FRONTLINE Raises Serious Questions About Jamal Khashoggi’s Murder in Contentious Interviews

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Saudi officials maintain that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had no prior knowledge of the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

But in powerful and occasionally contentious new interviews, FRONTLINE correspondent Martin Smith raises serious questions about how Khashoggi’s murder in October 2018 could have been, as they have insisted, a “rogue operation.” In the FRONTLINE documentary The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Smith presses high-ranking Saudi official Adel al-Jubeir about how they could come to such a conclusion while the murder is still being investigated.

“You’ve reached a conclusion that this was a rogue operation before the investigation is complete,” Smith tells Jubeir, who is now the minister of state for foreign affairs.
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Yes, this is a grave matter. Khashoggi, US resident (not citizen) was murdered, the murder looks horrendous. In turn, a lot of our allies, probably do bad things, Egypt and so on. We have had a good relationship with the Saudis since 1948; and unfortunately, we do likely put up with a country with a poor human rights record.

And how about China? Big trade partner but with an atrocious human rights record.
 
I mean no disrespect,but USA has done human crimes too like water boarding and Guantánamo bay and the extremely depraved and twisted things done at Abu Ghraib-even sexually abusing the prisoners.

Even my own country has issues in the sense that it does not treat refugees with compassion and dignity and tries to dehumanize them with “offshore processing” etc.

It is hard to point finger towards country like China when none of our countries hands are clean.

To me it’s all about the money.
Ie:if a US resident Journalist was killed in Iran with suspicion of government involvement,I think the response by the US would have been very different.
 
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In turn, a lot of our allies, probably do bad things,
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It is important for the US to apply steady influence to advance the cause of human rights in the internal affairs of other countries. When other countries violate the rights of people under our jurisdiction - our citizens and residents - we need to be much more active. These attacks on our people are attacks on the US.
 
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I mean no disrespect,but USA has done human crimes too like water boarding and Guantánamo bay and the extremely depraved and twisted things done at Abu Ghraib-even sexually abusing the prisoners.

Even my own country has issues in the sense that it does not treat refugees with compassion and dignity and tries to dehumanize them with “offshore processing” etc.

It is hard to point finger towards country like China when none of our countries hands are clean.

To me it’s all about the money.
Ie:if a US resident Journalist was killed in Iran with suspicion of government involvement,I think the response by the US would have been very different.
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So, Australia can comment on this too. Do they not buy any Saudi Arabian oil and gas? You all are a lot closer.

Again, if we are going this route, Khashoggi apparently has sad things about Israel, apprently has supported the Muslim Brotherhood (more or less, the sworn enemy of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates). What happened to Khashoggi is unacceptable but I’d have to think he was no angel.

The US receives practically no oil and gas from Saudi Arabia. Yet, that whole area is where a lot of the world’s oil and gas comes from, people don’t act too morally because France, Italy, the world will suffer.

China and India get large amounts of their oil and gas from KSA.

Also, if the US stiffs Saudi Arabia, Russia will gladly make them an ally.

The US has basically had a working relationship with Saudi Arabia since 1948.

In the USA, sometimes, foreign tourists get killed, they got killed at that tragedy at the El Paso Walmart, however, countries reactions against the USA will be limited.
 
The Crown Prince is reportedly a big reformer, dangerous radical teachings in the past, have basically emanated from Saudi Arabia, Salafism and Wahabism, that’s a topic in itself. Perhaps, the Crown Prince MbS is trying to change things over there.

Saudi Arabia just opened up their country to tourism, I think it is said 41 countries, women do not have to cover their faces if they are tourists.

We do not live in a perfect world.

Brazil, Philippines, Indonesia, truly, if morals dictated how we treat foreign relations, that would be amazing, let alone, China and their record.
 
One would hope that the murder and dismemberment of Khashoggi is not being justified.

Foreign tourists being shot at by a criminal is tragic.

I don’t think though, that they get strangled and dismembered at our consulates.
 
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Even my own country has issues in the sense that it does not treat refugees with compassion and dignity and tries to dehumanize them with “offshore processing” etc.
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i don’t know the process, so please explain what you mean by offshore processing. why do you find it offensive?
 
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Do they not buy any Saudi Arabian oil and gas? You all are a lot closer.
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I didn’t know that USA receives no oil from KSA.
90% of Australia’s oil is imported from KSA and if Iran blocks the water passage,we will all likely be riding bikes here after not too long as we don’t have much stored on OZ soil😃.

Australia can make mention of Khassogis death but then KSA will just respond with “look in your own backyard”.

I think Australia government often walks a fine line of condemning human rights crimes with also not overstepping their boundary into the sovereignty of another country and how they run it.

For example,if an Australian citizen is unfairly held in China with trumped up charges for political reasons the Australian government will condemn it and try to help but often won’t go much further than that.

For all of Prince Salmans alleged involvement with Khassogis death,I think even if he hypothetically was removed the other options would be worse.
 
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The current Australian government has a “stop the boats” policy.
It means that because all of our refugees come by boat,the Government wants to send a message to them and people smugglers that they will never see Australian soil so they are all “processed” offshore of Australia in places like Naru or Manus Island.

While I accept that it is not feasible for all refugees to be able to live in Australia,I don’t accept this method as it depersonalizes the refugees and treats them as “things” rather than numbers and there is no transparency regarding how they are being treated or concern for their mental health etc.
There is no compassion involved.

It’s s bit like out of sight,out of mind.
 
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That’s a great thoughtful response and thanks for the time to write that out.
Maybe I should say the USA is at a point where we don’t need Saudi oil, surely we get it still.

What I understand though, is we still get some chemicals, by-products from Saudi Arabia to use in manufacturing. I apologize, I may be wrong in saying we get none of their oil but what I meant, is we are at a point, where we might be able to do without it.
 
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It’s s bit like out of sight,out of mind.
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it also can stop the spread of disease etc. there is good and bad to everything. it depends on how you look at it. look at the states and the spread of diseases that were once under control.

what is wrong with stopping smugglers? why should the idea of applying for asylum at an island stop anyone from coming who has legitimate reason to come? yes it would stop those who are trying to game the system, but shouldn’t they be stopped so the truly needy get in? there are benefits to this system.

how does it depersonalize them? why would they be treat different on the mainland? aren’t you condemning the islands?

isn’t there any oversight?
 
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