Fruit of the Spirit

[SSTeacher]

In the Douay–Rheims Bible, Galatians 5:22–23 is translated thus:

But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law.

But the New American Bible on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website renders Galatians 5:22–23 somewhat differently:

In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

I was wondering whether contemporary Catholics are taught that the fruit of the Spirit is twelve–fold or nine–fold?

Curiously,
Mick

 

[NotWorthy]

Thomas Aquinas speaks of the 12 fruits of the Spirit.

As explained on Catholics Answers:

Because “grace builds upon nature” (ST I/I.2.3), the seven gifts work synergistically with the seven virtues and also with the twelve fruits of the Spirit and the eight beatitudes. The emergence of the gifts is fostered by the practice of the virtues, which in turn are perfected by the exercise of the gifts. The proper exercise of the gifts, in turn, produce the fruits of the Spirit in the life of the Christian: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, modesty, self-control, and chastity (Gal. 5:22–23). The goal of this cooperation among virtues, gifts, and fruits is the attainment of the eight-fold state of beatitude described by Christ in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5:3–10).

 

[Hyacinth_II]

In the Douay–Rheims Bible, Galatians 5:22–23 is translated thus:

But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law.

But the New American Bible on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website renders Galatians 5:22–23 somewhat differently:

In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

I was wondering whether contemporary Catholics are taught that the fruit of the Spirit is twelve–fold or nine–fold?

Curiously,
Mick

I agree with you…the new translation has much to be desired. Since I do not speak either Greek nor Hebrew…which are the languages of the original texts…I don’t know. But I know that St. Thomas Aquinas (doctor of the church) DID speak those languages. So, what was said in the previous post is well worth considering.

I like to keep the D-R version close…and often read from it instead. I think it is good to do so.

 

[SSTeacher]

Thomas Aquinas speaks of the 12 fruits of the Spirit.

As explained on Catholics Answers:

Because "grace builds upon nature

Thanks for providing this information. But do you know whether contemporary Catholics are taught that the fruit of the Spirit is twelve–fold or nine–fold?

Respectfully,
Mick

 

[SSTeacher]

SSTeacher;5389591:

In the Douay–Rheims Bible

, Galatians 5:22–23 is translated thus:

But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law.

But the New American Bible on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website renders Galatians 5:22–23 somewhat differently:

In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

I was wondering whether contemporary Catholics are taught that the fruit of the Spirit is twelve–fold or nine–fold?

Curiously,
Mick
:thumbsup:I agree with you…the new translation has much to be desired. Since I do not speak either Greek nor Hebrew…which are the languages of the original texts…I don’t know. But I know that St. Thomas Aquinas (doctor of the church) DID speak those languages. So, what was said in the previous post is well worth considering.

I like to keep the D-R version close…and often read from it instead. I think it is good to do so.

I think you’ve maybe misunderstood me. I’m not casting aspersions on any particular version of the Bible. The Catholic Church can use whichever version it sees fit. I’m interested in finding out what is currently taught to Catholic children and to adults who convert to Catholicism when they are catechized. Are they taught that the fruit of the Spirit is twelve–fold or they taught that the fruit of the Spirit is nine–fold?

Cordially,
Mick

 

[Hyacinth_II]

Thanks for providing this information. But do you know whether contemporary Catholics are taught that the fruit of the Spirit is twelve–fold or nine–fold?

Respectfully,
Mick

OK in my Catechism…is the same modern text quote…so I guess the answer is 9. But the larger question is this…do the 9 words encompass the same meanings as the 12? I am not a linguist…nor have I read the original texts since I neither speak Hebrew nor Greek…so…that is what I am getting at…and what is important is that the meaning is the same…not the number.

I hope that helps. Perhaps someone else will know more.

 

[SSTeacher]

OK in my Catechism…is the same modern text quote…so I guess the answer is 9. But the larger question is this…do the 9 words encompass the same meanings as the 12? I am not a linguist…nor have I read the original texts since I neither speak Hebrew nor Greek…so…that is what I am getting at…and what is important is that the meaning is the same…not the number.

I hope that helps. Perhaps someone else will know more.

It’s jolly decent of you to make an educated guess. May I ask what Catechism you consulted in order to draw your inference? I tried to find the answer in the Catechism of the Catholic Church before I put up the Original Post but if it’s in there I missed it.

Appreciatively,
Mick

 

[NotWorthy]

OK, here we go. They can be found in paragraph 1832 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can rest assured - there are 12.

III. The Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit

1830 The moral life of Christians is sustained by the gifts of the Holy Spirit. These are permanent dispositions which make man docile in following the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

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”)") The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. They belong in their fullness to Christ, Son of David.109 They complete and perfect the virtues of those who receive them. They make the faithful docile in readily obeying divine inspirations.

Let your good spirit lead me on a level path.110

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God . . . If children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ.111
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”)") The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity."112

 

[SSTeacher]

OK, here we go. They can be found in paragraph 1832 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can rest assured - there are 12.

Many thanks. I see now that the reason it didn’t come up for me was because my Evangelical formation has led me always to refer to the “fruit of the Spirit” (singular) whereas Catholics evidently talk of the "fruits of the Spirit (plural). If I’d typed in that extra consonant I need not have posted at all.

I appreciate your going to the trouble of helping me discover the answer, though. May God bless you always.

Gratefully,
Mick

 

[NotWorthy]

Many thanks. I see now that the reason it didn’t come up for me was because my Evangelical formation has led me always to refer to the “fruit of the Spirit” (singular) whereas Catholics evidently talk of the "fruits of the Spirit (plural). If I’d typed in that extra consonant I need not have posted at all.

I appreciate your going to the trouble of helping me discover the answer, though. May God bless you always.

Gratefully,
Mick

And to you, too, my brother!

 

[Hyacinth_II]

It’s jolly decent of you to make an educated guess. May I ask what Catechism you consulted in order to draw your inference? I tried to find the answer in the Catechism of the Catholic Church before I put up the Original Post but if it’s in there I missed it.

Appreciatively,
Mick

I see that someone has finally found the answer for both of us…they must have a newer catechism or something. Mine is the same title…copyright 1992. On p.194, #736 is the same quote you mentioned and I could not find anything else!!

 

[SSTeacher]

I see that someone has finally found the answer for both of us…they must have a newer catechism or something. Mine is the same title…copyright 1992. On p.194, #736 is the same quote you mentioned and I could not find anything else!!

Yes, it’s all plain sailing now. Thanks for your help.

Gratefully,
Mick

 

[ejb21]

I see that someone has finally found the answer for both of us…they must have a newer catechism or something. Mine is the same title…copyright 1992. On p.194, #736 is the same quote you mentioned and I could not find anything else!!

#736 of the CCC refers you to #1832. The footnote for #1832 refers to Gal.5:22-23 (Vulg.).

 

[NotWorthy]

I see that someone has finally found the answer for both of us…they must have a newer catechism or something. Mine is the same title…copyright 1992. On p.194, #736 is the same quote you mentioned and I could not find anything else!!

I checked it on-line at the USCCB web-site.