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I got the opportunity to rally with Catholics today just on this issues.
I don’t necessarily agree with them on the contraception issue - but I heartily agree that given that contraceptives are so cheap to procure (condoms are $1, and abstinence is free) that there is no reason at all to use government force to make Catholics do something against their conscious.
We allow Quakers to not fight in wars, gay men don’t have to take a female wife, poor people don’t have to pay income taxes, so we can and should make allowances for Catholics to not have to buy a product that in their eyes is killing children.
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Here are my three children, joyous at having the opportunity to help others live their conscious.
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CMatt25
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I may not always appear to
but I do understand. I just seem I think to have this knack to be able to see various sides to things. I suppose a greater issue for me besides the cheap cost is there might be instances where a medical dr might suggest contraception for health matters. And expecting abstinance is not realistic to me even though it is free. So I just believe such coverage should be included. But that’s me and I realize I may be the only such person on this forum to believe that. But I suppose if it’s repealed, then I guess I and others might have our religious liberty in jeopardy. Universal health care coverage is a huge part of my faith. But oh well anyway I hope you enjoyed your rally. You have a nice looking family. And they do appear to have been enjoying themselves. God bless you and yours. Peace.
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Reuben_J
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We would be smashing our heads into a brick wall if we expect to find a Biblical verse that says Peter is the first Pope. Similarly the word Trinity or as the Muslims would use to challenge us, where does it say in the Bible that Jesus says “worship me”? Yet we know that all these were to be found in the Bible though not in the way we (or the Muslims) probably want them to be. And many times we read between the lines and Church Tradition would help us to understand more the context of the Bible.
Mathew 16 notwithstanding, where a specific proclamation is made on Peter on which the Lord will build his Church, and that he is given the Key to the Kingdom of heaven, and that he is given the authority to bind and to loose on earth, John 21 would be more damning as what role Peter has to shoulder in the Church of the Lord.
There Jesus asked Peter three times if he loved Him and being satisfied that he did, he asked Peter to feed his sheep.
What is this sheep? Looking back we know that it is always to be meant for God’s people. God fed his sheep directly through the judges but when the Israelites asked for a King, God gave it to them, beginning with Saul. But the kings failed to care for His sheep, and so He promised that He would take care of the sheep Himself then (Ezekiel 34). That promise was fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
Now, after Jesus’ resurrection and was about to ascend to heaven, God once again gave the sheep under the care of his apostle, in this case, Peter. We know that Jesus will be with us until the end of time, yet he wants a visible head of the Church as his representative on earth.
No matter how we extrapolate this, the fact that coupled with Mathew 16 and the commissioning of Peter to feed the sheep of the Lord, it has to be very significant that this should be assigned to Peter and not to any other apostles. No matter what happened in first century Christianity, whether James headed the church in Jerusalem, we know that Peter must have a specific role to play albeit what Jesus said in the Bible.
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PJM
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****Dear friend in Christ; What you, me or anyone chooses to think IF it does NOT agree with God and His transfured authority of INFALLIBLE teachings on ALL matters of Faith and MORALS, is not relevant.
WRONG is wrong even if some chose to call it “RIGHT by MY OPINION!”:****o
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PJM
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=PRmerger;9918633]If this were Facebook I’d click “Like!”
THANK YOU AND
AMEN!
Hi Ben,
In the Narthex of our parish is a display with information regarding the HHS mandate. Prominent in that display is a news release from the US Council of Catholic Bishops. Think of it: a USCCB document in the Narthex of a Missouri Synod Lurtheran parish!!
If there is a silver lining to the overt attack on religious liberty, it is the way the Spirit has brought our communions together. Thank God.
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CMatt25
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True until you begin to understand not everyone on God’s earth agrees with each other in belief on what God said. On what God meant. On what God speaks. Nor does everyone believe in the earthly authority in which you do. The name of this very subforum shows that. In any case His peace be with you and may God bless you my friend in Christ in your faith beliefs and along your faith journey always.****Dear friend in Christ; What you, me or anyone chooses to think IF it does NOT agree with God and His transfured authority of INFALLIBLE teachings on ALL matters of Faith and MORALS, is not relevant.
WRONG is wrong even if some chose to call it “RIGHT by MY OPINION!”:****o
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benjohnson
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Thank you all the kind words! It truely was my joy and happy duty!
PRmerger… thank you! That video is awesome. PJM ,thank you!
May we follow God in this matter, arm in arm. And may we make a joyous noise! May this period of unity last, and if not, may we part with better understanding and better love. Thank you Father for this opportunity.
PRmerger… thank you! That video is awesome. PJM ,thank you!
Jon, Imagine that! What’s next? If trends continue, perhaps Catholics will be helping us get our confessionals back.Hi Ben,
In the Narthex of our parish is a display with information regarding the HHS mandate. Prominent in that display is a news release from the US Council of Catholic Bishops. Think of it: a USCCB document in the Narthex of a Missouri Synod Lurtheran parish!!
