used to save his butt with notes, tell him of new assignments that weren’t on the syllabus etc etc etc. Eventually I got fed up with him and quit it. He didn’t graduate with my class. In fact, it was another 2 years before he managed to finish all his required courses. Our whole class was fed up with him.
 
I had a friend like this in university. I used to save his butt with notes, tell him of new assignments that weren’t on the syllabus etc etc etc. Eventually I got fed up with him and quit it. He didn’t graduate with my class. In fact, it was another 2 years before he managed to finish all his required courses. Our whole class was fed up with him.
Being late is different than not taking responsibility for one’s self or one’s family.

I find myself running late, but take very good responsibility for myself and my family’s needs or needs of someone else whom I am helping.
 
Being late is different than not taking responsibility for one’s self or one’s family.

I find myself running late, but take very good responsibility for myself and my family’s needs or needs of someone else whom I am helping.
It’s different to be late on occasion and know it, but he did not, in fact he thought it was great to “make an entrance”. He was not being responsible with his parents’ money in not going to class and assuming that the rest of us would pick up his slack…eventually we did not. The fact that it took him 6 years to do a 4 year degree says something about his level of responsibility. He didn’t take courses he couldn’t handle, he just didn’t do what was required.

It was merely a different example of the same thing. He expected his friends to cover for him when he was late.
 
I have a dear friend that is ALWAYS late. I have been able to maintain a good friendship with her for about 6 years. I learned early on, NOT to depend on her for anything important and just arrange dates and tell her to show at at the place designated without it impacting get togethers. I don’t get rides from her as she would be late and so far is has worked ok. However, I am frequently asked to give her children a ride to school after mass. She usually will drop the kids off at the church. After a few times of being late, I immediately asked her to please out of respect for Our Lord, she needed to drop the kids off on time. She “promised” she would do better, etc. I even asked her to drop the kids off after mass (at least they wouldn’t be disruptive) We go to daily mass and this is a very small chapel, so that when you come in, the door squeaks. Anyhow, I have already told her how disrespectful her behavior is, but it is fallen into deaf ears. Any tips on how I can handle this in a compassionate manner besides praying for her and the family:confused:???
Why not ask to have the squeaky door fixed? That would be compassionate for all concerned. One might think that having a squeaky door in a chapel is a passive-aggressive way to keep tardy people away from daily Mass.

While being late isn’t desirable, she’s getting her children to daily Mass! How wonderful! Why try to keep them away? Maybe from her perspective she IS doing better. Five minutes late is better than fifteen minutes late–and three minutes late is better than five minutes late. You may just see “late” while our Lord sees something beautiful.

“But Jesus called for them, saying, ‘Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.’” Luke 18:16
 
I have a dear friend that is ALWAYS late. I have been able to maintain a good friendship with her for about 6 years. I learned early on, NOT to depend on her for anything important and just arrange dates and tell her to show at at the place designated without it impacting get togethers. I don’t get rides from her as she would be late and so far is has worked ok. However, I am frequently asked to give her children a ride to school after mass. She usually will drop the kids off at the church. After a few times of being late, I immediately asked her to please out of respect for Our Lord, she needed to drop the kids off on time. She “promised” she would do better, etc. I even asked her to drop the kids off after mass (at least they wouldn’t be disruptive) We go to daily mass and this is a very small chapel, so that when you come in, the door squeaks. Anyhow, I have already told her how disrespectful her behavior is, but it is fallen into deaf ears. Any tips on how I can handle this in a compassionate manner besides praying for her and the family:confused:???
You have one of those friend as well huh? 😛 There is not much one can really do. I have been friends with my “late friend” for over 8 yrs and I simply learned to accept that I cannot change anyone. I can pray and pray for him but I can do nothing. My friend attends Mass with me and often walks in late. If we plan on a guys night he shows up usually 20 to 30 minutes late. lol

All we can do is pray and keep reminding them of what time it starts lol
 
I have a friend just like this and have dealt with this problem before. She is always at least an half an hour late for everything, but has been up to three hours late to things. We used to tell her the thing started an hour earlier than it actually did and eventually she figured it out and started showing up late again. I told the friends this obviously wasn’t working, so we told her that she needed to be on time or we would start/leave without her. At first she still showed up late, but eventually when she got left behind a few times she magically she started showing up on time or only a few minutes late.
 
Why not ask to have the squeaky door fixed? That would be compassionate for all concerned. One might think that having a squeaky door in a chapel is a passive-aggressive way to keep tardy people away from daily Mass.

While being late isn’t desirable, she’s getting her children to daily Mass! How wonderful! Why try to keep them away? Maybe from her perspective she IS doing better. Five minutes late is better than fifteen minutes late–and three minutes late is better than five minutes late. You may just see “late” while our Lord sees something beautiful.

“But Jesus called for them, saying, ‘Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.’” Luke 18:16
I agree with this and all the posts sympathizing with your friend. Everyday she fails to get her kids to Mass on time but she keeps on trying! What a role model for all of us trying to kick habitual sin. I hate hate hate being late for things, and am almost always on time but I sympathize with late-comers because I am usually 30 seconds from being one of them. Honestly, if this is the biggest fault you can find in her, she sounds like a good person. Some people plan for extra time, but just fall short in this particular area of managing life. If the door squeaks at Mass, it’s a good opportunity for charity on the part of the other Mass-goers. I understand where it’s easy to be irritated, but can you try looking at it with a bit of humor?
 
Thank you all for the wonderful responses 🙂 I forgot to mention that she gets the kids to mass sometimes right before communion as so it’s not 5-10 minutes. It is definitely a cultural thing and it has affected her job and most areas of her life. I will continue my prayers for the family and during this lent, I will be offering a sacrifice for her to teach her children the importance of our Holy Mass! In the meantime, I will try to see my own sinfulness as well, when I start to get upset about the tardiness.

Blessings to all,
 
Thank you all for the wonderful responses 🙂 I forgot to mention that she gets the kids to mass sometimes right before communion as so it’s not 5-10 minutes. It is definitely a cultural thing and it has affected her job and most areas of her life. I will continue my prayers for the family and during this lent, I will be offering a sacrifice for her to teach her children the importance of our Holy Mass! In the meantime, I will try to see my own sinfulness as well, when I start to get upset about the tardiness.

Blessings to all,
If it is cultural, yes, definitely please keep her and her family in your prayers and just do the best you can to be patient and to help her. Believe me, having grown up with this with a mother like that (although she is good at getting to work on time… but then again, she has to drive with my Dad, so she has no choice. lol!) it’s not purposeful and it’s so ingrained, it’s hard to break. My mother is one of the most generous, loving and kind-hearted women I know. Her tardiness was/is a weakness and it has taken many years to get her better than what she was like when she first came to this country.

God bless! 🙂
 
Wait, so you are not actually delayed by your friend’s lateness, OP? You just think it is disrespectful? I agree with gardens, fix the door. I do not see how you can leave her kids behind if it does not acually affect your leaving after Mass; that, to me, is between her & God. You have apparently charitably mentioned it to her, so you have done what you reasonably can, it seems to me. Since you are OK with her dropping the kids after Mass (which, it seems to me, would not work, since she would be late for that drop-off), what difference does it make to the issue of you taking them to school if they arrive after Mass starts.

I am pretty sure the Catholic Christians in Iraq, Nigeria, etc., would not see a squeaky door as an insurmountable obstacle to overcome.
 
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