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Vicky, can you back up that allegation?
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3393435#post3393435Vicky, can you back up that allegation?
It’s post #34 in case it doesn’t take you there directly. I think it will though.
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AgnosTheist
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how do you explain this:
you are becoming less and less consistent, Sister Amy.
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What do you think?
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AgnosTheist
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For me its crystal clear that you called America a vulgar country.
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Sister_Amy
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That’s what it looks like, after being told I wasn’t welcome in the country of my birth, I argued that people would seek solace in the desert for a very good reason.
So it seems I am mistaken. My apologies.
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AgnosTheist
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And you only justified Vicky’s unwelcome for you with that ungrateful reference to your country of origin.
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rpp
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Which explains why Sister Amy is on so many members’ “Ignore” list.And you only justified Vicky’s unwelcome for you with that ungrateful reference to your country of origin.
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I was wrong, I apparently forgot I had ever said that.
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AgnosTheist
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nobody’s perfect.
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ronyodish
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"If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you. “I will not leave you desolate; I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but you will see me; because I live, you will live also. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” (John 14:15-21).
Sister Amy, do you love Him enough to believe His words?
Yes, He loves me. He lives in me, and I live in Him. We are intimate in the Holy Eucharist, where He gives me Himself and I give Him myself.
He loves me so much that He came down for me, sought me, and came to me in what I know best, my human nature. The King of the Ages humbled Himself, taking on the form of a servant to be with me His servant.
He sacrificed Himself for me, because love is self-sacrifice; love is the giving of one’s self to another. He loves me so much that by His resurrection and ascension, He will raise me up and draw me up to Himself for eternal life.
By His grace, I will choose to remain in love with Him forever.
God bless you
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What commandments, I might ask:
Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.
Matthew 34-38. Love the Lord, My God, yes I do. Not his servant, but the Lord my God.
Does he love you more than God loves you? Who created you and nurtured you?
Do you love Jesus more, or the Father more?
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Sister Amy,
You told me in the previous post that you loved Jesus, but now you are backing down with the statement “Not his servant”. Why? Why would not want to love the Son of the Father, who was sent for you and me? He certainly loves you, so much so, that He came seeking you.
“Let not your hearts be troubled; believe in God, believe also in me” (John 14:1). “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).
“Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). This, St. Thomas said after he touched the wounds of the Resurrected Christ with his finger, the very finger that is in portion incorruptible to this day as a relic in India.
He is the Love of the Father for me! God is Love, and Love took on Flesh for us. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son” (John 3:16). There is no division between His love and the love of the Father for us, for God’s love is One.
The Father created me by His Word, and nurtures me by His Holy Spirit.
I love the Undivided Holy Trinity, One Eternal God more than anything. There is no separation in the Love of God for us, and so there is no separation in my love for the One Triune God.
God bless,
Rony
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Jesus said to love GOD with all your heart and mind and soul.
If all your heart and mind and soul is loving God, what is left to love Jesus with? Or your parents or anyone else, really.
Absolute love reserved for divinity–it is for divinity, for the One, the Pure, the Ruler of All.
I love Muhammad and I love Jesus and all the Messengers of God, but not in the same way I love God. Do you love men equal to your love of God?
I don’t ask them for help, because they cannot help me against God. So I only ask God for help. And for protection. And for forgiveness.
Allāh – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursī extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
If all your heart and mind and soul is loving God, what is left to love Jesus with? Or your parents or anyone else, really.
Absolute love reserved for divinity–it is for divinity, for the One, the Pure, the Ruler of All.
I love Muhammad and I love Jesus and all the Messengers of God, but not in the same way I love God. Do you love men equal to your love of God?
I don’t ask them for help, because they cannot help me against God. So I only ask God for help. And for protection. And for forgiveness.
Allāh – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursī extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
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Yes, I love God, for the Son of the Father is the Word of the Father for us, and the Incarnate Word teaches us the love of God.
Jesus is Emmanuael, God with us, and so loving Jesus is loving the Father and the Holy Spirit as One God.
"Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, `Show us the Father’? (John 14:8-9)
Mankind is created in the image and likeness of God, and become the adopted children of God in baptism, temples of the Holy Spirit. When we love our neighbors, we the love the God who lives in them.
“If any one says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen” (1John 4:20)
Jesus is One Person, the Son of the Father, in Divine and Human Natures, fully God and fully Man. By loving Jesus, we love Him as who He is, the Son sent for us. It is the will of the Father that we love His Son, for the Son is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
The two Greatest commandments is to love God, and to love one’s neighbor. Jesus Christ is the mediator between the Father and men, fully Divine and fully Human. He is not a mere man that we love above God. He is God as Man, never loosing His Divinity in the assumption of His Humanity. We love Jesus, because He is the Father’s Love for Mankind.
All prayers go to the Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit, whatever the person’s religion may be. When you pray to God, it is the One Triune God who hears you. The Saints in heaven, who are mere men, pray to the Triune God for us by His permission.
Is He Love? Do you believe that God personally loves you with Himself? Do you believe that His Word to you is love? Do you believe that He animates you with the Holy Spirit of love? Is He in you, and you in Him?