If there is a silver lining to the overt attack on religious liberty, it is the way the Spirit has brought our communions together. Thank God.
Jon
May we follow God in this matter, arm in arm. And may we make a joyous noise! May this period of unity last, and if not, may we part with better understanding and better love. Thank you Father for this opportunity.
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PJM
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So Matt my friend,
Someone doen’t know that Abortion is Murder and against the Fifth Commandment?
And my friend; what “I DO” is express the views of My Catholic Church which I can PROVE biblcally and historically is also Christ Onr Church, One Faith and one God MANDATE.
THIS IS AFTER THE RESSUTRECTION AND THE DEATH OF JUDAS; CHRIST APPEARS TO THE 11 APOSTLES AND COMMANDS THEM ALONE…
**Matt 28:16,18-20 “**And the eleven disciples[REMAINING APOSTLES] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
tHERE’S MUCH MORE EVIDENCE THAN ONLY THIS; BUT THIS IS CONCISE AND PRECISE TO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM TODAYS CC.
God Bless, my froend,
Pat /PJM
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hn160
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That would be a blessing to get the confessionals back in our churches. This is what happens when Lutherans don’t want to appear too Roman Catholic because of criticism by so called evangelicals and by pietism.Thank you all the kind words! It truely was my joy and happy duty!
PRmerger… thank you! That video is awesome. PJM ,thank you!
Jon, Imagine that! What’s next? If trends continue, perhaps Catholics will be helping us get our confessionals back.
May we follow God in this matter, arm in arm. And may we make a joyous noise! May this period of unity last, and if not, may we part with better understanding and better love. Thank you Father for this opportunity.
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CMatt25
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Pat, I know you believe and think you can prove it. But you can’t without first placing faith in a Creator. Faith in the NT story of Christ. Faith in the Catholic Church’s interpretation of Herself, of Scripture, of what constitutes His Church. Faith in the ECFs and in the Catholic Church’s interpretation of their writings. You have faith Jesus has never needed to reform His Church along the way so the gates do not prevail. That’s a lot of faith steps before one gets anywhere near what one can even begin to believe is “proof”. Faith and belief can not be proven. That’s why it is called faith and is what people of faith walk by. Not by sight. If it could so easily be proven as you believe, there are an awfully lot of folks, some even right here on CAF who you have not convinced. I understand though you have faith in all of the above and thus you believe you know. I shall leave it go at that and peace and blessings always as you travel along your lifelong faith walk with Him. May God continue to always bless you my friend in Christ.So Matt my friend,
Someone doen’t know that Abortion is Murder and against the Fifth Commandment?
And my friend; what “I DO” is express the views of My Catholic Church which I can PROVE biblcally and historically is also Christ Onr Church, One Faith and one God MANDATE.
THIS IS AFTER THE RESSUTRECTION AND THE DEATH OF JUDAS; CHRIST APPEARS TO THE 11 APOSTLES AND COMMANDS THEM ALONE…
**Matt 28:16,18-20 “**And the eleven disciples[REMAINING APOSTLES] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
tHERE’S MUCH MORE EVIDENCE THAN ONLY THIS; BUT THIS IS CONCISE AND PRECISE TO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM TODAYS CC.
God Bless, my froend,
Pat /PJM
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Reuben_J
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The Catholic Church in itself is pretty much reformed today. Thank you.
…and by the Reformed.
Jon
(Just a banter, but in good spirit.
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AdamW
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A few questionable practices in local parishesDear freinds in Christ;
Share with us please “what your personal reoadblock is.”
What’s preventing you from considering Catholism?
(although that’s the sort of thing that can change with time), and some of the same questions about universal primacy that have been expressed so eloquently already.
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choliks
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I don’t come from a Protestant tradition, but I believe the biggest stumbling (or road-) block is not Mary, nor the Doctrines and Dogmas of the Church, but the SELF.
Following Christ completely in and into His Church requires self-gift, which all of us fail to do. Even for us who already belong in the Catholic church struggle with this, and it’s even more intense.
Following Christ completely in and into His Church requires self-gift, which all of us fail to do. Even for us who already belong in the Catholic church struggle with this, and it’s even more intense.
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PJM
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Hi Matt,
If I understand you correctly??? What the Bible says either: 1. does not matter 2. is wrong???
My friend, I strongly disagree with both positions. Without the Bible [which has been used effectively now for some 2,000 years] one could not learn What God wants, Expects and Commands.
My “faith” [in your defination of faith], results from Accepting what my God Teaches and commands. God is Perfect or he cannot be God. Fromhere one must accept what he taught and commanded is also PERFECT:thumbsup:
God Bless,
Pat
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