Friend is angry about grandson's first communion

[Brendan]

patg:

For a good reason?

So Jesus laid down the formula, did he? He also said the magic words to actually perform the consecration in Aramic NOT in English. How do we know the exact words aren’t at least as sacred as the exact recipe (which we really don’t know)? He also only gave the consecrated items to men - how is women can receive them? He also said “This is my body” for the bread and “This is my blood” for the wine - notice he didn’t say This is my body and blood" for either of them.

Because the Apostles that He taught this to did so. They said the words in Greek, they gave communion to women.

But they did NOT use rice ‘bread’.

So the Church cannot honestly say that she knows for certain rice ‘bread’ would truely be the Real Presence.

If a priest used rice grain and said the Eucharist Prayer, and offered it to a Catholic saying “Body of Christ”, the only truthful response would be “Maybe??”

And what is wrong with recieving Christ from the Chalice?

The only difference between the contents of the ciborium and the chalice is how it appears to earthy eyes.

 

[Eden]

I think this issue is indicative of the larger “victimhood mentality” that is invading our culture. So few people these days accept these kinds of inconveniences as “a cross to bear”. What is this woman teaching her grandchild? I’m sure he would not be concerned about just receiving the wine if the adults in his life would stop making such a big deal out of nothing. Which just goes back to prove that the people who are making this an issue have an ax to grind already.

 

[patg]

Eden:

I’m sure he would not be concerned about just receiving the wine if the adults in his life would stop making such a big deal out of nothing.

Since my wife and children were diagnosed with this life-changing and life-threatening disease which makes everything you do radically different, **I’ve noticed that it’s never a big deal to those who are unaffected by it. **

I’m sure you mean well with your “kind” suggestions but please save the arrogance for something you aren’t ignorant of.

Apologies in advance.

 

[porthos11]

Doesn’t the statement “The Church Sez So” mean anything to anyone anymore?

 

[Brendan]

patg:

Since my wife and children were diagnosed with this life-changing and life-threatening disease which makes everything you do radically different, **I’ve noticed that it’s never a big deal to those who are unaffected by it. **

I’m sure you mean well with your “kind” suggestions but please save the arrogance for something you aren’t ignorant of.

Apologies in advance.

Pat,

Could it be that Christ istituted this Sacrament in two species, so that people such as your wife could partake of this Sacrament.

Why critize the distribution of Christ’s gift, just because it isn’t in the form you want.

 

[djrakowski]

Brendan:

Why critize the distribution of Christ’s gift, just because it isn’t in the form you want.

Brendan, when I explained it in exactly this way to my friend, she rejected it. She basically wants her grandson to have the sacrament in a way that looks like everyone else. There’s no convincing her that there are safe alternatives.

 

[legeorge]

Perhaps choosing to embrace this cross as Jesus taught us would help. This disease may be used as a means for grace. It seems to me that it is all in how you look at it. If you view it as a cross that can be borne for a greater purpose, it gives a whole new meaning to the situation. No one is belittling the challenges of living with this disease. I know it is a terrible burden to bear. It’s just not the Church’s fault, and there **is ** more than one way to accept the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Accept the challenge, and use it for the greater glory of God. Of course, this would entail dying to self, and our own wishes and desires, and this is a very difficult thing, no matter what issue we are dealing with.

 

[palmas85]

djrakowski:

Brendan, when I explained it in exactly this way to my friend, she rejected it. She basically wants her grandson to have the sacrament in a way that looks like everyone else. There’s no convincing her that there are safe alternatives.

Then obviously there is more to her obstinance than meets the eye.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Seems to ME, that I would have been grateful to have been able to receive first Holy Communion at all… by the Church allowing it in the “liquid” form… with His Precious Blood.

What a great gift!!

Instead someone wants the Church to change a 2000 year old teaching and tradition to accommodate someone’s individual preferences. They prefer NOT receive the Precious Blood and instead want the traditional Passover bread to be made of a food substance not found in the Holy Land.

I feel bad for the child who is being manipulated.

 

[djrakowski]

Al Masetti:

I feel bad for the child who is being manipulated.

You have no idea…

 

[gardenswithkids]

djrakowski:

She basically wants her grandson to have the sacrament in a way that looks like everyone else. There’s no convincing her that there are safe alternatives.

I hope this doesn’t come across as unkind, but I find it interesting that she’s more willing to follow the doctor’s advise than the Church’s. The Church requires that there be at least a small amount of wheat in the matter used for the host, and if this presents a problem for her grandson then he can still recieve the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus by partaking of the cup alone. Yet, she seems to be saying that Jesus in the cup alone isn’t good enough for her grandson. God did not apparently design her grandson like everyone else, so is she angry at the Church or God?

 

[JimG]

From the Church’s viewpoint, the question is not whether or not the use of something other than bread for the Eucharist might or might not be licit. It is whether it would be valid. That is, in order to be a valid sacrament, there must be valid matter. For the Eucharist, that is bread and wine. Without valid matter, there is no sacrament.

It would be of little use to win a point in being able to receive consecrated rice cakes when, due to the invalid matter, the recipient would thus receive only rice, and not the body of Christ.

 

[Adam_S]

patg:

I’ll admit to just being just a little obstinate here but I’m doing so to express a point - are the details of the ritual more important than purpose and expression of the ritual?

They are if they affect the validity. If you change the ingredients and as a result they dont become the body and blood of christ, id say thats pretty important dont you?

Also, i suggest you do some reading on the primacy of peter and the Church. You seem to be having difficulties with Church dogmas, you’re thing on bread = body, wine = blood, suggests you are denying one of them.

Check it out, and remember to call yourself Catholic means to accept the infallible dogmatic teachings of the Church.

God Bless

 

[Eden]

patg:

Since my wife and children were diagnosed with this life-changing and life-threatening disease which makes everything you do radically different, **I’ve noticed that it’s never a big deal to those who are unaffected by it. **

I’m sure you mean well with your “kind” suggestions but please save the arrogance for something you aren’t ignorant of.

Apologies in advance.

We all have our crosses to bear. Some don’t have the easy fixes you are looking for.