God bless,
Rony
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Something good in America something is bad also. I am in America i think Vulgurity is here in the top, no doubt. Where as Holy Spirit comes into the people which everyone suggest to Sam. Well i know some mentally case people they right letters to God and through it under their beds. Remember everyone is not a messenger from Allah/God. You guyz do not know who is Holy Spirit. Let me tell you few All prophets pbut, in women Mary(Murrium)(R.A), all angels and some ordnary people but they cannot have powered to right with there on point of view and add in holy books any thing except which is revealed on Messengers or Prophets. Trinity makes no sense thats all i wanna say. Where is Jesus pbuh original gospel which he has it with the help of 12 disciples. Answer me with your oath of jesus that what ever your bible is right now is exactly same which is in jesus hands. Anyone wanna take Oath of Jesus. I will take Oath of Allah/God that Quran is never changed it is exactly what comes from Allah/God by Angel Jibreel to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
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The newest Saint in Heaven, if not yet in the church, Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho, is praying for Sam_777 even as we debate! As the Archbishop’s life had a loving purpose, so does his death have a loving and eternal purpose! Archbishop Rahho, pray for us. Amen! Alleluia!Sister Amy,
Insha’Allah, those Muslims of the great Arab nation will be converted to Christianity by God. Then, this great nation will be *fully *great in God!
Ya Rabb al Maseeh, Isma’na!
God bless,
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No problem with that, not at all. But your sister denied she ever said that (she even bold and the magnified the word ever!) Only when it wass pointed out to her, her own very post, that she admitted saying it and apologized.
I think crediblity is something important here in the forum if we want to be taken seriously by other posters.
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Part 6/7:
Fellow Muslims, some of you would say how Islam survived more than 1400 years till now, simply I would say, Islam survived for the same reasons Hinduism & Buddhism and other pagan religions survived so far, those are closed societies, don’t accept changes, grown up on their ancestors religions, Islam spread by the sword (we cannot deny that, its in our Quran & Hadith), furthermore, some Muslims might argue that Islamic population have grown as the fastest religion on earth, I say to them, yes indeed you are right, Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth simply because we allow polygamist marriage in addition to our unlimited right-hand-posses (concubine/bought) women which can go up to hundreds, that is simply where all Islamic population came from, I came across some people here in Saudi Arabia whom married more than 58 times, and giving marriage to 8 year girls.
We Muslims honestly should ask ourselves these questions:
Revelation 16:13:
“Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.”
Revelation 19:20:
“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image”
Revelation 20:10:
“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Note that the above three paragraphs are saying “prophet” “singular”, now ask yourself these questions, who is the most famous prophet who came after that!, is he Muhammad!, what is the mark of the beast!, is it the crescent moon sign!, please Muslims let us open our eyes.
Fellow Muslims, some of you would say how Islam survived more than 1400 years till now, simply I would say, Islam survived for the same reasons Hinduism & Buddhism and other pagan religions survived so far, those are closed societies, don’t accept changes, grown up on their ancestors religions, Islam spread by the sword (we cannot deny that, its in our Quran & Hadith), furthermore, some Muslims might argue that Islamic population have grown as the fastest religion on earth, I say to them, yes indeed you are right, Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth simply because we allow polygamist marriage in addition to our unlimited right-hand-posses (concubine/bought) women which can go up to hundreds, that is simply where all Islamic population came from, I came across some people here in Saudi Arabia whom married more than 58 times, and giving marriage to 8 year girls.
We Muslims honestly should ask ourselves these questions:
- How come we claim that the Bible has been altered, where is our proof for that!, the OT was written back to around 1500BC-200BC, and Jesus started his salvation mission in 30AD, if the OT had been altered, then Jesus would have told so (remember Genesis section is the first chapter in the OT, which points out that the God’s covenant with Isaac and not with Ishmael).
- Why would the Most High God send us someone from his spirit!, if God wanted a normal prophet on earth, then God could have sent a prophet from a normal father and mother like John
the Baptist to do the job (remember that both John the Baptist & Jesus came in the same period, shouldn’t John the Baptist be enough to do normal prophet tasks!). - Why Jesus did not marry, shouldn’t that be a sign that he is not from this world!
- Why Jesus did not sin, shouldn’t that also be a sign of perfection, which is only applies to the Most High God, there is no prophet who haven’t sinned (even Muhammad have sinned a lot)!
- Why we do not allow the Bible in our Islamic countries, why we are afraid of the Bible, in other words, who flees from the other side, the angels or the devils!
- Why we block Christianity sites on the Internet in our Islamic countries and particularly in Saudi Arabia!
- Why we don’t allow Churches to be built in Saudi Arabia!
- How come we discard that Jesus told in the Bible (before more than 600 years of Islam) that there will be false prophets to come after him, shouldn’t Muhammad be one of those false prophets!
- Could Evil instead of Gabriel have come to Muhammad and we are now worshiping the devil!, look at the contradictions above, honestly which religion to you think is more heavenly!
- Do we really love Allah or we are afraid of him and we just want to do the tasks assigned to us on daily basis without emotions just to escape his anger!
Revelation 16:13:
“Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.”
Revelation 19:20:
“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image”
Revelation 20:10:
“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Note that the above three paragraphs are saying “prophet” “singular”, now ask yourself these questions, who is the most famous prophet who came after that!, is he Muhammad!, what is the mark of the beast!, is it the crescent moon sign!, please Muslims let us open our eyes.
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